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So, couldn't you easily blend the storylines and just say that Fara was an old girlfriend? They're together early on, they separate for some reason, Fox becomes leader of Star Fox, and Krystal comes in later. It makes it more realistic (because people tend to have multiple boyfriends/girlfriends in life) and keeps them both in the universe instead of erasing one character entirely.
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"So, couldn't you easily blend the storylines and just say that Fara was an old girlfriend? They're together early on, they separate for some reason, Fox becomes leader of Star Fox, and Krystal comes in later.
That's literally impossible: in the SNES continuity, Fox met Fara when he was in exile from Corneria (Yes, you read right: Fox McCloud was exiled from Corneria). General Pepper summoned his team of outlaw guerrilla fighters back to Corneria because they had few capable pilots left in the war against Andross, so Fox and his team stowed away on a transport that Fara - daughter of the person who designed the Arwing - happened to be on. Fox ended up saving her from some of Andross' soldiers who had taken her hostage. All of this happened before Starfox ever existed. General Pepper organized Starfox afterwards, to explain why Corneria is hiring outlaws.
As you can clearly see, the continuity is WAY too different to reconcile with Starfox 64 and Starfox Adventures. It's better to say that Fara and Krystal live in different universes entirely. If you want proof, you can read the entire comic here: oldgamemags.tumblr.com/post/13…
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That's why I used the word "blend". I wasn't suggesting that they went together perfectly. Otherwise, you'd think they would have done that already. What you're suggesting is that the main timeline should be one or the other, and the remaining timeline should be dismissed as canon. Considering how fragmented this universe already is, you could establish an official timeline that includes both characters so that no one gets left out. You're using the existence of fragmented storylines to justify them being fragmented, when you could just alter the main storyline slightly to reconcile the original ones. I also refer to the last sentence in my comment, which is a good argument for blending them.
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"What you're suggesting is that the main timeline should be one or the other, and the remaining timeline should be dismissed as canon. Considering how fragmented this universe already is, you could establish an official timeline that includes both characters so that no one gets left out.
Not at all: I'm illustrating the concept of a parallel universe. Putting both of these girls into the same universe would do nothing more than atrophy the representation of one to exalt the other... but before I go farther with that, I want to show you something: your bias. Returning to something you said earlier:
"So, couldn't you easily blend the storylines and just say that Fara was an old girlfriend? They're together early on, they separate for some reason, Fox becomes leader of Star Fox, and Krystal comes in later."
What you're doing here is elevating Krystal to a higher importance than Fara by implying that Fara broke up with Fox in the past. The problem with that idea is the fact that you don't know Fara at all, and thus could never write such a thing. You see, Fara is actually much closer to Fox in her own universe than Krystal ever was in hers: the breakup would logically proceed the other way around, with Fox breaking up with Krystal and meeting Fara later.
However, that doesn't work either because Fox himself is totally different in each universe. In essence, Fara and Krystal are in love with two different men who both happen to be named Fox McCloud, in separate universes.
Fara's Fox is decisive regarding the women he loves and everything else, and is a dedicated freedom fighter who cares little for payment so long as oppression gets taken out. Krystal's Fox is rather shy around the ladies and is more of a vengeful mercenary than he is any kind of dedicated hero. The girls themselves have totally different personalities: Fara is a trained pilot and fighter from a prestigious background tied closely to Corneria's military, while Krystal is a telepath from an extinct race of magic people. They aren't even comparable.
"You're using the existence of fragmented storylines to justify them being fragmented, when you could just alter the main storyline slightly to reconcile the original ones. I also refer to the last sentence in my comment, which is a good argument for blending them."
No, it's actually not. You won't really understand why it's not until you understand parallel universes, and Fara herself. To understand Fara Phoenix, and the events that shape her, you must actually look at the other universe. You must read the comic at that link I gave you: until then all you know about Fara is that she's in love with Fox McCloud, and nothing else. You don't know her skill, her parents, her importance to Corneria, the nature of her relationship with Fox, and I can already tell you a biased towards Krystal out of familiarity alone.
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So, basically what you're saying is it can't be done because you don't want it to? Seriously, you're talking about this like it's completely consistent, when in reality the canon is constantly changing. Basically everything you're accusing me of is the same for you and your opinions. There's no good reason why the official storyline can't be a blend of the already existent ones. However, it seems clear that you prefer a fragmented, inconsistent universe. To each their own, I suppose.
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"So, basically what you're saying is it can't be done because you don't want it to? Seriously, you're talking about this like it's completely consistent, when in reality the canon is constantly changing. "
At this point, you're either stupid, or you are deliberately missing my point. You aren't illiterate, so I'll assume it's the latter, for now. The reason you want to "blend" the stories in the first place is because they aren't the same story - nobody sane ever blends two things that are already the same (like a milk-and-milk blend), they blend different things together to get a new thing. And that illustrates my point: the two stories we are discussing here are completely self-consistent - within their respective universes. The moment you try to "blend" them, you must cut out parts of one of them, and those very parts you plan on cutting out are what makes the story whole in the first place.
"Basically everything you're accusing me of is the same for you and your opinions."
I haven't given you one single opinion in this discussion. Rather, you have argued for a defeated point from a position of total ignorance: I'd wager that you haven't even looked at Fara's comic yet, and thus are still totally ignorant of who and what she is, and thus how to write her... but you are intent on changing her character anyway, without even knowing what you're changing.
"There's no good reason why the official storyline can't be a blend of the already existent ones."
Yes there is: see my first paragraph up there. There's every reason NOT to blend them together. For example: what would you do about Fox's time as a political exile and guerilla fighter on Papetoon? What about his Father's connection to the military at Corneria? You would replace both of those with Star Fox 64's far simpler opening narration, thus hamstringing a ton of important character development in your attempt to blend the plots together.
"However, it seems clear that you prefer a fragmented, inconsistent universe. To each their own, I suppose."
You are talking as if the universes are the same, single universe. They aren't: that's why Star Fox 64 is known as a "reboot": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reboot_(… "In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning." which is what Star Fox 64 did. Denying this fact helps no one.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure this all comes back to the word "blend". You're talking about replacing things or changing characters. I'm talking about taking elements from both and forming a complete, consistent storyline. I never said that they are the "same, single universe". I repeat: BLEND. That implies that they are, in fact, separate. The process of BLENDING would, therefore, make them the same, single universe. You're talking about this like it can't be done. How could you possibly combine these two different universes? With a pen and paper. You're defending the universe you prefer and refusing to acknowledge that it is, in fact, possible to combine the storylines. I can't believe we're having a long, drawn-out argument over me saying, "Hey, maybe they should take the best elements of all the versions and make them into one, consistent storyline" and you saying that you shouldn't blend them because, for some reason, you can't maintain the comic storyline while adding things to it. This whole conversation started on the subject of Krystal and Fara. I was suggesting that both characters be fit into one universe, just at different times, so that the pointless conflict over who should exist officially and who shouldn't would end. Your opinion is that is should not be done because you don't want it to change. You'd rather maintain a fragmented universe than establish a new storyline that preserves the comics while also adding more value to the video games. Personally, I'd like for it to all be in the same universe and actually see that in a game, but you are, for some reason, against that.
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"Actually, I'm pretty sure this all comes back to the word "blend". You're talking about replacing things or changing characters. I'm talking about taking elements from both and forming a complete, consistent storyline. I never said that they are the "same, single universe". I repeat: BLEND. That implies that they are, in fact, separate. The process of BLENDING would, therefore, make them the same, single universe. You're talking about this like it can't be done."
They both rely on totally different progressions of plot and situations that mutually contradict: Fox's father can't be the leader of a mercenary team who was killed by a traitor in his own team, while simultaneously being a Cornerian military pilot who was killed by Andross' bomb. That's just for starters: you still need to exile Fox McCloud and have him be a resistance fighter on Papetoon while simultaneously having him take the reigns of the Starfox mercenaries, and then have Starfox formed afterwards by General Pepper to explain why he's hiring outlaws.
"How could you possibly combine these two different universes? With a pen and paper. You're defending the universe you prefer and refusing to acknowledge that it is, in fact, possible to combine the storylines. I can't believe we're having a long, drawn-out argument over me saying, "Hey, maybe they should take the best elements of all the versions and make them into one, consistent storyline" and you saying that you shouldn't blend them because, for some reason, you can't maintain the comic storyline while adding things to it."
And who are you to decide which elements are "best" and thus fit to be in your new storyline? You just admitted right there that you would cut out parts of the stories to make them fit together, and I know for a fact that you will be biased towards the Starfox 64 continuity with every edit you make. Ask yourself: why would I be trying to defend a universe against something as innocuous as that? Because you are a writer who doesn't know anything about the universe you want to "blend" Starfox 64 with in the first place. You haven't even read the comic you speak of.
"This whole conversation started on the subject of Krystal and Fara. I was suggesting that both characters be fit into one universe, just at different times, so that the pointless conflict over who should exist officially and who shouldn't would end. Your opinion is that is should not be done because you don't want it to change."
They both officially exist in two separate universes. Forcing Fara to break up with Fox (who is the Main Character, by the way) just to shove Krystal into the storyline only achieves the opposite of your intentions: you'd be ignoring the given personalities of both women if you do that - I've already explained that in my second reply up there, so don't ask why - and officially making Fara less important than Krystal. This bias of yours won't end with the romance either: you'll do the same to every event and plot detail in the SNES continuity, not even knowing that you're doing it, because you never looked. It's much better to leave them both alone. That's not an opinion of mine: it's an observation of your motivations and thought process and how they would affect what you write.
"You'd rather maintain a fragmented universe than establish a new storyline that preserves the comics while also adding more value to the video games."
You can't preserve a historic building by breaking it's foundation up and then adding new areas that were never intended for it in the first place. The same is true of historic fiction.
"Personally, I'd like for it to all be in the same universe and actually see that in a game, but you are, for some reason, against that."
You are, for some reason, unable to see how destructive your idea actually is. People like you are what worry me when it comes to storytelling: you intentionally blind yourself to the reality of what you are doing until it's too late.
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It's all moot anyway, cause Fara was never canon. The comics were never meant to be a guide to the actual backstory of the SNES timeline, and it's even been explicitly mentioned that within the games, Fara never actually existed--she had been considered for Star Fox 2, but was ultimately rejected in favour of Miyu and Fay. The comics are a parallel universe of a parallel universe, basically.
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Krystal shouldn’t be with Renamon, she’s a computer program.
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I wish she would eventually show up in the games
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XDDdd who knows
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she was his teacher, on the comics (the few they where) and yea end up to be his sweetheart at the end of those,
there must be more of her! or people will forget her like they did with sally on the sonic fandom LOL. now its all
Amy!
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hopefully she doesn't XD
Thank you! :3
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Guess Krystal is still available for anyone to charm.
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This is lovely!...its so nice to see it finished.
I'll look forward to future commissions. 
Beautiful work as always!
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Thank you very much!
Glad you like it! :3
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This is absolutely heartwarming to see Fox with his original love, the beautiful Fara Phoenix. Very pleased with the moment of them sharing an affectionate cuddle together, arms around each other, basking in the mutual romantic feeling that makes one feel good. While Krystal is more popular, may Fara never lose her own lovely charisma among the few oldschoolers who support her and Fox as a happy couple. Thank you for agreeing to this commission in the first place, as well.
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Thank you very much!
I will always appreciate your comments!
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You're welcome. Would love to do a request if possible. ^^
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If Krystal saw this, it's a cat-fight, big time!
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I have no doubt about that lol XD
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Curious but who would you ship Fox with anyway
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The obvious answer but my preferred answer x3
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