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Published: 2016-06-11 05:45:02 +0000 UTC; Views: 2880; Favourites: 13; Downloads: 5
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Got a nice, juicy update for you here today. I've mentioned in the comment section before that I'm trying my best to present everyone on both sides of the conflict as sympathetically as possible, which is why we're going the Stormcloak route of having Ulfric be the one who sends Balgruuf the axe (instead of vice versa). It's not especially relevant, since Ulfric still winds up invading a neutral Hold without provocation (other than the flimsy Axe of +5 Friendship excuse), but it's better than the Imperial version where Balgruuf asks for peace and is answered with "lol I'm already preparing to sack your city
"I know that in-game, Ufric never says outright that Skyrim belongs to him - or, indeed, to the Nords. But there is something similar that pops up during an Imperial-aligned player's attack on Windhem:
Ulfric: "I'll never surrender Skyrim into the hands of a corrupt and dying Empire."
Rikke: "Skyrim doesn't belong to you, Ulfric."
Ulfric: "No... But I belong to her."
It'd be pretty darn easy for Ulfric to conflate the notions of "I-belong-toS-kyrim-belongs-to-me-etc," especially given his jockeying for position of High King and his platform as a champion of Skyrim-centric nationalism.
Balgruuf's discussion with Proventus and Irileth is straight from the game, though trimmed down for the sake of space.
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(Yeah, this version of Ulfric is entirely too up his own rear... it's a shame really. Makes me think of a character I actually rather like... but has such a single-minded view, so clouded by a mixture of pride, fear, and the desire to protect his people, that he practically played into enemy hands. Heck, he doesn't even realize that his actions were not only accounted for, but based as a hinge point in THEIR plan because they KNEW he was going to do it! And wanted him to! ... ... 'Ahem'. Unrelated rambling aside... yeah, this version of Ulfric blinds himself easily.)
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"Yeah, this version of Ulfric is entirely too up his own rear..."
And bless you, you're just at Part 8. Wait till you get to Part 30.
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My TvTropes sense is tingling. I feel like a Batman Gambit is at play here. XD
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To the Stormcloakmobile!
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I was waiting for the third-time's-all hrm from Eorlund, maybe when he'd finished his armour for Ulfric and someone was fawning over it. "Amazing! This has to be your best work yet, Gray-Mane!" "Hrm."
And clearly nobody taught Erik how to pass someone a pair of scissors, or he'd know to present the axe hilt-first. *disapproving frown*
Hoo man, things are warming up now...and I do not look forward to hearing what Aela's got to say about all this. Not at all...*gazes at NEXT imploringly*
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Do they even have scissors in Tamriel? I guess they must, or tailoring would be incredibly difficult. Eh, no matter. That poor lad wouldn't have known in either case.
Warming up indeed!
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I've got a bad feeling about that evil emoji...
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Wow, that is truly an interesting take on how Ulfric sees the Dragonborn. Making citizens reliant upon him instead of teaching them to take care of their own problems. Once again, very impressed with the writing!
Poor Shelob. And poor Erik, too. He's so young and naive!
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Thanks! I'm rather proud of that speech, myself.
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I can't wait to see the armour!
Gotta say I can totally see Erik and Shelob fighting in a life or death struggle surrounded by the bodies of fallen comrades in a burning city.
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Next time, my friend. Next time.
Funny you should mention that...
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It's all really nice and stuff, but if Shelob's the Harbringer, would Eorlund stand against him so eagerly?
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1) he's been exposed as a werewolf
2) Eorlund's brother is the staunchest Stormcloak supporter in Whiterun, and Eorlund himself expresses sympathy toward the rebel cause.
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1) I don't think that'd be a great surprise for the Companions' smith (ok, they could have not exactly told him, but I think he could be surmising something anyway)
2) I also don't think he'd turn his back on a friend so easily (I don't know what are his relations with Shelob specifically, but generally Eorlunds seem to be quite friendly towards the Dragonborns/Harbringers). If I were him I'd be convinced by simply asking to support the Stormcloaks in general (by crafting that armor without knowing its purpose), while argumenting it with the need to kill my friend/boss/savior of Nirn would rather discourage me to do it.
So, we've started this comment war after all.
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1) The only ones who know the secret of the Circle are the Circle members themselves.
2) Fear does funny things to people's priorities. But we'll get into that as the series progresses. No spoilers for you.
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1) Officially, yes. But during the scene when Eorlund enters the Underforge with Wuuthrad, he seems to know about everything.
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Dammit Irileth, what does- actually he pays you for precisely that, never mind.
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No one can say she isn't enthusiastic about her job.
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Eorlund? Wearing a shirt? Preposterous! You cannot bind such manliness with mere wool and cloth!
I bet Ulfric's going to be bringing two swords with his new armor: steel for men, and silver for monsters. Or some crap like that I dunno I just wanted to make a Witcher reference.
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After that glorious artwork of Tullius for that TES card game, he must have wanted to look glorious himself (unless he also has a glorious card in that game).
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You mean Legends? I don't know much about it to be honest. Just that apparently it's like Hearthstone with TES.
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I was a fool to try!
We'll go with "some crap like that."
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Wow, a lot happens in this episode! I'm getting an interesting perspective here. I have only played the Stormcloak storyline, so I'm getting a lot of how the Imperial side sees things here.
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Glad to be of service.
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If Aela doesn't insist on fighting at Shelob's side, I will be greatly surprised. Fighting the Stormcloaks will be nothing compared to arguing with his wife because he loves her.
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Yeah. It's like that old saying, "Hell hath no fury like a woman who's been denied the right to fight rebels at her husband's side."
...I may have paraphrased a little.
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Poor Erik, caught in the middle.
Eh, I dunno, there. 'I belong to Skyrim' connotes service to Skyrim. "Skyrim belongs to me" connotes ownership of Skyrim. If even in the jerky storyline when he's facing death (yeah, Sacking Windhelm, I don't see him getting out of that alive) he says what he's doing is for the betterment of his home, i think you can trust he really believes that.
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I'm no fan of Ulfric, but I agree that this just means what he says: he says that he belongs and serves Skyrim. He could have said "It needs me!" or something of the sort at that moment, but this is as humble as it gets.
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He's in way over his head, that's for sure.
Oh, he definitely believes that what he's doing is for the good of his homeland. It's just a matter of what that actually entails and how he goes about it (especially for the purposes of this story arc).
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I'ma have no fingernails left by the time you're done, am I?
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