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Xlavok [2018-12-13 21:17:56 +0000 UTC]
Yep Baron Vardonberg's thinking is often a precursor to genocide when he doesn't even see Vampires as people or individuals at all but rather he defines them by their vampirism alone the same way that racists define PoC by their skin color and ethnicity. Well despite the fact that Ruvthen is a misogynistic scumbag though.
Hid my last comment after realizing what Romero's Zombie films are actually about which could be a huge theme coming soon.....
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Libra1010 In reply to Xlavok [2018-12-14 22:58:34 +0000 UTC]
On the one hand you make a fair point about zealotry; on the other hand Ruthven has a long history of amply meriting the Death Penalty and is effectively immune to any lesser punishment (at any rate his supernatural longevity makes a Life Sentence more dangerous than practical, given that Age shall not wither him).
Quite frankly I don't agree with the Herr Baron that the only possible approach to a Vampire is with torches & pitchforks, but I am entirely in agreement with the idea that sometimes this is the only sensible approach.
One can only judge on a case-by-case basis.
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Xlavok In reply to Libra1010 [2018-12-14 23:28:41 +0000 UTC]
Of course Vampires are still human beings first and even if they're complete monsters and scumbags like Ruvthen is, they shouldn't be robbed of their humanity and dignity like the Baron is doing here since if you ever notice he uses "it" pronouns and refers to them as "creatures" instead of seeing them as human beings which is part of his way to dehumanize and "othering" the enemy which is often a path to genocide.
And yes surprisingly this includes Romero Zombies too (since it's more than likely they're going to appear much later on....) because if you ever watched the films that there's a theme that even though they're reduced to their basic instincts but the part that makes them human are still there (like remembering their past lives, using tools and weapons, compassion if you seen "Land of the Dead", and of course Bub from "Day of the Dead" etc) and Vampires are basically "The Undead" that retain higher brain functions unlike Zombies do.
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Libra1010 In reply to Xlavok [2018-12-14 23:38:01 +0000 UTC]
They're also violently dangerous predators who EAT people, more often than not - having said that one definitely agrees that referring to any thinking being as "it" is as sloppy a habit of thought as it is dangerous (if nothing else it might fool people into lumping a sapient being in with mere animal predators, rather than giving the individual full credit for Human level ingenuity coupled with Inhuman power).
As for vampires being Human beings first ... well that depends on the individual in question, since not all Vampires started as Human (the word being used somewhat loosely of any mythological creature that drinks blood).
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Xlavok In reply to Libra1010 [2018-12-15 00:07:20 +0000 UTC]
Of course when it comes to defining the humanity of the vampire it also depends on the particular strain of vampirism since there's some that aren't "human" at all persay like Buffy's Vampires who are technically demons inhabiting their hosts corpses while the original soul passes to the afterlife (unless they get their souls back like Spike and Angel) and there's Del Toro's "The Strain" which are controlled via a hive mind via a parasitic worm (which are the most disgusting incarnation of vampires).
Of course I think you're easily familiar with the Kindred/Cainites from Vampire the Masquerade (and of course Requiem...) who carry a literal biblical curse with them which all of them have a beast inside them that no matter how hard they struggle against it, they either fall into wightdom (humanity 0) or adapt a Path of Enlightenment and become inhuman monsters pretty much that are common in the Sabbat (and Elders in the Camarilla follow Paths/Roads ironically) since the Kindred/Cainites are perhaps the worst off being that they're from the World of Darkness of course.
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Libra1010 In reply to Xlavok [2018-12-16 11:06:18 +0000 UTC]
All True - "Vampire" is most definitely a shorthand generalisation rather than a species!
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Xlavok In reply to Libra1010 [2018-12-16 15:50:04 +0000 UTC]
Well kinda exactly since "Vampire" is a broad term that could mean anything although most vampire fiction often says "This is how Vampires actually are" despite them being different in every story which Philip is trying to tell here hence in his world, Vampirism is diverse instead of a unified singular "race" like in most stories like VtM for example.
For example this supercut pretty much explains how broad Vampires are:
Including Zombies too:
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