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MacabreFawn [2012-02-14 01:41:36 +0000 UTC]
If anyone wants to know, I figured out how to fix it. I'm pretty sure it will work for everyone. It certainly worked for me
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PetiteBubu [2012-01-28 16:44:25 +0000 UTC]
Ma solamente io non mi sono mai accorta di nulla? *_* E comunque se clicco sul logo del deviantart mi compare la pagina dei popular-24h lo stesso... forse hanno giΓ aggiustato tutto prima che io leggessi questo post? XD
Comunque, sistema diabolico! In effetti non si incentiva nessuno di bravo, solo la gente a barare con lavori di bassa qualitΓ . Davvero bel post (e complimenti per la scioglievolezza della lingua XD Io non credo riuscirei mai a fare un discorso di queste dimensioni in inglese)
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Lilianthus [2012-01-26 10:30:39 +0000 UTC]
I have to agree that it's pretty dumb because "Popular" doesn't mean popular anymore. I don't even know how they decide what's "Popular" now, people with dozens of faves constantly get featured over those with hundreds or even thousands. You are seeing more artists, which is good, but the quality does suffer as a result.
I do agree that having the same artists featured every time isn't a good solution either.
How about splitting the page in half? Top half would be "Most Popular" and bottom half would be "Up & Coming"? That way both types of artists will get their spot in the limelight.
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sunshineikimaru In reply to Lilianthus [2012-01-26 10:43:07 +0000 UTC]
I know!! TTuTT I want to see good art up there, not low quality art from random people, porn and whatnot :/ dA is making that stuff looking like the best of the site!
but at least those artists were chosen by people and there were also new artists coming up when they were good enough! ><
it's no use, me and many others have been suggesting to turn this new (un)"Popular" FP into "Exposure" and bring back the actual thing, but so far they're not listening!
now +spyed is saying there is going to be a "Recommended" sort of thing which will supposedly show us more of the stuff we like >.> but it doesn't convince me much and also, people will be mislead if they leave the current FP named "Popular"!
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thunderfeild [2012-01-22 08:18:19 +0000 UTC]
Uh, I don't know whats going on with your, but I get to see nice art that got to the front page becuase of views.
and for the sexy women issue: Thats never going to change becuase there will always be a HGUE number of people entanced by boobies
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pandalover14563 [2012-01-21 16:26:42 +0000 UTC]
i agree, i dont get it we work hard to get are drawing,photos,cosplays,etc. up there on the front page bu then all the sudden its all random stuff now
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Viva-de-Ayer [2012-01-21 04:29:42 +0000 UTC]
Well, first off. I suspect it IS a new system. Its different so that you can see RECENTLY UPLOADED. And, its unfair to artists that TRY and AREN'T popular. Just because artists aren't FEATURED doesn't mean you can't look at ART. Which this SITE is about. NOT JUST people who are popular!. Its unfair to striving artists!. Some good artists AREN'T featured!
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sunshineikimaru In reply to Viva-de-Ayer [2012-01-21 09:01:06 +0000 UTC]
yeah it is!
it features many unpopular categories and unpopular artists, the intent is good but the result is good art is nowhere to be found anymore!
it is unfair also to artists who managed becoming a bit popular, because we can't get featured anymore either :/ no, look, the FP is featuring all but popular art right now!
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ZaraAlfonso In reply to Viva-de-Ayer [2012-01-21 05:07:23 +0000 UTC]
It's not showing the recently uploaded artwork, that was a setting of which people could always access and hasn't changed. I believe the point of her journal is to say that the way the front page is working right now doesn't make any sense.
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sunshineikimaru In reply to Viva-de-Ayer [2012-01-21 09:11:43 +0000 UTC]
it doesn't make sense because it's showing random works instead of the best of the site
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ZaraAlfonso In reply to Viva-de-Ayer [2012-01-21 06:42:02 +0000 UTC]
You'll have to clarify your question, as I have no idea what you're referring to.
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Aurumis [2012-01-21 00:20:34 +0000 UTC]
fuck! finally someone said it!
;_; I'm sick of searching for good art and there are only nude girls!! T_T
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sunshineikimaru In reply to Arenheim [2012-01-21 09:10:12 +0000 UTC]
well, I used to find amazing pics up there!
now it's all full of low quality works for the most part and good artists can't even get recognition for their work anymore!
groups have nothing to do with the current problem..
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Arenheim In reply to sunshineikimaru [2012-01-21 20:06:49 +0000 UTC]
I'm just saying I don't think the stuff up there now is any lower quality then what used to be there. I mean, you want to see what low quality art looks like, go to the newest section. Y'know there's always been a lot of well deserving artwork that never makes it to the front page. Maybe if by some chance you're right and they did change something, they just somehow made it so other people can get a chance to be featured. The only thing I noticed that may be different is that there isn't art from all the same people that there used to be.
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sunshineikimaru In reply to Arenheim [2012-01-21 20:14:05 +0000 UTC]
lol okay, I didn't express myself well, but still, I meant lower compared to what used to be there before, don't get angry at me, many others have noticed it too!
and it really is part of dA's new system promoting unpopular artists, let's say..
so now they get exposure, but what about those who used to be there and as you said are not there anymroe? we aren't happy either
anyway, we're asking dA to make a third option and bring back the actual popular page alongside with the current "Exposure" one, so that everyone can be happy
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Arenheim In reply to sunshineikimaru [2012-01-21 21:46:09 +0000 UTC]
Oh no I'm not angry with you! Just expressing another perspective on it is all. Sorry if I came off aggressively. That wasn't my intention.
So then this is a matter of some folks who used to get on the front page a lot, but don't now and are mad about it? I mean, I can see how that might be a bit frustrating. And I can see a third "exposure" section being pretty interesting actually. Although I'm not sure how they'd decide who gets to be there.
I hate to be repetitive, and I'm not trying to sound angry or anything, but I still feel like I must reiterate, I don't believe the quality has really gone down at all, it's just different stuff from different people. I mean, they all still have a lot of faves and views, if that says anything. But I guess maybe it just depends on taste.
But honestly, and again just my opinion, you should try not to be too bothered if your stuff isn't making it to the front page anymore. Be happy that you got there at all, because most people don't. Try to find contentment in your art for what it is. You're a good artist, you should draw because your soul demands it, not because you want whatever it is the front page gives you. Or if you really need front page attention, try drawing more pony fanart. DA's new system, or whatever it is, seems to favor that sort of thing. XD
Also, have you ever tried out Pixiv? Your type of art may do well there.
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sunshineikimaru In reply to Arenheim [2012-01-21 22:31:15 +0000 UTC]
okay xD it's just that some others got angry at me and the others and so..
no don't worry, you didn't! I was just asking you not to get angry (= I'm glad it wasn't your intention in the first place |D
yes it is! but not only, many are not happy with this current dispalying of sexy girls and well..the overall quality of the current FP!
the Exposure would be the FP we have now, so they could just keep it but bring back also the old Popular FP!
but if you look carefully, you'll see they have a lot less faves, for example, many of them don't even reach 100 favs!
and yeah, I'll also be repetitive, but I can't find stuff I like on there anymore xD;
I'm not the only one tho, many of the other popular artists on dA (far more popular than me such as Apofiss, Emperpep and many others) aren't happy with it, and their art is really good, especially when it's done with watercolors, it takes many many hours of work! and no matter how much effort me or the other might put in our works, we'll still have no chances of getting recognition anymore for it, is this a reverse art site or what, where those who are good at what they do get less recognition than the others? >.>
lol it favors pony vectors, actual good pony pics are not up there anymore either xD and I even like those, they're cute..
well, being on the FP was a lot of my motivation, getting recognition for what I do, you know.. now I don't feel like putting effort in picture that are going to be underappreciated anyway, and personally I don't even want to be featured in this current FP, because I don't really like it.
I thought about it but I'd have to start from 0 again orz and I don't know Japanese at all :/
anyway let's see if they take in consideration this 3rd option, before!
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Arenheim In reply to sunshineikimaru [2012-01-22 01:32:04 +0000 UTC]
Oh I see. Nah, I see no reason to be angry. XD But I think people do like to jump to anger a bit quickly on the internet. Never made much sense to me. :/
I read somewhere in the past that stuff gets popular mainly based on views, so maybe they have a lot of views but not a lot of faves? Personally I always thought the best way to judge the popularity of something would be using a ratio of views to faves. But I'm pretty sure they've never done it that way. But that's kinda beside the point.
Another thing too, there's always been a lot of discrepancies with what gets to the fp. I used to notice things with not as many faves or views higher up than something with more. There have also been times when my own stuff or stuff from my friends didn't even show up at all in the category it was in. DA's system, whether they're messing with it now or not, has always been faulty.
So when you say no matter how much effort you put into your art, you're not going to get any recognition for it, while I understand you're only speaking out of frustration, I can't really empathize well with that. You're already popular, so you are still getting recognition. And if you want more, just do what the rest of us do and put your stuff in groups.
And as a side note, I put an immense amount of effort and heart into my art too, and work as a professional artist as well, but on here I don't get much attention. But I continue to work hard and improve because it's what I love to do, I'm devoted to it. I guess what I'm trying to say is you should put effort into your work because you love it and want to improve, not because you expect attention from it. But then again I suppose everyone has their own reasons for doing things. I'm no one to judge.
But anyway, I could see the exposure page working like the popular and new sections, so it would be "popular" "exposure(or something)" and "newest." Is that how you're thinking it would work?
As for not finding stuff you like on the fp anymore, I'd again suggest checking out Pixiv. I always find really gorgeous, inspirational art on there. It always makes me want to draw. XD
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sunshineikimaru In reply to Arenheim [2012-01-22 09:12:37 +0000 UTC]
yeas they do xD; instead of being reasonable..oh well
the old system worked based on both favs and views, that's how sometimes you saw pictures with many views and few favs, in some particular cases!
nono they were doing it exactly that way!
well there have always been complaints about what stuff got there or not, but still, before it was because people chose that stuff! now it's there because it's being featured due to not being popular or being posted in unpopular categories!
of course I still have my watchers, but without the FP, only a minimal part of them sees the pictures xD; I'm not that popular, to start with!
lol I also put it in some groups and then other groups request me to post it, but it's really not the same thing!
can I ask what kind of work you do with your art? just out of curiosity, I'm interested!
just keep trying, I guess! for a long time here on dA I didn't get much attention either, and actually I had just started getting some in the past few months and I was happy about it, because things were finally starting to work! and now this..
I love drawing, really, but I don't like drawing just for myself, if it wasn't for dA I wouldn't have even started/learned how to draw! and posting my pictures now and seeing them not getting the rocognition they did before would only hurt me, because I also put my heart in what I do! >< and well...it's long to explain the background of this and also kinda personal, so I don't think I should write it here..
no? xD the Exposure page (current FP even tho they call it Popular) doesn't work out of popularity like the old one, it works based on the category system and other criterias I really don't know.
then there would be the "Popular" page, that would be the one that got (currently) replaced by Exposure! = the old FP
and then Newest, showing the latest submitted pictures as usual!
yes I know xD I'm afraid if I started browsing Pixiv I'd never get out lol
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Arenheim In reply to sunshineikimaru [2012-01-23 04:58:04 +0000 UTC]
Yeah people can be pretty unreasonable. XD
Hmm, from what I've seen and read it has more to do with views than faves. Or at least did for the almost four years I've been active here. But maybe it changed.
But anyway, I actually just read somewhere else that they are changing the front page system soon to reflect what each individual posts/faves/searches for. So basically the front page will be different for everyone. If you fave and search more for anime/manga art, then your fp will reflect that. I don't know when they're making this change though.
So I guess that means they might not be going for the exposure page idea. But at least this way you'll probably start seeing more stuff you want to, and maybe you're own art will show up more on other people's front pages.
I work as a freelance illustrator, as well as do commission work, usually portraits. I used to do traditional pet portraits, but there isn't as much demand for those in the area where I live now. But I don't usually post my work stuff here unless I got the commission here, since this account is more for my personal stuff.
Nah, I honestly don't care much about getting to the fp. If I did I'd draw more fan art. XD But when I have time to draw for fun I usually rather draw OC stuff, or stuff relating to my comic storyline, which never gets as much attention as fan art. Sometimes I'll post some Pokemon art or something, and it'll get more faves and group requests, but it feels more rewarding to post something OC related and have it get 30 or 40 faves, since it's something I created myself completely.
So ah, yeah. XD I'm comfortable in mediocrity. I have great friends that I can only talk with on here, and there are some people who really seem to enjoy my art, so that's good enough for me. :3 I mean I appreciate it a lot when people notice and enjoy my art, but I don't need everyone to see it for me to be content here.
But I understand that we're all here for different reasons and with different goals, so I can respect that yours are different than mine. I've been drawing most of my life, so you and I seem to have very different backgrounds in our art. ^^ If you want to talk more about yours we can move the conversation to notes. But I understand if it's too personal. In any case I hope things get better for you once they change DA again!
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sunshineikimaru In reply to Arenheim [2012-01-23 14:31:57 +0000 UTC]
eheh yes xD;
I also think the views had more to do with it than favs, but that favs had their part in it too!
really? did somebody from the staff say it? that sounds like a cool thing! lol some people will finally have to stop complaining about seeing ponies everywhere xDD
I didn't really mind the old one tho, and having different ones might be confusing.. well, let's see how it turns out!
oh I see! I also got some illustrations jobs here on dA besides commissions, even tho I haven't really started on them yet >< but my ones aren't very professional probably XD
actually I don't draw fanarts bc I want to go to the frontpage, I started drawing to do fanarts and I've never been much into drawing OCs, not even my own ones |D probably because my ones are never very developed or interesting enough, imo xD I can never come up with some good ideas to draw them! instead I love doing fanarts of characters I love in general, and see how they turn out in my style (= to each their own I guess!
maybe sooner or later I'll get more into creating my own OCs, who knows x)
I've also been drawing since when I was little, but was never very interested or put much effort in it, or made many improvements until I joined dA and found my reaosn to keep drawing, let's say XD
well it's kinda personal and I told the whole story only to my best, it would probably be kinda boring since we don't know each others much xD but if you still want, I can send you a note and tell you something about it! ^^
thank you, so do I!
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Xabeix [2012-01-20 02:23:19 +0000 UTC]
Okay, so this is why we always get to see shit loads of My little pony stuff... No offense, I'm so tired of seeing stuff that isn't fit to be call art. People send way too much stuff without thinking if it has any real value and it is sad that we only get to see this kind of art... I know some of them are working hard to be featured on the front page, but it seems to become more and more like facebook where people send messages while they're at the bathroom...
Where's the talent recognition here? Anyways. If I keep on going like this, pitchforks and torches are gonna fly my way. All I want to say is that okay, maybe always having the same artists featured was not a good idea. Buuuuut, with the new system, it's not better because all we get is mostly crap. What frustrates me the most is that I have to dig now trough DA to find these awesome artists who used to be on the front page. Like someone said, I got inspired too. Now, I think that the new system lowers the value of art produced and shown on DA.
The search engine doesn't show a specific deviation even if you SPECIFICALLY typed down the title of it without any mistakes. That is a shame! If you don't favor everything you like, it'll kind of vanish if you try and search it a week later! With the same stupid criterias.
Sincerely, if you want to be featured on the front page with the awesome artists that inspired you to get better, work harder and harder and one day, you'll be featured right besides them. I just hope DA will change it back because being an artist is not only being hiden but also it's about contacts, friends and work. If you work hard, you too you'll get something. Seeing crap on the front page is annoying and does not contribute to DA at all.
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sunshineikimaru In reply to Xabeix [2012-01-20 09:16:58 +0000 UTC]
it's why you have too see loads of MLP vectors instead of other pony pictures, actually I liked some of the old ones when they were done well even made some myself |D
honestly what I see on the FP nowadays doesn't even seem to show that much of effort! dA is purposely featuring the less popular of everything, pictures, people, categories, and that clearly cuts the chances of seeing good art :/
agreed on all you said!
what's the point of working hard and creatinng good works if you're not even going to get recognition for it?
I don't really like how things are being managed ><
and at least they could make a third option showing the old Pupular page again, because the current on is all but Popular lol
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Xabeix In reply to sunshineikimaru [2012-01-21 16:18:21 +0000 UTC]
thank you! I was sooo angry when I typed it, I thought people would blast me right after. XD I just hope that DA will improve for the best!
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sunshineikimaru In reply to Xabeix [2012-01-21 16:57:47 +0000 UTC]
welcome! ^^
some people attacked me too XD
yeah! and if you want to help in improving things, you can go here [link] and suggest them to create a third front page option so that we'd have Newest, Exposure (current FP) and Popular (the old FP ) :'D
if we suggest it in many, they might listen to us! I already did it and some others did too! (=
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NinjaXaro [2012-01-19 23:36:38 +0000 UTC]
If the change is what I understand it to be (as in, it shows more art than just that of the people who have the most comments / faves), I have to admit I kind of like the new change, at least a little. I agree that its nice to see the most popular art work, but at the same time, it means that basically nobody else could have a chance of getting up on the homepage themselves. I found it to be kind of discouraging just to see my work appear for about 10 minutes in a category only to be engulfed by everything else and not have a chance at being seen, while meanwhile pretty much everyone who is established and popular is visible. It feels like it's always been the same people who are in the popular section. It's not that I don't support their art or like seeing them, because I do, but I think it's nice to make it a little easier for other folks to show off their stuff without having to get into a popularity contest. Or maybe I'm wrong and perhaps it really is the quality of your work that will ultimately either attract viewers or drive people away, but it's just that if ALL that there is is the most popular works, it really doesn't make it any easier for those who simply want to be noticed, even a little. :/
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vallarii In reply to NinjaXaro [2012-01-21 02:13:18 +0000 UTC]
i have to agree with you in that point. β₯ maybe they also want to give chances with everybody. thought filtering the artworks is a different issue..
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vallarii In reply to NinjaXaro [2012-01-22 00:34:31 +0000 UTC]
at least the popular ones are always there. just click the popular button and you can see them all. :] and what's the use of the watch button if you really always want to see the works of your fav. artists?
yeah, i think that's okay i agree with you. why just not mix them all, or rank them and filter the inartistic, pornographic stuff? at least they displayed them all and it's fair to everyone.
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ajmadee [2012-01-19 20:58:18 +0000 UTC]
The one thing that inspired me when I first joined deviantArt was seeing all of the beautiful popular artists on the front page. I vowed to one day be able to compete with them. I have worked hard, far, and long and it has brought me leaps and bounds, and although I am not on par with the popular deviants, my personal growth throughout the years in art has grown so much due to these inspirations.
I thought that was the beautiful thing about deviantArt. It allowed so many people of so many skill levels to join together, each fighting and helping each other to achieve the ultimate dream of improvement, no matter what your skill level is. I feel as though the creators of dA approved, and that is why they are trying to change the front page in order to feature less seen deviant artists.
HOWEVER; I do not support this change, even though I support their motive. The featured artists that I saw inspired me to work harder, and push myself to the limits to almost "catch up' to the artwork that was being seen on the front page. I was and still am working to be seen more often on the front page and receive recognition. But it was that drive that inspiration from high quality art on the front page gave me.
Like, I started noticing that popular artists had backgrounds incorporated into their artwork, and that taught me to dive in and not be afraid of trying to add in my art despite the fact that I thought it would risk messing up my piece. Now all the artwork that I see on the page are sketches with inappropriate proportions and lack of technical skill and it saddens me.
The front page is a snap shot into dA. How does dA plan to get more people in the community if they show poor art?
And now they've created more issues like having to sort artwork into correct categories, etc, etc.
BASICALLY I AGREE XD
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sunshineikimaru In reply to ajmadee [2012-01-19 21:29:58 +0000 UTC]
THIS.
ahah and thanks for agreeing x)
yes, that's also why I joined dA, I wasn't good at drawing, but seeing those amazing people kept me going in hope of someday catching up and be as good as them 8D so I kept trying and learned a lot, and even if I'm still far from being as good as some people, I was on my way and I had just started becoming a bit popular xD
if dA stays as it is now, all of that will be pointless, because those who are good, or popular are not displayed up there anymore, while what's being displayed is far from being the best the site has to offer! :/
as you said, dA is representing itself as a community that lacks quality work..
anyway we've got some replies from the staff saying the current system is called exposure >.> yes, exposure of poor art and we're trying suggesting them to change the current Popular page's name into "Exposure" and bringing back the actual Popular page too, this way everyone would be happy |D
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Kendaiblue [2012-01-19 05:02:40 +0000 UTC]
I kind of only half-noticed this. I don't mind them trying to pull up stuff that might not get seen normally, but they shouldn't replace "popular" with it, especially without changing the title.
Would it be that hard to add a third button for that front page batch?
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sunshineikimaru In reply to Kendaiblue [2012-01-19 10:12:47 +0000 UTC]
especially since it's not even "popular" stuff anymore XD
I think they should give an option to choose between the systems!
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Kendaiblue [2012-01-19 05:02:13 +0000 UTC]
I kind of only half-noticed this. I don't mind them trying to pull up stuff that might not get seen normally, but they shouldn't replace "popular" with it, especially without changing the title.
Would it be that hard to add a third button for that front page batch?
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Blizz-Mii [2012-01-19 02:53:42 +0000 UTC]
So true. I miss discovering amazing new art on the front page... TT___TT
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sunshineikimaru In reply to Blizz-Mii [2012-01-21 09:12:57 +0000 UTC]
me too! ;u;
if you want to help us in bringing the old system back, go here [link] and suggest them to create a third front page option so that we'd have Newest, Exposure (current FP) and Popular (the old FP ) :'D
if many suggest it, they might listen!
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sunshineikimaru In reply to SoramaruKaguya [2012-01-19 10:56:49 +0000 UTC]
me too!
I like Disney, but really, Disney Porn? >.> missed out on that..
actually I don't mind any category as long as it features good art!
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LoneSWolf [2012-01-19 01:11:39 +0000 UTC]
I got tired of the front page, no offense, showing the same artists all the time. Not saying they didn't deserve it, but. . .it just got tiresome.
Doesn't help I've been off DA now for more then a month thanks to their set up with the web browsers, and just now got back on.
But still, this is why I have my homepage on my computer set up to go to my account, and not the front page.
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sunshineikimaru In reply to LoneSWolf [2012-01-19 10:58:38 +0000 UTC]
well, but they deserved to be there because they were good! and I also saw people I never saw before, up there! but displaying the kind of pictures it's displaying now, half of which aren't even good doesn't sound like much of an imporovement to me..
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LoneSWolf In reply to sunshineikimaru [2012-01-25 19:49:14 +0000 UTC]
I think that maybe DA should tweak the system a bit, so that people are no longer abusing the system.
Or at the very least, have a new 'tab' that shows random pieces of artwork from the site other then 'most popular' and 'newest', that way, everyone gets a little bit of everything. *shrug*
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shallowpelt [2012-01-19 00:02:19 +0000 UTC]
what about those artists that do put a lot of effort into their work but hardly get recognized for their effort? I remember being 13 and proud of drawings I worked on for hours and now I'd think of it as terrible, I know not everyone is incredibly talented and know the techniques other artists do. I think everyone should have a chance to have their art seen because art should never be judged upon quality if the artist spent hours upon hours on the piece. Art is purely expression of whatever they wish and makes people feel good about creating something of their own.
But... The whole random category is a bit much, I mean- it'll become more difficult to find what you want to. It also, as you said, like a cheat that anyone can do and gives people unfair advantages.
Also, I do believe some people are putting out some, for lack of better words, half-assed art because they want to become popular and are taking an easy way out. Which is also unfair, because purposefully drawing a crude naked woman is a bit much or tracing someones art that is not theirs is pretty pathetic. There's a huge difference between art and distasteful
If the artist puts all of THEIR effort into making a piece they are proud of it deserves recognition for their effort as an artist- but if their work is cheated onto the page with spamming their poorly drawn doodles, nudes, tracing and so on to gain unfair popularity is ridiculous. Not everyone is amazing at art, and not knowing if they put the effort into it and calling it bad quality is a bit unfair I find.
(Also I wish I knew about the personal blackout action earlier)
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