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Published: 2016-06-05 15:19:35 +0000 UTC; Views: 1644; Favourites: 90; Downloads: 0
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Jubilee, like Iceman in the past, is a X-Man whose full potential hasn't been realized or explored. You'd think that Marvel would do something with a character who has the power of a nuclear bomb. Hopefully she'll be brought to the forefront and be put in her rightful place in the X-men. In the meantime, I'll just keep drawing her the way I see her. Enjoy!Related content
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Not disagreements with how she was utilized at the beginning. but my argument is that after that, the characterizations that established her at the beginning were not realized on, rather, she was put back on the shelf for awhile, and when she was put back into a storyline, the best that the writers could do was turn her into a vampire! It's from this position that I say she hasn't been fully realized as the Jubilee that showed the promise of what she could become later, as what was done with Kitty Pyrde.
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a X-Man whose full potential hasn't been realized or explored.
I'll disagree here. She's proved to be quite polyvalent from her first appearance to the Lobdell/Nicieza X-men run, Gen X and Hama's Wolverine. Granted I'd dig a grown-up Jubes (who'd look more like Kaori Makimura !), but I would not say she was not realized.
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Criminally underused in the new movie. Damned shame, she was the gateway character for me into X-Men when I was 13.
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That movie, along with fanfourstick, is just more proof that fox should lease (or give back in a perfect world) the right back to Marvel just let them handle the production of the movies from here on out.
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Didn't she get de-powered and then turned into a vampire?
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That's what I thought as well, but apparently on the cover of X-Men #1 with all the X-Women on it, she sure looks like she has her powers back.
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Did she stop being a vamp too or is it just her powers are back?
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From my understanding, Joe Q is retconning a bunch of X-men stories and characters, including Jubilee. Bad writing led to to becoming a vampire who is also a single mom in my opinion
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I'd normally agree it was very bad writing which IT WAS but I know for a fact that Jubilee went vamp about the same time that the Twilight movies were enjoying their brief heyday.. Sparkling no fangs vamps..Worst vamp idea EVER!!! Sorry need to vent when I think of those movies .. Give me Hellsing or even the last good Dracula movie anyday..i No doubt in my mind that they jumped on the vamp wagon as a result in spite of their denials but it's good to know they are finally retconning some of the stories that should never have existed in the first place..
They need to get rid of the stories that served no purpose or just plain sucked [[ No pun intended ]] like making Jubilee a vamp and a single mom for a baby that wasn't even hers.. Take care of your own grandson Prof X... At least that was the official word from what I understood.... Not that I understood it much...... It would've worked if they had vamp Jubes just do more vamp hunting or something involving her vamp status but instead they did little to nothing just like they almost always do with Jubilee .. But I suspect we may hear from vamp Jubes one day in the future in spite of the Retconning.. Here's hoping they get it right if they do but if it stays buried forever I for one will be more than happy to leave it there and pretend it never happened.. Now all they need to do is start showing the real Jubes again.. Maybe that movie part turned cameo will help.. After the DVD comes out.. Stupid cutting...
Funny part was Vamp Jubes could've worked with just one or two meetings .. Vampire Storm from one of those realities where she went vamp and/or the Vampire Lord Wolverine.. Am I the only one who saw that possibility?. Heck she could've even went solo as long as they tried to make it work... Now if they just Retcon the last secret wars even though old man Logan is an interesting idea. It feels weird having him around with the real Wolvie among the "departed" >.👍: 0 ⏩: 0
Blink and you'll miss it!
I remember an old friend talking about how Jubilee had lots of hinted at potential as regards her power... probably a decade ago (maybe longer) but how they just kind of went "meh".
I don't think there's much in the way of character planning. Not that you could expect much when it's generally considered a bad thing for the creative team to be on the same project for more than 6-12 months.
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Too true. I have lots of problems with how Marvel and DC create comics these days, but one of my top five is the tendency to switch creative teams up what seems like every 5 to 10 issues (or 5 to 10 minutes in real time).
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I think Ultimate Spider-man had the same creative team for 100 issues... which was seen as pretty unprecedented. I think after they were disbanded, the Ultimate Universe as a whole went into its death spiral.
But certainly, there is a tendency to standalone story arcs that last six issues... probably because who knows what crossover event will darken your door?
Honestly, if the comic book industry wants to know why it's still really only doing OK, when the popularity of superhero films means it should be enjoying a second golden age... it really needs to look at its practices.
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Superhero comics, in my opinion, produce their stories and subsequent arcs for the sole purpose of adapting them for the movies, when it should be the other way around. One of the biggest results of this practice is that by doing that, utilizing 'hard science' as a base, the heroes and stories are grounded by our reality because the movie people (and the increasingly fan-turned-pro) simply cannot fantom the fantastical as something that the audience would completely buy. Ultimate Spider-Man is the exception to this rule, but it proves the rule. The first 100 issues of the Fantastic Four are some of the best comics that Marvel had put out during that time....and not one movie based on them has yet to truly capture any of those stories or characters properly. It's a shame that Doctor Doom still hasn't been properly adapted for the big screen. But I believe it's because the people running and producing both the movies and the comics don't want to honor the source material properly because they want to put THEIR individual imprint on stuff that has already been mapped out and stays authentic by the people who created them to begin with.
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Eh, I really don't think so. Marvel and DC have hundreds of characters and decades worth of stories to adapt into films - I'm unaware of any films from Marvel or DC which are based on works penned since 1999... Instead, we're getting classic storylines like Days of Future Past, Age of Apocalypse, Infinity Gauntlet, The Dark Knight Returns and so on.
The Ultimate Universe (not just Ultimate Spider-Man, although it managed to stick with it more closely) was an attempt to allow new readers a chance to jump on without having to worry about decades of continuity... and I suspect, some probably wanted to dump a lot of the goofy stuff that had accrued over the years and rationalise all the superscience into one more easily digestible block etc. whether that was to help with suspension of disbelief or just to make things simpler to understand I don't know.
As some have noted - the best Fantastic Four film you're ever going to get is The Incredibles... I've no idea what the problem with the Fantastic Four is and by this point, you'd think that they'd have let the rights go by now though. Four films and the ash canned Roger Corman film is arguably the best one! But you've hit upon an issue that the popularity of films has created - the need to pander to a broader audience.
Not just that but things which can work in a comic book or a cartoon can look stupid in live-action... there's a reason Wolverine makes fun of yellow spandex in X-men... having the heroes run around on a stealth mission in form fitting, high visibility outfits would have been (while true to the source material) pretty hard to explain to the average non-comic reading cinema goer why they're dressed like that.
I really don't think people in the industry are driven by a desire to put their own mark on established properties to the deliberate detriment of the source material - adaptation is and always has been an imperfect process and the primary concern of any company is to make money and part of that is toning down the more over the top elements, so as not to overwhelm a general audience.
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All the story lines you mentioned all took the source material, and put their spin on it. Not from a cinematic perspective, but also in tone, characterization, and whole personalities. In my opinion, if the powers that be wish to take liberties from the source material, unless it enhances and makes it better than where it came from (Like Robert Downey Jr.'s characterization of Tony Stark) then you stick to those bullet points of what makes these heroes who they are. The outfits that they where are iconic, and just because they're presented in a way to suggest that they're not, then there's a problem right out the gate (In that case, why should Spider-man where his costume? Why just a skiers outfit)?
'there's a reason Wolverine makes fun of yellow spandex in X-men... having the heroes run around on a stealth mission in form fitting, high visibility outfits would have been (while true to the source material) pretty hard to explain to the average non-comic reading cinema goer why they're dressed like that'.
If you take a look on youtube, you can see countless fan lilms, which show the comic book heroes in suits that are true to the way they are in the books, and they look perfectly legitimate. Since the average cinema goer has proven that they will accept Superman (1978), Spider-Man (2002) Batman (1989) and so on. So when The people at Fox (and Marvel by the way) allow or make these characters say these things which in turn is what they're trying to convince the audience of, you don't have to drink their Kool-Aid. In my opinion, I still haven't seen a true adaptation of the X-Men yet in the theaters, however, I've seen them on youtube.That's something that these studios are gonna have to come to grips to sooner or later!
You are right that the closest FF movie is the Incredibles, I just can't understand why no one at Fox wants to pick up a book and figure out why these four are so popular. The most sucessful runs of their books run under Lee and Kirby, and later John Byrne's run. But after seeing the lengths that Deadpool went through to get made, I'm more convinced now than ever that the problem lies with the people in charge calling the shots. They care only about the money that these films generate, not the actual character and in most cases, the director's they hire to make them. They should learn to stop treating their audience like imbecile's, and really give them something that will last the test of time, not just the two weeks or more that the film will be in the theaters.
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Again, I think that's down to adaptation as a whole and not comic books specifically - hell, authors have been railing against Hollywood's butchery for decades... Not that I disagree with you, when your adaptation is basically taking a few bullet point from the story, what's the point? Well, it saves you having to come up with an original story and lets you cash in on fanboys... and Spider-man (by virtue of his secret identity and powerset) had a decent reason to wear a costume by comparison).
Sure, X-men COULD have used the original costumes but given the heavy emphasis on Wolverine (how ironic they made a cartoon called Wolverine and the X-men, that's what the FOX films should have been called), sticking him in his yellow outfit wouldn't have made much sense... Honestly though, I think the first two X-men films are pretty great, X3 was an unmitigated disaster, Days of Future Past was meh and I've not seen Age of Apocalypse. Oh and First Class was alright, Wolverine: Origins was a hate crime and The Wolverine was OK.
Movie executives aren't well known for their creativity or intellect - they're mostly known for their bad decisions but I'd say that when it comes to the movie going public, they seldom lose money assuming their audience are stupid and at the end of the day, in an industry as fickle as Hollywood it doesn't pay to take a chance.
The REASON Deadpool took forever to get greenlit was not because anyone hated the character or wanted to put their own spin on it - it's because it was being pushed as an R-rated film and not the magical PG-13 cashcow. R-rated films don't make much money, historically and so studios don't like them.
Hopefully, Deadpool will change that.
Oh and as regards Jubilee, I'm reading A-Force and Singularity basically has a bunch of memories of stuff that happened which no one else remembers... so, yay - reboot?
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Let's say that the reasons for Fox not using the original X-Men costumes were valid. The next logical step would be to use outfits that would work. Wolverine also has a Black and Tan costume (my favorite) that could've been used instead. But all the mistakes that Fox has made with all the Marvel properties: from X-men to Daredevil to Fantastic Four and the latest one, were all made and executed by one man: Tom Rothman.
This one person was the one who gimped all the Marvel movies from the start because he didn't like the comics! He actively did hate Deadpool, and did everything in his power to stop it. I'll put links to two articles that talk more about it.
disqus.com/home/channel/marvel…
www.aintitcool.com/node/20443
And this Youtube video really lays it all out these executives over at Fox really should just take a hands off apporach when it comes to these movies:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP0A-N…
In short, Rothman, and by extension Fox, really didn't want these X-Men movies to be successful, he wanted them to die because he didn't like the source material to begin with.
Also, there is a awesome book called Marvel Comics: The Untold Story, by Sean Howe. This book really details the entire history of Marvel from it's beginning up to the point where Disney bought the company. This book really lift the curtain of what went on behind the scenes with the editors, the creative teams, and the publishers. After reading this and seeing what the results of the comics have been under the Joe Q era, have led me to the opinion that I have now, not only is a reboot needed, but new editorials and absolutely a new CEO should replace the current one Ike Perlmutter.
These people are the ones who dictate the characters, the stories, and the 'events'. The last true successful run of Marvel comics as far as overall stories and characters go was from the 80s. A-Force and Singularity, placed against the stories that were made back then just couldn't measure up (not that there was any bad stories made back then either, but there are more memorable and quality comics from that era than there are now. Walt Simonson's Thor and Chris Claremont's X-men didn't have a movie or anything to prop them up like Civil War did).
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I suppose I shouldn't be surprised - these are the same kind of people who seem to cultivate an active hatred of women (as characters and consumers).
Really takes executive meddling to a new level... it's somewhat surprising that kind of behaviour is tolerated. There's being a dick and then there's actively sabotaging projects at the company's expense.
SFdebris did a series of videos (possibly inspired by that book), which I watched with interest... I mean, I knew that the industry (and Marvel specifically) were a mess but damn... Joe Q gets a bad rap. Most of it deserved - he started out OK but yeah... One More Day. Eeeesssh.
I really only dabble in comics, I don't read with any regularity... but I certainly can't think of many storylines in recent years that people have declared must read but then, crossover events happen with such regularity now that it seems as though it would be hard to do one in regular continuity.
Thanks for the links.
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