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Published: 2018-03-29 04:08:09 +0000 UTC; Views: 5117; Favourites: 19; Downloads: 0
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Recently discovered this latest meme, and decided to try my hand against my better judgment. Do note that these are nowhere NEAR the total list of couples I ship, or even necessarily all of my absolute favorites, but they do fit the criteria as listed:Because it's adorable: Daniel Sousa and Peggy Carter (Marvel, MCU): Granted, part of this is wish fulfillment on my part. A good-looking guy who looks just a little bit like me who gets to be in a romantic relationship with one of my absolute, all-time favorite heroines ever? Damn, I'm jealous XD.
Because it's hot: Catwoman and Batwoman (DC Comics)
Because it makes sense: Catwoman and Batman (DC Comics): Far more than him with any one of a countless number of generic and boring civilian girlfriends, anyway. Why people would prefer Batman with a boring and useless damsel in distress character or Lois Lane clone over the awesome and infinitely sexier and more interesting Catwoman is a mystery I will never solve.
Because it's sweet: Ron and Hermione (Harry Potter): Can't believe JKR has turned against this one
Because it has potential: Mako and Asami (Legend of Korra): Potential that was utterly wasted/squandered by the actual show and by most Fan-Fiction writers too, but oh well. Mind you, I like Korrasami just fine as a couple, but I still prefer this one.
Because it's healthy: White Queen and Cyclops (Marvel Comics)/UPDATE: Replaced with Male Paragon Shepard and Miranda Lawson (Mass Effect): At least I think so. He makes her happy, and helps her see and recognize her own self-worth, not to mention he brings out the best in her. I've long viewed this romance as an act of great kindness on Shepard's part. Sounds pretty healthy to me.
Because it's new: Barry Allen and Jessica Cruz (DC Comics): Not to mention it's more interesting than him and Iris, and gives us a trio of interesting new superhero kids from the future. Sounds pretty good to me.
Because it's Canon: Han Solo and Princess Leia (Star Wars)
Because they understand each-other: Luke Cage and Jessica Jones (Marvel): I still think the latter's show is overrated beyond measure, but I still like these two characters and their love story.
Because they're different: Ryoma and Camilla (Fire Emblem Fates): Comically so. A big thing about their relationship development is that, initially, they have NOTHING in common!
Because they're the same: Catwoman and Black Cat (Crossover): OK, so maybe I was a little TOO literal-minded with this one, but what can I say? The thought of these two lovely, femme fatale sexy kitties who are also my absolute favorite female characters of all time getting intimate is highly appealing to me.
For a less literal-minded example, I'd cite Apollo and Midnighter from DC/Wildstorm.
Because of sub-text: Supergirl and Lena Luthor (DC, Arrowverse): A massive, (and I do mean MASSIVE) amount of lesbian subtext namely. I mean seriously, the amount of "Les Yay" between these two is INSANE.
Because of fan-work: Harry Potter and Cho Chang (Harry Potter): A badly underdeveloped pairing in the books and movies proper that was axed before it even had a chance, but this is what fan-fictions are for; more than one Fan-Fiction writer has tried to make this one work, and the best one also make Cho Chang a more fleshed out and interesting character too
Because they're underrated: Spider-Man and Black Cat (Marvel Comics): In this case less the characters and more the couple. 99.999999% of all Marvel fans seem to tirelessly (and tiresomely), insist that Peter must always, always, always, always, always be with Mary Jane without exception. To put it in the simplest terms, I don't agree with that mentality. At all.
Because I don't see them with anyone else: June and Jet (Avatar the Last Airbender): Barring Jet's brief thing with Katara, anyway. These two make a certain kind of sense as a couple, and neither one has much in the way of other suitors, so...
Because I can: Neville Longbottom and Luna Lovegood (Harry Potter): I think they're cute together, I think it makes sense for them to be together, and I'd rather they get together than pair off with random, super-obscure characters who almost nobody knows or cares about. Say what you will about the dangers of pairing off your favorites for only that reason, but I think it makes more sense than pairing them off with Z-list characters.
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I'm not the only one who likes Catwoman x Batwoman 👀
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Scott and Emma really isn't healthy, at all. Like its beneficial for her (she gets a stable-ish boyfriend and got basic immunity to a lot of questionable stuff) but not at all for him. It started off as rape (he had PTSD, she told him she was a qualified therapist and could help him, then she initiated a sexual (albeit psychic) relationship; if you swap the genders around its unquestionably rape, or at best severe taking advantage of someone in a vulnerable state), he got basically mentally pushed into the relationship after his wife's death (whom he was also mentally forced into not grieving for), and when they were together, she basically brought out the worst in him.
To be clear, I don't think they're uninteresting together (again, while she brought out the worst in him, I think it did make him a very interesting leader) and I can understand shipping it, but 'because its healthy' is really hard to swallow.
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Well, it was basically the idea that they each bring out the best in each-other; he brings out the best in her, and she challenges him and makes him more interesting and in some ways a better leader.
As to the idea that it "started out as rape", I don't really buy that; you said it yourself that it was psychic, not physical sex (thus no penetration). And having sex with someone who is undergoing PTSD is not the same as having sex with someone who is drugged, drunk, or being threatened. So to say that "it's unquestionably rape" doesn't ring true with me. Having sex with an emotionally vulnerable and unhappy person that isn't even physical sex but rather a weird, psychic experience that doesn't include physical penetration, is not rape to me. Especially since Emma genuinely cares about Scott, and is not motivated by the kind of sadistic desire for power and control that is what motivates rapists. Albeit Emma IS a control-freak, but being a control freak=/=rapist's psychology.
At least, that's my perspective.
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That's a respectable reason to ship it, but I don't think it can be described as 'healthy', since Scott's at his most interesting when he's decidedly not healthy.
And as said, if its not rape, it is still a gross violation of his consent. Again, swapping the genders, if a woman who suffered a traumatic incident went to a therapist for help, and they prescribed a treatment that involved simulated sex with him that isn't 'real' and thus allows them to wiggle out of being classified as actual rape, and when found out justified his actions by saying he was in love with the woman, it would be quickly considered a case of sexual misconduct. If we remove the sci-fi stuff and boil it down to just 'therapist suggests sex with them to help, and/or initiates affair with patient', then it does just become straight-up rape.
Plus, to a psychic, telepathic intimacy is just as real as physical intimacy, if not moreso. Jean explicitly says that after she finds out about it, so the 'not real sex' excuse doesn't fly.
Either way, Scott was in a vulnerable place and Emma took advantage of it; there's a reason therapists cannot, under any circumstances, date a patient without suffering major legal consequences.
Like I said I'm not trying to shit on your ship, but I do think 'healthy' is a poor descriptor.
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Well argued. But I still don't go along with the idea that it's rape for several reasons:
1. Jean was angry at both of them for the affair and his marriage to Jean deteriorated after the affair was discovered; if Scott had been a victim of rape and manipulation, why would Jean hold it against him? That makes no sense, least of all for someone as moral as her. And yet, after the affair was uncovered, the marriage deteriorated (as marriages often do in the face of adultery).
2. Again, I simply don't see Scott as being in a position where his consent was invalid. I don't see how being miserable/unhappy precludes proper consent. In fact, the idea that he was miserable better explains why he even agreed to an affair and went along with one in the first place; because he foolishly hoped it would make him happier. But he was not threatened, he was not under the influence of drugs, he was not drunk, he was not alcoholic, and he was not enslaved. I simply don't see being deeply depressed or unhappy as meaning he can't give consent.
Now, was Emma's behavior highly unprofessional/dubious/improper/illegal? Yes, I would agree, but I still don't think that she "raped him" per se. Again, how does being deeply unhappy/miserable translate to no longer being able to give proper consent? In none of the (many) lectures I've gotten on what proper consent is have I ever been told that the person needs to be in a jolly mood for it to count, and that if the person is sad/depressed and desperate for sex as a way of relieving their misery it doesn't count. Is it conducive to good sex? Maybe not, but I still don't see how it's "rape".
That out of the way, I do think I'm going to change that one. Would you mind terribly if I afterwards hide this discussion? If only because otherwise it will look weird that we're talking about Scott and Emma and that couple's been removed from the meme and is now no longer present.
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Well, to answer that;
1. The doylist answer is poor writing; Morrison has a bad habit of writing male characters not consenting to relationships and not actually acknowledging the implications of it (see how he retconned Talia into raping Bruce, but Bruce doesn't get treated as a victim because he 'didn't think it was bad'). The watsonian answer is that Jean didn't understand the situation, in fact from all intents and purposes it seems in canon no one really understood what happened. I think the closest canon came to acknowledging that it was rapey/less-than-consensual was when Bendis had Scott reject Emma's attempt at reconciliation and acknowledge how toxic she was.
2. He wasn't just 'miserable/unhappy', he was deeply mentally ill. PTSD is a serious condition and Scott, who had just been possessed by Apocalypse, was clearly suffering from it. He was expressing doubt that any of his life was real and it was said that he hadn't been intimate with Jean since. In that state, his ability to consent would be questionable at best, and for Emma to pursue a relationship while he's in that state is completely out of line. If Scott was the one who initiated the sex, Emma could be seen as just being scummy for accepting, but since she was the one who pushed the idea on him, its definitely a case of her taking advantage.
Obviously one does not need to be explicitly 'happy' to have sex; people use sex as a means to deal with being sad or angry all the time. But there is a big difference between someone being in a bad mood and someone suffering from a mental illness. Emma, who was acting as a therapist, had a great deal of power over Scott in this situation since he was trusting her expert opinion to help him recover, and she took advantage of that (I'd also note that, given at no point before or after is Emma ever depicted as a therapist, its highly likely she lied about her qualifications too, which also makes it rape-by-fraud).
And as for this, yeah I'm OK with you blanking the conversation if you wish to. I completely get that it'd look really out of place if this isn't included any more.
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Yep. Although, you do such an exemplary job of arguing your case that it would seem a crying shame to hide this all.
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Thanks, truth be told you're not bad at presenting your case either. At the very least its nice to know we can have an argument online about comics and it not devolve into name-calling.
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I always liked Ron and Hermione more than Harry and Hermione.
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Yep. I like both well enough, but I definitely prefer one to the other, and I also like how Rowling stuck to her guns with it when writing the books (even if she has come to regret it in retrospect, but I still believe she made the right choice).
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Miranda or Jack for me. I find that they are just two sides of the same coin. One comes across as an ice queen, the other as hot headed bitch.
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That's funny, I also ship black cat and catwoman.
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Too bad there isn't one labeled "Because they work as a team" the team couple I would prefer be Hiccup/Toothless and Astrid/Stormfly from How to Train Your Dragon.
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Good point, though I myself wouldn't have chosen a HTTYD couple, as I have never watched anything from that franchise (shocking, I know, but I never did. Maybe one day...)
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OMG, u really need to watch both the first and second films (they work well in the second) and they also have a Netflix series only referred to as Riders of Berk six seasons.
In the event HTTYD don't qualify as a team couple (capable of not only working together partner wise, but also if they switched w/each other), which team couples u had in mind?
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Most I agree on (though I'm unfamiliar with those not related to DC, Marvel, Mass Effect, Harry Potter), a few I got questions on and a couple I respectfully disagree on.
Batwoman and Catwoman- Seriously? I know Kate Kane's a lesbian (and Selina's technically bisexual), but dude Kate's (Bruce's cousin) making out w/Bruce's fiance for God's sake.
Batman and Catwoman- It's obvious these two are meant to be and why would Bruce favor that demonic bitch Talia over Selina is pure stupidity. After what happened in Arkham Knight, it completely destroyed my world when Batman severed ties w/everyone he loved including Catwoman which is something he shouldn't have done since there's no Batman w/out his Family (damn the writers who destroyed my world).
Commander Shepard and Miranda Lawson- My preferred romance option is Liara T'Soni given she has not only gone through character development throughout the Trilogy (eager learning archaeologist, cold calculating information broker, wise and caring Shadow Broker) she understands Shepard more than anyone else.
Black Cat and Catwoman- If only we could get both comics do a decent crossover story that gets these two together
Neville Longbottom and Luna Lovegood- Don't they get together in the books?
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No, they don't. I mentioned in my description of them that they paired off with more obscure characters that no one really knows or cares about all that much.
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Which ones are you referring to?
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I never had anything against them since I figured those two make a cute couple.
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What's funny is how I only disagree with one. Emma and Scott was not healthy. If you read what she almost did to Young Scott in X-Men Blue you might agree with me. Also I hate Logan/Jean. It's Scott/Jean all the way. (Now if Scott had a sister named Sarah with his powers, I could see her getting together with Emma.)
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I wasn't thinking of X-Men: Blue though. Wasn't that the X-Men in their early years? As I am pretty sure that Emma was still a villain then. I was thinking more Anti-Hero Emma Frost and Cyclops. Not "evil is sexy" Emma Frost.
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X-Men blue is Classic X-Men in Modern Times. Iceman has a boyfriend named Romeo, Beast is learning Magic from Goblyn Queen, Angel has Cosmic wings. After Cyclops died, Emma went nuts. She even tried to change teenage Scott into her ideal of Scott.
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Eh, sounds like another case of Marvel ruining a heroic character by gratuitously turning them into a villain (as they did with Bishop, Black Cat, and Captain America before her).
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Well she did start off as a villain, but now she's just crazy. Not to mention they kept hinting, after Jean died, that she could go back to being evil if she wanted to. Then after the Phoenix event, Cyclops was still kinda evil. I don't know. But then again, that's why I mentioned Sarah.
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