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Hey, guess what? Feminism and Steven Universe mixed together is like Bronies that are autistic obese neckbeard fedora tipping losers. Now that's your daily dose of irony right there.
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whoa.... just going to keep moving, this place is a veritable battlefield, and I have no idea what the battle's about....
Sounds like the internet tough guys were being asshats again, though....
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*Internet tough GALs
littlepinkielies.tumblr.com/po…
www.horse-news.net/2014/01/pin…
www.horse-news.net/2014/01/not…
the-righteous-sun.tumblr.com/p…
tenaflyviper.tumblr.com/post/7…
Of course with everything exposed and out in the open, she fled back into her little spider's dens and went back to drawing the same kinda lewd crap she bitched about.
www.furaffinity.net/gallery/pi…
www.weasyl.com/~pinkiepawsh
Good riddance to bad rubbish though, I'd say. Except I actually find nice things in there sometimes and wouldn't want to give rubbish a bad name.
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oh, good lord, this individual sounds like she was being a bit more obnoxious than she needed to be....
I honestly get so tired of the whole "Bronies are bad" / "The MLP fandom is bad" mentality in general, like... yes, there are the bad spots, the absolutely horrific spots and smutty spots and all the bad things, but.... The other fandoms have them too. I know my experience with the MLP fandom has been mostly positive, so perhaps I'm just biased based on a lack of experience, but I genuinely believe that the things that people hate about the "bronies" extends far beyond the fandom they're associated with, and I just wish people would make that distinction.
whoops, got on a soapbox for a moment there....
Anyways, thank you for providing the links, that was fairly illuminating. I'm glad to hear she's at least quieted down, I hope that all the drama aside, she hasn't gotten too much trouble as time went on. As frustrating as people get, I would still be worried if she got constantly harassed for this issue. That wouldn't change anything for the good. I know it happens, but still. I feel like the best ending sometimes is just both sides just stop attacking each other, since it discourages future blowups and drama.
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Ah, no problem. Actually, since I looked over the links again I noticed the second root cause wasn't listed. While obviously jealousy of JJ played a part, she's also hyper-obsessed with the previous generation (to the point even the admins of mlparena would turn to her to help ID unusual or foreign ponies)
Since she blitzed her old accounts they aren't up anymore, but she had some rants before g4 debuted that it was a 'betrayal' of their loyal fans. So the other part is that she thought the G3 line would be phased out when G4 came. (in actuality, what Hasbro did was just change where they sent them, you can still pick of G3s at the occasional supermarket, dollar store, independent toy store, etc, they just throw G4 at the major retailers) I mean, that line had been going strong and steady for 14 years by the time FiM started. So there was a feeling of "This toy I've grown up with throughout my life is going to go away if this succeeds!" which is when she turned from supportive to snippy. IMO part of her mellowing out was a result of finding out they wouldn't leave after all. (Plus at the official MLP con they still sell G1s as well as G3s)
kinda like the situation with transformers moving from G1 to beast wars, except this consumer backlash had a tangible figurehead instead of general outrage. Now those ones DID stop getting made, but that was because they each needed specialised molds (after all, they had to transform + had other moving parts) and once the molds were worn/broken, that was it. MLP is just pony, pony with wings, pony with horn, each gen. Different sizes here and there but easy to remake it, most they move is just a nodding or turning head. So one of the big reasons for her initial brony hate turned out to be in vain.
Ended poorly but yeah, it died down on its own after she stopped engaging. Just a kind of uneasy "we were all jerks lets just separate and move on" truce there.
The only really 'bad' bronies I've met that weren't tied to 4chan were Jitterbug and Veers (both got into massive fights with girls way younger than them, it was just embarrassing.) and Drawponies due to that whole "selling traces" thing. (Not a bad person himself, just kind of a cheat.) Well, there's another, but it's not fandom-related. (one of the derpi admins became an alcoholic due to RL family issues, which hits on your distinction comment somewhat)
Most of what tumblr seems to like labeling "bad" just seems to be socially maladjusted kids with crappy home lives that never learned to interact, and then for whatever reason they think SHOUTING at them is the best course of action. For people that found the documentary interview experiences nerve-wracking, getting all aggressive is probably not the best way to get them to pay attention. Most of the other unfriendly fights are things you see happen anywhere else really, usually involving shipping. Boy do people ever get wrapped up in their ships! (Still nowhere near as bad as Avatar, that was hands down the worst one I ever saw!)
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At the risk of triggering another few wordwalls (I must be a masochist or something, I know) what the hell? From what I can gather, someone doesn't like Molestia, and so decided to post about it, being a rape survivor, and then a bunch of other people WAY overreacted to that with threats of death and rape, WHICH IS NEVER CALLED FOR, BTW. NEVER. IF YOU EVER THREATEN SOMEBODY WITH DEATH OR RAPE YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PERIOD.
I mean, hell, I personally think Molestia is funny, but I could see why someone could have a problem with her, and it would be their God-given right to voice said discomfort, just like it would be my or some other brony's God-given right to then debate that discomfort in a civilized fashion (civility on the Internet? Yeah, I know, I'm an idealist like that). But apparently some people didn't get that and decided to threaten said person voicing their discomfort with rape and/or death because they're little pukes who could use a good kick to the balls? But now people are DEFENDING those people?
So...what the shit am I missing here? I don't get it.
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Well, it's a good thing they were all lies in the first place then, isn't it!
tenaflyviper.tumblr.com/post/1…
tenaflyviper.tumblr.com/post/8…
littlepinkielies.tumblr.com
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I don't care if she lied about a suicide attempt, you don't reply with a threat of rape! Two wrongs don't make a right! Yeah, what she did was shitty, but you don't feed into that with your own tumblr blog dedicated to the sort of attention she obviously desires, and you especially don't threaten to rape! Don't tell me that every single rape threat made was illegitimate, I know for a fact that some shitbag out there had to get the ball rolling!
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Yeah, and her name was Pinkie.
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And then people responded with shit! More shit! More Internet gigabytes wasted on this petty feud! I honestly feel sorry for the server that has to use its own precious memory to preserve that hate blog, I really do, because it's just feeding into this whole, idiotic mess!
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You want irony? I've got your "daily dose of irony":
What's funny here is that the comic is about a female, yet tumblr has turned it around to be all about males. But then, if you're going to protest things that are not only NOT canon to the show, but are already frowned upon and marginalized by the majority of the fan base, you might as well start attacking the show itself for portraying underage, unsupervised children jumping out of trees and off of bridges, because CLEARLY, since human beings couldn't possibly be intelligent enough to decipher reality from fantasy, it is almost surely going to cause the deaths of thousands of children because some pastel-colored blobs with lines around them "told them it was okay to do". We certainly can't go around holding parents responsible for keeping an eye on their kids instead of relying upon television and the internet to do the work for them.
Yeah, no. You're not only using a copyrighted character as a moral mouthpiece, but you've also chosen the worst possible character to do so - one that, IN CANON, was planning for years to enslave and feed off of not only fully grown ponies, but also foals. The ridiculousness here is off the charts. Perhaps, if those in this dead "movement" had the slightest modicum of rationality among them, they could have actually accomplished something, rather than using little more than attacking the male side of a fan base as a pedestal to appear morally superior. That's not how feminism works, and it certainly doesn't help actual victims.
Meanwhile, this "terrible" fan base has raised tens of thousands of dollars for charities ranging from children's hospitals to breast cancer research, all of which without wanting or needing the slightest bit of recognition. How funny it is that the mouths of these faulty "feminists" are open so much more than their hearts or their wallets when it comes to what they claim to "believe in". It is no surprise that DWM has helped absolutely no one, and has only further damaged the already sadly negative perception that the world at large has of feminism and social activism. It is these kinds of incredibly poor methods of "raising awareness" that are precisely the reason why terms like "feminazi" even exist in the first place. The same way Westboro Baptist Church and its members utilize such inappropriate locales as the funerals of children who perished in natural disasters to wage war against "fags", psuedo-"feminists" wage war on similarly ludicrous platforms, inviting far more negativity over their poor methods rather than "raising awareness". It's almost as though some of them truly believe that concepts like rape are completely unknown, alien things. You may as well run into the nearest iHop screaming at the top of your lungs that "Pancakes really exist!", and then expect to be taken seriously.
Because of this poorly-conceived "movement", it will now be even more difficult for legitimate activists to be heard, and even worse for the opinions of women to be taken seriously, and lemme tell ya - we really appreciate it. Congratulations, DWM, on literally achieving a negative final output. If there were a Guinness book recounting failures in activism, this entire debacle might have almost been noteworthy, if it weren't a complete embarrassment to women everywhere, and a worse "stain" on the fan base than the very thing that raised anyone's ire in the first place.
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Dude....just high five man high five that was just Beautiful
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You're a little late to the party, chum.
It's more amusing to me to see that people continue to whine more about the fact that Chrysalis is used as a mouthpiece rather than, say, the issue at hand.
"HOW DARE YOU USE A CHARACTER IN AN OOC WAY BUT WE LIKE TO WATCH CELESTIA MADE TO LOOK LIKE A RAPIST!"
Talk about irony.
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It's even funnier that DWM completely died because even the people involved in it realized that they were woefully misdirected, and did, indeed, turn activism into even more of a joke than it has sadly become. The only "issue at hand" is bothersome little children who care not for actual victims, but merely wish to wear the term "feminist" as though it were the latest trend in sunglasses.
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I see, so you're trying to say that those that are against the prevalence of rape culture in the pony fandom are nothing more than "bothersome little children?" That to the people in the fandom that call themselves feminists, it is more about being "hip" and "cool" than it is about caring about those it affects?
This was basically calling out the internet tough guys who think it's cool to continually perpetuate this kind of culture in horse fandom. The only people who've gotten upset so far are said tough guys, those whining about Chrysalis being used as a mouthpiece because it's out of character... and you, who are apparently pissed because you were a feminist before it was "cool" and now these kids are horning in on your territory.
Color me unimpressed.
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I have since come to the understanding that this image was targeting those individuals partaking in completely unacceptable behavior (threats, stalking, inappropriate drawings) in response to things they disagree with. However, there's a difference between legitimate feminism, and the kind of straw feminism that gives real feminism a bad name. I'm sorry if you're unable to distinguish this.
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I find it amazing in that entire wordwall, you didn't mention the real-life threats of harm that were made against a minor that prompted me to draw this. Interesting you mention WBC, though, as that same type of zealotry seems to be what Molestia brings out in some folks. No apologies from me for calling out anonymous cowards for bullying a minor with rape porn of her OC. Amazing what a "cartoon character" inspires in people, isn't it?
Also amazing how conveniently canon/noncanon flies with some folks, but that's a topic for another wordwall.
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Interesting. I don't recall ever mentioning that it WAS okay for anyone to bully or threaten a minor, but I like how you instantly leapt to that assumption. The conduct of those individuals behind such behavior was abhorrent, and does not reflect every person that didn't mindlessly hang on the words of a little girl with a self-admitted history of compulsive lying.
But then, that's all water under the bridge, now isn't it? Also, I have my doubts that you read a single word past the first sentence. You seem like the type that eschews anything that isn't a glowing praise or a mindless asspat. The fact remains that DWM helped not a single victim. In fact, real victims who disagreed with their methods were called such awful things as "rape enablers" and "rape apologists". Others had the audacity to say things such as "men can't be raped". It's also amusing that this whole thing started because of a female character, yet everything was turned around to make it all about males.
When your brand of "feminists" stop making a mockery out of what was once a serious movement, the world will be far better off.
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You speak of leaping to assumptions, then leap to assumptions. "I seem the type", really. "Your brand of feminist", interesting.
So, let me get this straight. You are painting the people behind Down With Molestia/Ponies Against Rape Culture entirely based on the extremes that I have called out before myself, but I am not permitted to target very specifically the internet toughs that went WAY too far defending a rape joke. Makes perfect sense. Notice that the art specifically calls out that abhorrent behavior, and if you were not part of it, the art has exactly zippo to do with you. Yet you are making wordwalls illustrating the good that some in this fandom have done, even though this art was not calling THEM out for cyberstalking a minor. I did read all that, in fact. It was mostly completely off the subject at hand, but I did.
By the by, there are survivors on BOTH sides of the argument of whether or not the Molestia meme is harmful. And it has helped, in the sense that it has brought dialogue and made people feel they are not alone in speaking their dislike of sexual assault being made into teehee so sexy "comedy".
I know all too well men can be abused by women. My father was. And it doesn't take feminism to get that. Now do tell me again about assumptions.
Cartoon character sexually assaulting other cartoon characters for a "laugh", or cartoon character calling out internet tough guys who drew violent rape porn of a minor's OC to "put her in her place". It's AMAZING to see which of those has drawn the most ire.
After reading all that, I can assure you I am very glad I don't conduct myself in a way that merits your brand of mindless asspats.
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Actually, I see where you're coming from, now that I know that this was intended to target those particular idiots that think reacting to anything with threats and uncalled for images is somehow a good idea. There's rationally disagreeing with an idea, and then there's being disgusting about it. Thankfully, that minority of individuals is too cowardly to take it any further.
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You've lost me.
People have the right to call you a femnazi, you have the right to call them an asshole.
However, only one of you is likely to be right, so in the end, both of you are just being morons calling each other names.
If you have a point to make, back it up with facts. And when I mean facts I mean ACTUAL facts gotten from real sources, or peer reviewed sources, not just what some twit at the moment is yelling off their soap box.
Also, negative points for using Chrysalis image with a smug face to try and make it look like you're in the right here. A idiot calls another idiot an asshole, a smart person uses facts to prove the other person wrong, or they don't respond to the idiot in the first place.
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Also, of all the people to use as your mouthpiece, you chose Chrysalis; the pony that essentially committed a genocide in the comics and is shown to feed off living things?
Fuck.
Now THAT's funny.
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Not to mention the pony theorized to have raped a drugged-up stallion.
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Don't you know it only counts if you say no? Why must you attempt to slander my queen so!
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"Remember that time I used an established character owned by someone else in order to establish a cheap moral highground? If I make them look smug, it'll clearly show I'm right and make anyone who disagrees out to obviously be some kind of horrible person"
#downwithstupidbullshitbecauseponiesarentyourfuckingmouthpieces
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"Remember that time others used an established character owned by someone else in order to make stale rape jokes do and other things they would never do in canon?"
That's a highly selective standard you have there.
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Difference is molestia is a joke, you're using Chrysalis as a public mouth piece.
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Sorry for the extreme necro, but that's not even a difference. This Chrysalis is public, that Celestia was public.
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There's a difference between making characters OOC for humor purposes and using them to shout political beliefs at people.
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Standing against threats of real-life harm in an argument isn't a "political belief". Unless you were one of those engaged in those threats, this picture is not even aimed at you.
There are also plenty of examples of others using these characters for very non-humorous OOC things, too. The only difference here is that it seems to be a message you don't like. Fair enough, but that is still a highly selective standard there.
Thanks for stopping by.
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"Adding a smiley face to a passive aggressive statement makes me right"
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And trying to psychoanalyze emoticons is off-topic and really silly. If you'd like to actually discuss the topic, that is fine. I'll be here when you do.
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no there's not, and I'm starting to believe your john joseco in a sad attempt to salvage your reputation in any case stop defending rape jokes, rape is an un excusable crime and making light of it doesnt makes anyone a favor nor it's funny
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Stop defending rape jokes?
You've lost me here, nobody is defending rape, rape jokes are black humor.
Also, you can't just outlaw something because you have a moral outrage with it, I mean that would mean the end of rape jokes, fat jokes, stupid jokes, tall jokes, short jokes, small dick jokes, small tit jokes, poor jokes, rich jokes, jock jokes, nerd jokes, fart jokes, smelly jokes, Your momma jokes etc etc etc.
If you don't like rape jokes, by all means feel free to express your hatred of them, but don't expect the world to just roll over just to please your dislike of something.
A rape joke is not rape. I'll defend rape jokes because its just that, a joke. Unless the person is trying to make rape ok by joking about it, I'm 100% behind rape jokes, along with all the joke types said above.
Political correctness killing the free world, cause everyone EVERYWHERE has something they dislike, the world would come to a halt if we banned everything that every single person disliked. I dislike sports video games, I think they're an incredible waste of time, and don't require much skill, I don't want them banned, people have a right to play them, just as people have a right to tell rape jokes.
I do not support rape etc, but I can joke about it. This is the crux of black humor.
Hell, Portal game series has some of the darkest black humor in a video game ever written, shall we call out the PC police simply because somebody might get offended at Glados calling Chell fat and that her parents didn't love her and that she was adopted? No, we either laugh at it, or we don't. Portal 2 isn't saying it hates fat unloved adopted people, its simply telling jokes.
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This isn't John Joseco. Debate is good, but let's keep it to things we can actually back up.
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I know ma'am a failed attempt at sarcasm sorry, but your point is incredibly valid, things like rape jokes dont have any place in any fandom specially in ones that are from shows aimed at young children (again sorry for the shitty sarcasm)
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>I'm starting to believe your john joseco
are you fucking deluded
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One important thing i learned from a stupid Naruto internet parody:
"This is the internet. People dont see you, or will meet you and thats why you can do whatever you want. You can say that CMC sucks, you can say that Discord is overrated. You can even say that MLP is a gigant sack of shit" Nobody cares about opinions. Arguing on the internet is like winning the Olympics for Special Children. Even if you win, you are still a retard. What do you wanna do about it that nobody cares about your opinion/drama? Cry? Rage? Respond even more to get an TLDR? Call the Cyber Bully Police? Kill yourself? Kill others?
I didn't read any of these comics and what about this stuff all here is because... you know... TLDR.
I just want to show you about how much of a bullfuck someone can give and laugh his ass of because of sheer drama. And response to drama. Go on, you all just keep running in that endless loophole of senseless replys and arguments. But you will never accept the fact that the other side which are you replying to dont gives a fuck, even if you threat him to murder him/yourself to accept or critizise your opinion. Cuz if you do your just one of those bad Bronies which are the reason the other "Fandoms" despise us. Its the drama of the fans, not the show or the NSFW bullshit.
Again, this is the internet. You will never meet the people you are arguing with. If the internet would be a gigant LAN party in which you are sitting next to the guy you are replying to with your drama bullfuck... well... either they will run to others and ask them to help flame the "other half" or just smack him. Second option is impossible so the first one always occurs.
My point is. This is a place everybody likes , says, bitches and whines about everything they want they are to pussed out or alone to argue with real life people who actually care. Do whatever you want in your freetime of the internet, ill enjoy myself here and there like it used to be. Have fun with your drama loophole over there.
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It's your right to say what you want.
It's not your right to be liked for it.
That's the gist of it?
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I have been on my keyboard for quite some time trying to write a comment. Every time i start i find that i don't get in the direction i want. maybe i should try to put my thoughts in bullet points.
- The violent way some people of the anti DWM camp reacted is unforgivable. Worse part is that this is how things always turn out on the internet, and there is no known way to stops such reactions. I only know how to avoid these situations or to deal with them when they occur and i know that this isn't enough.
- That being said both sides of that "debate" were led by people who acted very poorly. sides were drown between already rival factions, be it TRS vs Derpybooru or old gen fans vs G4 fans. pinkiepony herself is far from blameless here (This statement is by no means meant to justify what she went through because of this), and one people started calling to ban APM the DWM movement became illegitimate in the eyes of many who might have consider it a good cause.
- Derpybooru got quite a bad reputation from all of this, but i would like to ask that you don't see all of us who go and comment there in the same light as the worse of us. (And i know you have gotten some shit over this very picture) There are many reasonable people there who tried to be polite in the way they made their arguments, kept silent knowing that there was no way they could make things better or just ignored the entire thing.
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I like bullet points, because I have a hard time keeping my own thoughts organized.
- Agreed. Except for myself, I choose to confront it.
- Agreed, it became a train wreck to try to keep track of, which is why I narrowed my focus to my own opinion on the matter. What it began for, I still maintain is a topic worthy of debate. I think they are trying to learn and modify from their mistakes, and that is good.
- I know there are good people at Derpibooru, no worries there. And I even learned some stuff from Background Pony! But again, the freedom to express ourselves has to go both ways. It honestly boggles me still that, amid a sea of memes and making characters do things they would never do in canon, it was THIS piece that caused such a furor. It focuses specifically on the "Internet Tough Guys" who went too far. I really thought that was something both sides could agree on, and maybe make them think a bit more carefully before posting such things.
So there we go, this looks like a middle ground. And I really thank you for that.
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People taking even remotely feminist arguments as personal attacks is nothing new and not exclusively to derpiborru. I wonder why that is?
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I think it was the "please don't edit" that threw people into frenzy.
Some people will take this kind of statements as a personal challenge.
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That's unfortunate.
I was a follower of your work on tumblr, and I consider myself an Anon of /mlp/. Did I participate with the drama? No, but suddenly I'm an enemy of feminism and all things "righteous" and progressive.
One common misconception people fall for is that a place like /mlp/ is full of hate, rape jokes and shitposting. Wait, it is. But nobody, truly, honestly cares. Nobody but people outside of /mlp/ who take themselves a little bit too seriously, at least.
You want my opinion? Most of the people of /mlp/ act like they do to get your reactions, nothing more. And it's fucking hilarious.
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Don't try, the situation is a clusterfuck of massive idiots on both sides while I think the reasonable people would do their best to stay out of it.
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Bronies are a Bunch of Drama Fags, eh?
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No, most of them are decent people that make being a brony fun. But the drama in question at this stage is just stupid shit between two small groups of loud hyperbolic people.
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