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breuhff In reply to TheKrauserlols [2021-12-05 04:12:53 +0000 UTC]

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Draco-Aroace-the-1st In reply to LeBatty [2019-09-21 05:53:17 +0000 UTC]

It just lowers it from the of a 20mm cannon to a 12 ga shotgun.

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Drake329 In reply to LeBatty [2019-08-20 12:26:58 +0000 UTC]

In Tome of Fire a marine scout handed his bolt pistol to an aspirant and warned him to use both hand or it would break his arm and told another aspirant that he could not handover his bolter as the recoil would crush his rib cage.

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TechmagusKhobotov In reply to LeBatty [2019-06-19 04:44:59 +0000 UTC]

There's an initial charge like a normal cartdrige to accelerate the bolt round before the rocket kicks in. Also if you don't open the back of a rocket based weapon to allow backblast the weapon will still have recoil. 

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borthax In reply to TechmagusKhobotov [2019-10-13 11:50:45 +0000 UTC]

Oi, you do know it has a slide for that?

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iamlazycatxP In reply to NikitaTarsov [2019-06-07 16:53:36 +0000 UTC]

Sisters of Battle use Powered Armour, which, amongst other things, does help mitigate bolter's recoil

As for "human-friendly bolters": they exist, are [a little] lighter, lower caliber (around .50 cal), and are very very scarce and important, Given to squad's Weapon Specialist/veterans as Special Weapons or to those who are The Law/can afford one/will declare you a heretic for not giving it to them.
Human-friendly Bolt Pistols are the same deal in terms of being lighter/lower caliber, but also [a little] more widespread, being easier to manufacture than bolter. Commisars can be issued one for BLAMing, officers can get one as a sidearm, less wealthy (but still way richer than average) can buy it for personal use.

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NikitaTarsov In reply to iamlazycatxP [2019-06-07 17:24:55 +0000 UTC]

Balancing mistakes in fictional enviroment tend to escalate to a casual StarTreckNerdWar thingy xD

But well okay. Amongst other things is some kind of ... nope, nothing. No implantations, no stocks or enhanced recoil-reducing systems. No reduced firerate and calibres for the same level of damaged it does in the same time a Marine Bolter would. So its teh same kind of weapon in calibre, propellant and recoil compensation.
For the armor - marines start with about 500% of a trained humans streangh(in law, not in game balancing) and with a bit bigger amount of artifical muscles in his suit. So beyond that bigger level of personal streangh, ther armour not just have more advanced tech as the church has, they also have bigger armors with more strengh-enhancement(what isen't rated in law somewhere, but in the storys marine and sisters streangh was compared(and tbh - sisters most time was rated very much as normal humans even they wear ther skinny muscle suits).
Mastercrafted pieces of this weapon system are - seen realistic - also availabe in the +400% whight category, so the MC-versions for a marine would also do way more pain as those for the pocket of the sisters(which a marine would have trouble with to force his fat finger close enough to the tiny tiny trigger xD

tooootttooooot - that's the feeling of drivin' the nerd-train xDD

No, fun aside, i guess the system of WH40k see itself as a kind of futuristic high-fantasy and makes a good job to do so. Things don't work very logical(the peopel in this universe who are also not doing so are explained very ... very ... above all asking xD). There are a large variety of interpretations how this worl in the detail could work - some authors did a good job, others a lousy. But both handle 'the law' of wh40k as a fluid, movable thing to tell a good, or less good story. I prefer the Chris Wright/Space Wolves-version of WH40k very much, pointing out this marines as a bit too 'specialised' smart, and very superhuman, what very much keeps the feeling of that dirty old universe, where normal humans are meat and not much more, but still the basement of what ther beloved emperors dreams are made of. A piece of philosophical drama that gives the whole thing consistency. IMHO^^

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DatTemplar In reply to NikitaTarsov [2019-06-15 10:01:09 +0000 UTC]

*boards the train with the Emperor's Primer*

1. Even though Space Marines are the best of the best, they can still pale in comparison to other forces present in the Galaxy of the 41st Millennium. It is the presence of these forces (*cough* Tzeentch*Cough*) that any form of logic we have today is pretty much gone. Not to mention that the Golden age of Technology was the high point of human expansion, and they still lost with reason and technology failing them in the face of Chaos, Orks, Genestealers and Eldar.
2. The resources needed for Bolters and their munitions are actually very scarce in the Imperium at large. To the stage were the few Imperial divisions that utilise these weapons have entirely monopolised them for their own purposes. 
3. Remember, we don't write this crude. And GRIMDARK is pretty much Warhammer in General. Without that, it is Star Wars on steriods

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NikitaTarsov In reply to DatTemplar [2019-06-16 10:21:04 +0000 UTC]

1. I tend to see it from the authors perspective. If A fit with B to give a chance that the result matches, it's okay. A and B are exchangable. If Marines are megaawesome, the universe makes sense for the fact there are a very limited number of them and they are bound by a lot of stupid, religion-based rules. If they aren't - as other storys told - there is no point for the empire of man not being eaten by all this threats out there.
I like Tzeench as the aspect of change that represents a part of human inconsistency(as like as the other three dudes of terror), and - in this world - always was part of. Okay not always, Slaanesh was too young but ... guess we humans today can handle that part alone xD
Change is the priority of live and evolution. It fear all who rely on solid ideas and megasized cultures(who need ther time to grow and get to streangh). The emperor was the first really imortal human and litterally stoped evolution to supersize mankind. But i see this as a philosophical problem of stability, psychology and all this terms who are not really expected to be disgussed in Grimdark, Corepunk, Plasmapunk, military scifi, or whatever it is called atm. We can say that stagnation is the main theme of WH40k. All races do it, even the 5+ Editions try to break this a bit(but ... i hate everything beyond 2th so ... i'm out on that xD But that's a personal opinion for a fan and player who felt pissed from a company to kill a halve-functional system to bring another halve-functional, just to force me to pay again for all the same books and miniatures i allready have for 2E).
Tau are ... in this way inconsistend. Ther tech is superhigh, but far beneth of what the Eldar and Dark Eldar can ... or could, if they wouldn't just use ther three blossoms of tech. Tau-tech and the awesomness is logically placed on the road of evolution the Eldar da have. And there is no reason for them to conquer the galaxy as well as there is no reason for all other factions to erase ther few little homeworlds. New, different, inconsequent.
I wouldn't be able to write a book about 40k with such elements - i would need to explain. And in the same moment, i would rebalance theses and that to make it work ->like the books i named. 
1.1: Also not to forget that Marines are no kind of efficient troop. There are shocktroopers, elements of fear and a psychological weapon and bioenhanced nightmares that just was used as normal troops after the emperor went to his sleep.

2. Scarce?? Every 15 imperial Soldiers carry a heavy bolter ... with HB shells ... a lot. Bolters, Stormbolters and HB's are the most common imperial (secondary) vehicle weapons. The Bolter is the sign of mankind in this universe and was produced in billion tons a year. So it would be tricky to monopolise a weapon that is that much a sign of a race, and the support weapon on every emperor-damn vehicles ring mount.
For sure i understand that there is a problem to evaluate the game baalncing between a 8mm armor piercing, reactive-explosive round that ... to be honest, very much is enough for the very most kind of infantery-target, or a 30/50mm round with the same criteria. So a Bolter is more a GMG, a automatic greande launcher(i always asked myself where these guys carry the massive amount of ammo they spend o.O Maybe the barrel is just so fat to make them feel good, but the enclosed clips carry the absolute economic 10mm-version that woud make sense xDD).

3. It is way harder to keep this in mind as it is said xDD Its like you worked on a movie set - you will never be able to watch a movie without counting the lights that wasen't placed perfect Sometimes i think 40K - as well as StarTreck and so many other nerd edens - would never be that popular without this massive lacks in the logic. It make people mind about it, disguss, fight and make it ther very personal ego-point of existence. ST and 40k managed to become some kind of religion this way. I saw conventions where the Waaagh-mobile transporter approaches. It remind me very much to the popes ride. They came, they judge about the people without mind a lot, and the people hang on ther lips. It was ... the most religious distorted happening i ever saw with my own eyes.
Hehe, yeah, perfect point-out. SW was some kind of 'the weakness of the many are turned against the masses from a few evil dudes', what really much seems to be a valid, pragmatic extrapolation of reality. A universe without much hope but this might-thingy as the small spott that may rescue us from our own inner weakness. 40k on the other hand added the element of fantasy to this setting, with faith, false but burning (effective) belive and a big bunch of pathos. As much as i like pragmatism and logic, i wouldn't like to renounce this element of pathos in my storys or those i prefer to read.

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