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sirenlovesyou In reply to ??? [2018-12-31 02:26:41 +0000 UTC]

yeah okay its 2018 and theres no north occupiers but just Vietnamese but u have fun w that

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Taliesin-of-Tomorrow In reply to sirenlovesyou [2019-01-08 14:22:52 +0000 UTC]

Hurrah, hurrah, for Southern Rights hurrah

Hurrah for the yellow flag

That bears three red stripe.

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bejelewe12 In reply to Yuuki-donno [2016-02-07 06:12:56 +0000 UTC]

pls !! its her opinion !! if you want someone respect you then you need to respect people

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sirenlovesyou In reply to Vietnamfreedom [2012-12-30 03:16:13 +0000 UTC]

you're entitled to your opinion and I am to mine

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Vietnamfreedom In reply to sirenlovesyou [2012-12-30 03:27:26 +0000 UTC]

Flagged as Spam

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sirenlovesyou In reply to Vietnamfreedom [2012-12-30 03:31:06 +0000 UTC]

I'm not going to have an argument with you on a website designed for art. You can believe whatever you want and I will do the same. Have a nice day

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sirenlovesyou In reply to inuchan820 [2011-08-16 00:56:15 +0000 UTC]

Ah the countryside is really pretty. My family lived in Ha Noi but some of our distant relatives are in the country so I get to visit it sometime. ^^ Thank you

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inuchan820 In reply to sirenlovesyou [2011-08-22 00:49:35 +0000 UTC]

thats nice!! i love in An Giang, well my family does anyway xDD

it was really peaceful and at the same time lively xDD

i got to go to Saigon! that was amazing!! :3

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lilylilyburningnight In reply to inuchan820 [2013-08-22 12:52:09 +0000 UTC]

So does my family! We are currently in An Giang right now!

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PangoPango1 In reply to gambitx92 [2011-04-18 19:29:04 +0000 UTC]

What are talking about? That is Vietnam's flag. o3o

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sirenlovesyou In reply to gambitx92 [2011-03-11 01:05:45 +0000 UTC]

Wrong person to comment on buddy

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crimsonboss In reply to tru0001 [2012-10-29 00:10:38 +0000 UTC]

Totally agree with you There's actually millions ;D who feel sad and hurt by looking at the red flag with the star,as there's millions of Vietnamese living outside of Vietnam.

A flag is supposed to be the symbol of unity, independence and pride of a country, but I can't see much of that in the ideals of the people currently governing the country and it's laws. I've even come to know a lot of courageous people living in Vietnam who doesn't condone of the current government and oppose the government head on. Many of those who oppose them grew up thinking that the government were normal, because the government chose what is allowed and not allowed to teach in school or broadcast on the news. But when they really thought about the wrong things that kept happening in the country, they understood that the way the country is governed isn't right. Even though that always knew deep down there was something wrong from the start, it was still hard for them to accept it, since it meant they also had to accept that the country they loved and government they trusted had let them down. And many had family, friends or were even themselves a part of the government, when they realized that the government can't continue like this if they want Vietnam to prosper. I hope many people will follow these peoples footstep to help the country and stand up against the current government. For those who still believe in the government in Vietnam, I know you understand deep down that there is something wrong with the current way Vietnam is governed. I know that abandoning something you've believed in for so long is difficult, but I hope you still try. Look at the poverty there (Does the government really help?). Look at the police who are supposed to protect the people and uphold justice, instead taking bribes and abusing their power. Look at the government sending people to beat and threaten peoples family, because they protest against the government taking their land. Look at how the government sells our precious land to China, but keep the money for themselves. Look at how the government have a lot of money and use it to play around and live luxuriuosly, while the people starve. Is it fair that they can arrest you just for holding the old flag of Vietnam, or for speaking up about not liking the way they govern? Is this really freedom and Independence. Do you want Vietnam to continue in this direction. Open up your eyes and change people!

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bejelewe12 In reply to crimsonboss [2016-02-07 06:15:33 +0000 UTC]

please ! it was 40 years ago ! Vietnam is one now !! 

and btw i dont think a lot of ppl gonna read your comment becuz its too long

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zeraful In reply to tru0001 [2011-06-02 17:22:30 +0000 UTC]

And you also offend millions of people suffered from the war wages by the ones holding the three-stripes flag. Please do your homework before telling other to do their's (And I mean "homework", not something that's passed from the old generations).

It's kinda lame, when the war was costly to both sides, but ONLY the "freedom" side think they're are the only one DESERVE to be whine about it huh?

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sirenlovesyou In reply to tru0001 [2011-01-25 03:21:02 +0000 UTC]

I know what the flag stand for. I'm not stupid, thank you.

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sirenlovesyou In reply to dsnoir [2010-09-01 20:31:27 +0000 UTC]

Hahaha. Happy early Independence Day!





And of course you can download this

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zeraful In reply to eastercat [2011-06-02 17:19:04 +0000 UTC]

So basically, The United States of America, a country known of it's freedom, are now "doesn't allow" people to FREELY choose of belief? That's mean a person in a "free" country cannot choose to be a communist?

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crimsonboss In reply to zeraful [2012-10-27 09:33:54 +0000 UTC]

Well it's you who should do your homework and check up on the facts before you speak. It's the current Vietnam who doesn't allow anybody to carry a Vietnamese three striped flag, so it's your current communist country who doesn't allow freedom you hypocrite. There's no law in the US that bans anyone from carrying whichever flag they may want, but no one would carry the filthy flag of the corrupted communists, who forced people to join their army by threatening to hurt their family and loved ones against their will.

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zeraful In reply to crimsonboss [2012-10-27 09:53:46 +0000 UTC]

I'm tired of this. All you do is Red Herring. If you're the "righteous" one, then why did the communists won?

Also, you guys set a 50-days campaign against one video store owner for displaying the red flag, assault a writer for carrying a red flag, boycotting a exhibition for portraying "communist" idea, and finally, assaulting a singer for being a "propagandist"

Really, you "yellow-flagger" are pathetic, and the yellow flag just getting it value lowered each and every time you guys wave it. Beside, you really think that it's okay to wave the proof of the US's greatest and most humilliating defeat IN THEIR FACES?

And next time, if you want to argue, don't use clones.

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eastercat In reply to zeraful [2011-06-02 20:01:17 +0000 UTC]

Actually, I don't know the details. I don't even know if it's actually "banned" to have it in the US. Sure it might anger some of your neighbors if they were sensitive about the vietnam war, but I don't think there is an actual law saying that the "yellow star with the red background" flag is banned from view. If you DO find the law somewhere, quote it exactly and cite it cause I'm really interested to see it myself.

and Actually, there are some people who are communist believers in the USA, though they were a minority. America is run by the majority of the people, so that's why it's not not really known that there were communist believers in it.

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zeraful In reply to eastercat [2011-06-03 02:43:44 +0000 UTC]

Well you did say that "Maybe the US won't allow it", not me xD

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eastercat In reply to zeraful [2011-06-03 06:00:39 +0000 UTC]

I was getting that info based off of what the artist said in the comment. So I apologize for saying "Maybe the US won't allow it" without much behind it.

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zeraful In reply to eastercat [2011-06-03 08:56:53 +0000 UTC]

Actually, she's was talking about the event where the entire Vietnamese American in Orange County was protesting against ONE man for having a red flag and displaying a portrait of Ho Chi Minh at his shop

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eastercat In reply to zeraful [2011-06-03 15:36:03 +0000 UTC]

Ok, That's not America (as a whole) that were protesting. That's just the vietnamese community of orange county. I've been to orange county plenty of times and I know there are a lot of vietnam war refugees living there, most coming from south vietnam.

Now imagine the land you lived in for almost your whole life was taken over by another country. Your house was probably burned down and maybe your loved ones were killed. You were able to run away from the war to another country, but you had to start life all over again. Finally overcoming hardships to barely make a living, you see someone yield a flag of the country that made you start your life all over again. Would you be angry?

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zeraful In reply to eastercat [2011-06-04 06:52:49 +0000 UTC]

And would the Vietnamese back home asking the same question about you people? Their families got separated, their right of a united Vietnam was taken, and foreingers are using their own people to fought against them who fought the foreigner?. Not to mention their house was bombarded, their belonging was taken away, their relatives was killed by US soldiers when the South soldiers who supposed to protect them was just standing there doing nothing? WOULD THEY'RE BE ANGRY?

It's kinda sad when the war was costly to both sides, but it's just lame when one side is claiming the right to while about their losses, and their enemy losses (even that's is way bigger than their's) was worthless?

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eastercat In reply to zeraful [2011-06-06 02:42:36 +0000 UTC]

QUOTE FROM YOU : "well most Vietnamese back home consider it's a flag of the traitors" hahaha psh, I wasn't saying that you specifically hate vietnamese refugees. I was saying how if I waved a flag of the former southern vietnam flag around in present day vietnam, I'll probably get protested/arrested/shot by everyone else, not you.

Also the reason why i'm saying the northern and southern is that it's plain easier to say that's what they are. Northern flag = red background yellow star. Southern flag = yellow background, 3 red stripes.

Ok, the thing about freedom, it's a really tricky subject. Let's imagine this am I FREE to shoot someone in the head? obviously no, but WAIT doesn't that take away a freedom?! Freedom, tricky stuff.

In the case about the flag, One person had the freedom to raise a red with a yellow star flag (it's easier to just say Northern) (Freedom of expression) and the people who were protesting had the freedom to protest from him/her to take it down. (Freedom of speech) There! There's your American freedom! AND there's actually 2 of them! they just clashed with each other and there had to be a compromise. And you know all of those organizations you mentioned before? That's freedom of organization!

So don't go saying that america lies by saying it gives freedom, you actually get a lot of freedom, the only thing is that really runs this country is a LOT OF compromise

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zeraful In reply to eastercat [2011-06-13 07:48:42 +0000 UTC]

You just don't get it, do you. Giving someone a flag and a gorvement does not mean they're having a cause. It was simply to consider who's a traitor and who's not. In your civil war, are there any France soldiers fought and die for the Northern states, or any British soldiers fought and die for the South? There's is no Chinese or Russian die for the North, but there's are over 3.000.000 US soldiers fought and 59.000 die for the South. And you called it a Civil War?

And about the flag, I know about the Freedom of Compromise you're saying, what's I was trying to say is there are some people think of freedom (or to be precisely, US freedom) was something they're claimed, and it's their own . And they're used the "right of protesting" in to a ridiculously level. And it not like i was ignorance toward their pain or hate them or anything, it just that I thought "protest against Vietnam" was become more and more of a "social activities", which get lamer and lamer everytime.

And as far as I concern, the US gorvement only giving compromise to them because of 2 things: They vote, and pay taxes xD

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eastercat In reply to zeraful [2011-06-14 04:27:43 +0000 UTC]

A civil war is (and I quote from google) "A war between citizens of the same country." It's just that one side got help from another country, if we're talking about it being a civil war. So yes, it was a civil war. I dunno what you're talking about.

And I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're talking about with the flag anymore. Are you saying that it was all america's fault to have a person put down their vietnamese flag or are you saying that it isnt? Cause that's what i thought we were arguing about.


Oh yeah, just to tell you, America gives it's citizens a whole lot of stuff and all we citizens have to do is pay taxes and vote. Hell, I think I'm getting a good deal.

Oh yeah, you make it seem like I'm white or something. I'm not. I'm a vietnamese born in america. My parents left vietnam when they were teens when the vietnam war happened.

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zeraful In reply to eastercat [2011-07-20 16:07:08 +0000 UTC]

Well, we live in different era, with different ideas. It could get confused sometimes.

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eastercat In reply to zeraful [2011-06-04 20:58:30 +0000 UTC]

If I flew an american flag around vietnam today, would I get protested/arrested/shot at? Maybe, I dunno, i don't live in vietnam.

I understand that war caused stress on both sides.

But dude....most northern vietnamese are in vietnam while the old southern vietnamese are in america.
we're talking about america (or at least the southern vietnamese refugees in america) protesting about waving a northern vietnamese flag around. Get back to the right argument. I was not saying that the northern vietnamese are evil or anything, in fact that analogy I used, is more general to ANY COUNTRY.

If you want to talk about how the vietnam war sucked for everyone, don't talk to me about it cause I don't have much to say about it.

My main argument is that it's not the whole entire country of the USA that won't let a northern Vietnamese flag be shown. It was more of the vietnamese war refugees (most from the south) who protested to take it down.

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zeraful In reply to eastercat [2011-06-04 22:36:04 +0000 UTC]

Like I was already said, the sides who causing tremendous damage to others yet thinking they're should be the only one deserve to be whine. Yet the other's sides, amazingly, doesn't hold a grudge much for the country they're defeated.

And no, you can flew the US flags anywhere you want (even in bathroom), no one would mind. But for the yellow flag, well most Vietnamese back home consider it's a flag of the traitors, and unlike the US, after the war was come in peace and seeking for compassion, those people are just grumbling and moaning about anything involve VN, and they're even cheering when China attacked Vietnam in 1979. So it's easy to forgive US veteran who comeback to visit the old battlefield, friendly for Vietnamese Aboard come back home, no matter what side they are. But for someone just staying in another country, never got the nerves to come back home are now asking them to overthrown something they're trying so hard to protect? Would you go against you own country for someone in Russia asking you to do that?

And what's giving you the thought of "northern vietnamese" are in Vietnam? In 1975 there's 14 millions Vietnamese in the south, and 16 in the north. There's only 1 millions Vietnamese fleeing from the country, and there's a lot of northern and central Vietnamese people.

Back to the main topic: So that mean the VN "war refugees" can fly the yellow flag, can having "no-communist-zone", can protest against anyone come from the home country (a monk, a singer, a businessman, a magazine that's having interview with someone from back home) because they're the "good guys"?. And what about the "war sufferer" at home? What about the people died and injured from clearing mines? What about millions of people suffered from Agent Orange effect that would last several generations? (and amazingly, the "war refugess" was PROTESTING against them too, there's even a council that's trying to proves that the Agent Orange has NO ILL EFFECT toward people)? So their suffering is just shit, because they are the "commie", the "bad guys"

And by your saying, i guess that to you, disbanding the red flag from the eye of the Vietnamese American people was "justice"? So what is left for us people? Where is "justice" for us?

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eastercat In reply to zeraful [2011-06-05 00:14:55 +0000 UTC]

I wasn't throwing the word justice out there. Justice is such a ambiguous word, I hate it.

ALso you keep saying that the southern vietnamese are traitors. The main battle of the vietnam war was between the south and the north, they're both vietnamese, they just chose their own side. One side had one thought of the country and the other had another thought. it's kinda like in america were we have democrats and republicans. They oppose each other's thoughts on how the government should be run, but they're both american, none really being a traitor to their country.

Oh yeah! You kinda answered your question about the flag waving. If I flew a south vietnamese flag in vietnam, people would protest
right? "the sign of traitors." In the US, southern vietnamese immigrants here see the north vietnam flag as "the sign of traitors."

Ok, sorry that I got my number stats wrong on which part of the country fled from the country.

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zeraful In reply to eastercat [2011-06-05 05:11:38 +0000 UTC]

I never say that southern vietnamese are traitors, I just saying the gorvement that display the yellow flag are. What kind of "civil war" are there if one sides got over 600 billions $ of welfare, having half a millions foreigner soldiers fought for them and still called themself "national"?

And here's a thing: Vietnam and America are different countries. It just kinda lame to me when even in America, advertised as a free country where everyone can be whatever they want. Yet some people cannot display the flag that stand for their belief? Sure you can say that people can display the yellow flag in Vietnam because it's "not a free country", but America, the FREEDOM country and some can't display their flag? And you still called yourself FREEDOM? What kind of freedom is that? Please don't tell me that's "free from the idiotic "commie" idea".

And you can stop the "northern, southern" thing. Everyone in Vietnam is a Vietnamese. It that kind of thinking got millions of people killed and the country turned into a huge mess.

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sirenlovesyou In reply to eastercat [2010-07-01 05:25:44 +0000 UTC]

No? It represents the country It doesn't STAND for communism. yes the undertone is that it's unified under communist rule, but it's still a unified country. I do not accept the yellow flag - A - but again. All personal opinion

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eastercat In reply to sirenlovesyou [2010-07-05 03:17:34 +0000 UTC]

I'm not saying that I hate the new flag....

I also did not say it stood for communism, I mean that it represents a country that is communist. So people in the USA are still sensitive about it. The Vietnam war was not a pretty war at all. =.=

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