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So......I gone through the recent Death Battle of Ben 10 v. Green Lantern. I even sat through the entirety of their podcast where the cast and writers attempted to justified the outcome of the battle, going so far to present actual evidence from the comics all in favor Hal Jordan. But I have to say, it felt a little too on the nose how the reasons they gave for Green Lantern to take the win, the exact opposite reasons they would use to refute some of Ben's own feats.The line of "Ben would always be playing catch-up" sticks out because goes against the actual battle animation, which Ben was literally leading the fight while Hal was simply reacting to every thing he was doing.
I feel Ben was grossly misrepresented in the long run just to provide an "interesting" conclusion to the fight.
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Was directed towards the troll but since I already blocked him at that point I figured I’d just post in general lol.
Continue on with your day or life. Bye
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That’s because the battle animation =/= the “logistics” of the battle. It is “merely” for entertainment
“But I have to say, it felt a little too on the nose how the reasons they gave for Green Lantern to take the win, the exact opposite reasons they would use to refute some of Ben's own feats.”
What does this even mean? Why wouldn’t the reasons for Green Lantern to take the win equate to the opposite reasons used to refute some of Ben’s own feats. Elaborate.
EDIT: Unless you mean that they said things that contradicted themselves, in which case I don’t recall much that actually did contradict their own reasons.
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For example, In the Ben 10 cartoon, there's this thing called the Sotobro effect that every being that can manipulate time has. Basically if there's a shift in the time-space continuum (i.e. time travel shenanigans), aliens like Clockwork or Alien X will be able to immediately pick up on it and do something about it.
In their podcast, the crew stated that only Clockwork has this ability because another character was referring to him specifically when the Sotobro effect was brought up. However, that is not how the show explains it in the slightest.
Regardless of the victor, Ben shouldn't of died the way he did under no circumstances and DB should've thought of something a bit
different.
I can go on but then I'd be labelled as a "butthurt" fanboy.
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If you don’t mind, I request a citation indicating the show explains it differently (perhaps a different episode where it is brought up that I bleached from my memory), because as far as I’ve seen that is exactly how the show explains it “in the slightest”. As of And Then There Was Ben, nowhere do Professor Paradox, Ben 10,000, or Clockwork explicitly mention that, in-general, other races with space-time manipulation capabilities such as Celestialsapiens ca sense the sotobro effect; they only mention it in relation to Chronosapiens like Clockwork and Chronosapien related weapons like the Chronosapien Time Bomb. Only other person who may be capable of sensing the sotobro effect specifically—according to Paradox in And Then There Was Ben at least— was Eon; and even then it is stated that the reason behind this is because Eon is an alternate version of Ben.
It just seems to be inference at best if you take into account Paradox knowing about it—though that could be for different reasons— and a presumption at worst (they are “the same thing”, but I’m defining inference as an “educated guess”).
It is arguably even more presumptuous to assume that a) other Celestialsapiens, or dare I say it even even Chronosapiens, would act on it, as if the numerous other time travel scenarios where neither race did jack and shit doesn’t prove that enough and b) that either could take advantage of said sotobro Effect before they get blitzed by Hal.
And even if someone like a future Ben or Alien X could sense it, what’s stopping Hal Jordan’s ring from detecting it as well? Or any character from the DC universe related to the Green Lanterns from doing so? See, that goes both ways.
There’s like one or two other reservations I have about this sotobro Effect being such a game changer for Ben in a time travel scenario. (Inb4 “Gish gallop”)
Source for these statements and my claims:
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The ending was anticlimactic I guess, should have just ended where Hal pierced Alien X and probably end with Hal cutting off his head or something more grand perhaps.
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Okay, so let's say that Chronosapiens and ONLY Chronosapiens could sense the sotobro effect based off the episode it was mentioned in (thanks for episode for reference btw); I'll admit I was wrong to assume that that all time-travelling beings can sense it.
In the DC universe, there are only two methods of time-travel, just to dumb it down for my sake: Superpowers or an External Device. For example, the Flash and the many, many speeders of DC are able to time-travel (partly due to their connections to the speed force but it's not an exact science), however, time machines and other devices can also perform the same feat and the Green Lantern Rings can be considered in this category.
I bring this up because the podcast seems to lump Hal's method of time-travel the same as the Flash's method of time-travel; stating that because Hal could move fast enough to travel across the universe to reach over the speed of light (knowing that there are other ways for a Green Lantern to travel galaxy to galaxy aside) that Ben/Alien X/the Omnitrix could not react fast enough stop him.
Reaction speeds aside, why did they think Hal travelling back in time was a feat of speed instead of it's own thing? Technically speaking, he's not moving fast at all to justify Ben's inaction. Also what's to stop Alien X from dragging Hal back to the present, Ben's familiar enough with time-travel to tell exactly what GL was doing.
I would like some evidence that the Omnitrix wouldn't be able to do anything to stop Ben's hand from being decapitated or the Omnitrix reattaching Ben's severed hand via alien transformations (I know this is theoretical but I feel it warrants some exploration)
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Sort of on the ball but not entirely correct. It’s kind of complicated due to the nature of a Green Lantern ring (and writers not giving two shits about anything). Green Lantern rings are kind of both Superpowers and an external device, since they are dependent on the willpower of the person/the Emotional Spectrum (think the Electromagnetic spectrum but with Emotions with the exception of White and Black which represent Life and Death Respectively, which aren’t emotions but I digress because Green Lantern Willworld has the Guardians of Oa reveal that Imagination and Willpower are also fundamental forces of the universe as well, which is what the Rings draw upon).
Green Lantern Willworld: 2.bp.blogspot.com/zibLdgtSa99c…
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There’s also the recent thing where Rebirth Hal Jordan with a plane construct goes into the Speed Force itself to catch up the New Gods Lightray and Highfather (albeit he did struggle and nearly dissipated from reality at first until he catches up with them):
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There’s also the fact that certain abilities and certain machines can replicate each others powers to an extent. Think Amazo or Worlogog I guess, in which the former can copy the abilities/superpowers of multiple superpowers and machines, including the Green Lantern Rings as well as absorb the latter, and the latter being a machine that allows people to manipulate an infinite amount of timelines (an external device) but also is sort of a device that IIRC empowered Extant and was filled with the same Source Wall energy that the New Gods and the Godwave-created pantheons are derived from, and where they get their superpowers.
^ Shorter version of what I’m saying is that Green Lanterns are kind of ambiguously in the middle of those two “categories” and that GL rings have shown the ability to somewhat mimic speed force users (not to the same extent but not my point). and even at least on one occasion go into the speed force itself. I’m not saying they can manipulate time in the same way as Speedsters do.
That’s the thing tho. There aren’t really many other ways Green Lanterns are shown traveling from galaxy to galaxy, it’s often either Hyperspace, just purely by traveling there “manually”, or through some other means where they turn into a ball of energy of some sort. And we see them travel those ridiculously large distances.
1st example;
i.imgur.com/QPj2Xr0.jpg (Source: Green Lanterns #22)
2nd example: See below with Hal Jordan’s construct feat. As well as this: i.imgur.com/ioiuM67.jpg and this: imgur.com/LOHctBe[Sources : I don’t remember and I don’t care at the moment because I’m busy, I’ll find it later]
3rd example (forgot the issue number, it’s also sort of evidence for the 2nd example as well going by Guy Gardener’s statement)
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And other examples of scaling to other things like GL Kyle Rayner keeping up with a Black Lantern ring, which can match the Flash [imgur.com/a/nBFibw3] (Source: Green Lantern Corps (2006) #39), and vibrating like the Flash [imgur.com/a/Ou04Gli] , Source: Identity Crisis #2.
And we see that their rings allow you to move roughly comparable to their capacity to travel, evidenced by Kyle Rayner catching a photon with his construct. And by this statement about the ring “automatically” moving it’s wielder from danger.
imgur.com/a/XY9dTGm [Source: JLA (1997) #19]
Hal Jordan should easily be comparable to Kyle as he’s beaten people Kyle has struggled against, and has fought the same enemies as Kyle.
Hal Jordan himself also has speed feats such as this: vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vs…
Onus is on the person claiming that Ben and the Omnitrix can react to those speeds or do anything about it in a reasonable enough timeframe to save Ben’s life. Or from Hal just destroying the Omnitrix itself. Or that Alien X can actually react in that timeframe (which it hasn’t).
As for why they thought it was a feat of speed, it’s probably because of that scan where Hal Jordan (in a 60s-70s Comic Issue it seems) “stretches a nanosecond into eternity”. Which can be interpreted as like both time travel and a speed thing. So technically speaking time travel equating to speed is up to interpretation. I don’t recall the “time manipulation” feats barring the one I mentioned being the reason that Hal was considered faster. So aside idk fully where that notion of yours is coming from I guess?
My point being that the evidence is present for what they claimed, that there already is a (albeit pretty damn vague) connection between the two powers.
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Took me a while to get through all of that, but here to give my closing thoughts. Firstly, some of the links you sent do not work. Second, what would that entail that the emotional spectrum is a fundamental force of the universe?
You still need a way to tap into it.
I still think the ring should be considered as a external device that grants the user the power to turn mind into matter; to have it be a mixture of the two is really lazy writing in my opinion but you mentioned that yourself.
Besides out of all the links you showed me, I haven't seen an instance where Hal could create constructs with out it.
However Now that I see it, I can sorta believe a lot of BS Death Battle been spouting about Hal Jordan and the capabilities of the ring. (just wished they weren't so pretentious towards Ben 10 fans)
HOWEVER, this doesn't change the fact that the episode in of itself has multiple instances of the hosts contradicting their own arguments, How Alien X was misrepresented, and the simple fact that the Hal Jordan they used was a amalgamation/Composite of multiple Hal Jordan's in the DC Universe; each with their own strengths and weaknesses. At the same time Ben stayed the same. If the fight was going to be fair, why not use Ben 10,000 (30+ Year Ben)?
And before you say it, YES I know Ben 10,000 is a constantly changing character within the canon with the changes to the Ben 10 timeline and all so I'm only speaking theoretically on this. But since the show likes to bring these characters at their strongest point, Ben's older self is Ben at his peak condition. With the ability to fuse any two aliens he wants to get the best of both worlds, Ben would be a force to be reckon with. Not saying he would win but at least there is no BS or room to question the results.
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They work for me so w/e i guess. Unless you want to specifically point out which links don’t work. But judging by the fact that this is your closing statement I guess you don’t want to talk about it. That’s fine. It is getting old now.
Second, what would that entail that the emotional spectrum is a fundamental force of the universe
> Due to the fact that it is literally a spectrum that is shown to be a fundamental part of everyone’s emotions:
Supergirl Comic Box Commentary: Supergirl And The Emotional Spectrum
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^Source: Superman: Blackest Night Issues 1 and 2
And
2.bp.blogspot.com/HGqJprRsrbQX… (Source: Geoff Johns Teen Titans #88)
and that just one of the emotions on the spectrum (willpower) is literally stated to be “the building blocks of Creation” by the Guardians and has been shown to do things like resurrect the dead and create life (Green Lantern Quarterly for the first one and a New 52 GL story for the latter where Hal’s constructs become sentient:
GL Quarterly #7:
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Scan of the other one;
Seems pretty clear cut that the Spectrum a fundamental force of the universe and every living thing in the universe.
You still need a way to tap into it.
> Which the GLs have.
I still think the ring should be considered as a external device that grants the user the power to turn mind into matter;
> Your opinion. But as far as I see it what I said doesn’t really 100% contradict this. It is a device that grants the user “mind over matter” it’s also powered by said emotions and mind itself. And that said emotions intrinsically are now a part of the Cosmology.
to have it be a mixture of the two is really lazy writing in my opinion but you mentioned that yourself.
> I was more implying that it was incoherent rather than lazy. Not that Ben 10 doesn’t have this as well lol.
Besides out of all the links you showed me, I haven't seen an instance where Hal could create constructs with out it.
> Don’t see how this matters as it’s still powered by his emotions, and my point was never to prove that he could create constructs without it. If you meant something else like Willpower Mode where he existed as a construct? That’s referring to this I guess;
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However Now that I see it, I can sorta believe a lot of BS Death Battle been spouting about Hal Jordan and the capabilities of the ring.
> Isn’t really “BS” when the scans at least somewhat support it. Barring personal interpretation but Ben 10 fans are just as guilty of that if not more so for both.
(just wished they weren't so pretentious towards Ben 10 fans)
> Have you seen how most Ben 10 fans are like when it comes to Vs Debating. I’m surprised how someone DOESN’T condescend to them.
HOWEVER, this doesn't change the fact that the episode in of itself has multiple instances of the hosts contradicting their own arguments,
> You’ll have to point them out for me. Can’t see much in the way of contradiction.
How Alien X was misrepresented,
> Don’t really agree to be frank. Unless you mean depiction (like him talking) but if anything going by feats it’s correct.
and the simple fact that the Hal Jordan they used was a amalgamation/Composite of multiple Hal Jordan's in the DC Universe; each with their own strengths and weaknesses.
> The comics sort of indicate that Hal Jordan is “the same guy” across multiple eras for the most part. At best you can argue that they only used two versions of Hal Jordan but even he implied prior to Convergence and Rebirth that the Parallax Hal Pre-Flashpoint was “the same Hal” just changed. And that was PRIOR to Rebirth/Hal Jordan and The Green Lantern Corps & the previous War if the Lanterns revealing that the events of Zero Hour apply for Post-Flashpoint GL history.
There’s a few comics that indicate that Pre-Crisis events and Post-Crisis events happened for the same GLs, or that at least these events relevant to each other in all continuities (which is were DB got that interpretation from, because it’s technically not wrong). And a similar thing applies to Prime Earth Hal at the very least Post-Convergence (where Parallax Hal goes back in time with Brainiac, Current Superman, and Pre-Crisis Supergirl to supposedly “undo” the original Crisis).
So yes by their standards and by DC current fucked up continuity it is not really an amalgamated version.
Even if you so separate the two Hal’s, there’s still the fact that Post-Flashpoint Hal Jordan in general still benefits from his fights against Dawnbreaker and also against Parallax Hal, whom both have fought (Green Lantern 2011 Issue #50).
Example for Pre-Crisis Hal continuity being equivalent or at least relevant to Post-Crisis continuity:
> The Kilowog scan they used
> Green Lantern #200 explicitly has Hal Himself and the narration mention the original COIE,
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meaning he remembers it as the other dudes who were affected by the Original Crisis timeline wise forgot everything. And to further support the point his comic was released one year AFTER the original Crisis on Infinite Earths (1986), and he literally sees the original Flash Barry Allen’s Ghost, as he “died” (temporarily) during the Crisis
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Guy Gardener also mentions that he and the other GLs “saved the universe” the comic boxes put a little star for the reader to see GL#196 for reference. And John Stewart also mentions the Anti-Monitor and the Crisis: 2.bp.blogspot.com/WMftih7ou5gI…
And it also mentions that Hal received his ring “in Crisis #9”: 2.bp.blogspot.com/cZjkk8E0TBwr…
Example for Rebirth and Post-Flashpoint:
Wrath of the First Lantern (Post-Flashpoint story arc—albeit scans are out of order), has GL Corps explicitly have the events of Post-Crisis Hal Jordan shown and recorded down in their book.
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Morrison’s current “the Green Lantern” Series has Hal Jordan undercover as a Blackstar throw in a mythology gag and allude to Parallax Hal by calling himself “Blackstar Parallax”.
And finally, Convergence having Parallax Hal Jordan travel back in time to help stop the Anti-Monitor alongside others.
2.bp.blogspot.com/-4_eJR5cRIqI… (Source: Convergence #8)
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Supported by Superman: Lois and Clark, the continuation of Convergence #8:
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Also Supported by these scans, where Geoff Johns states that he believes that this is basically the same universe/Multiverse undergoing a transformation or cycle of birth and rebirth.
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Source: Justice League #40
There’s also some retconned shit in Doomsday Clock where Doctor Manhattan implies that the current DC continuity/universe is essentially supposed to be the version as some sort of “Classic” continuity and all the other versions afterwards, and that he was around when the original Crisis happened as well, but that was changing the universe by changing when Superman arrived on Earth.
People can deny it all they want but Death Battle’s depiction holds weight. The other side justice
FYI the GL weaknesses are more or less the same in all mainstream iterations/interpretations as far as Pre-Flashpoint and Post-Flashpoint Lanterns are concerned.
“At the same time Ben stayed the same.”
Not entirely true really.
> We have a current Reboot for Ben 10
> There have been multiple Retcons with just the one continuity, arguably making these versions so different as to be “separate character”. Same argument can go both ways for Ben 10.
If the fight was going to be fair, why not use Ben 10,000 (30+ Year Ben)?
> Tbh I’m still kind of backing Hal personally even over Ben 10,000. Ben 10,000 hasn’t really impressed me relative to Hal Jordan via feats. [EDIT: At least in terms of what was allowed for Hal anyway. No real 100% objective or valid method exists when it comes to the “versions” of these mainstream comic characters, and before you say “doesn’t that contradict what you said before”? No it doesn’t; because my point was basically that it’s alright to do, not that it is 100% valid. You can also just separate it by writer or by era like others do but even then that ALSO isn’t 100% valid].
And before you say it, YES I know Ben 10,000 is a constantly changing character within the canon with the changes to the Ben 10 timeline and all so I'm only speaking theoretically on this.
> Same Issue with DC characters even within one canon, or whatever Frankenstein mess of a canon they have now. Only thing I may sort of agree it’s is that Ben 10,000 should have been used if we want the “strongest version” of Ben 10 maybe. Though I don’t think it would change much of anything
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They did not use a composite Hal Jordan lol. I’ve already shown this multiple times. Crisis on Infinite Earths did not affect the Green Lanterns, as they—including Hal Jordan—constantly reference the Crisis by word.
Similar deal with Rebirth. The GLs constantly reference enemies like Superboy-Prime, New Gods, Anti-Monitor, and Parallax alongside Relic. And recently in the Morrison series Hal mentions how Superman changed across the so-called “continuities”
In any case, even if you separate all the “versions” arbitrarily: A) The versions would still scale to each other and B) they still all have better feats than Alien X. Simple as that.
Kuro doesn’t know a single thing about Hal or DC beyond googling shit. He even admitted as such on a tweet. So what he says is irrelevant.
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“I will not debate you on this one...”
Concession accepted then lol
>Echo Echo
>Even being used against the likes of a Green Lantern that is massively inferior to Hal Jordan.
Tbh most of Ben 10 aliens feat-wise (barring Feedback, Clockwork, and Alien X....all of them harboring on one or two feats at the most) would be lucky to get past mid-metahuman Tier Marvel and DC characters. Let alone high end “Herald”-tiers.
“Have them all transform into different transformation and overwhelm Hal”.
> Highly unlikely or improbable at best. Especially when like a good 90% of the Aliens don’t have the feats to keep up.
*Snip of an argument that basically translates to “Oh but they have this kewl new ability*
Okay but like the whole premise of a GL ring is that they do whatever the user allows them to. Including exotic abilities and hax....that comes with actual feats lol. You don’t actually want to debate so I won’t get into the literal plethora of hax GLs have shown throughout the years so whatever.
Also
> Literally commenting on an old-AF thread.
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No one underestimated Ben. If anything he’s overestimated.
Your whole thing is just the same drivel Ben fans use all the time lol. A low end (and do you want me to bring up all the low ends Ben has that are even less impressive than jobbing to Batman?) involving Batman, a character who is considered to have a shit ton of “plot armor” who everyone jobs to when the shouldn’t. Not only that,
A) you’re using a Hal Jordan who at that point was a rookie in his career, and not Hal at his best.
B) Hal literally summons the ring in the same scene
C) Regardless of Batman “not having any powers”. What Batman can do is not relevant to what Ben can do, regardless of how much “plot armor” he has or otherwise.
“Alien X is a 5th dimension warping entity”
Not stated or implied anywhere within the franchise. That’s just headcanon. And even if it was it’s not enough to rate him higher than Hal.
“Like he can erase you before you can even blink”
>Green Lanterns can resist existence erasure for one. And Hal has already fought those kinds of beings before and has survived and won.
The literal exact same arguments that have been addressed before. Lol
Edit: Also, “having ways to win” is not enough. The point is who could win the most amount of times in most scenarios.
Think of it like this; Multiple cherrypicked methods that Ben has to “win”—which even then often just involve like not understanding either character—all amount to 1/10 ways for Ben to win, compared to Hal‘s 9/10 ways.
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It's fine batman may have plot armor but he still did it
> Hal also still has faced beings stronger than Alien X and...basically anything the Ben10verse has via feats and is still > his other transformations. And if you want to play that “bu-but-he still did it tho!!1!!!!” that can just be used to prove Batman is hilariously fast in comparison to Ben 10 as well if you want to play the “plot armor or not it still happened” rule, that would benefit Batman more than Ben. It goes both ways lol.
and true hal was mostly knew but batman a mere human still snuck it off.
> Batman’s not “just a mere human” plot or otherwise. (even tho he only did it when Hal wasn’t concentrating and wasn’t actually trying to fight him and it doesn’t really work in the context of a fight but I digress). So this is more of the same intentional ignorance regarding DC “mere humans” actually having feats that would qualify as superhuman IRL
Ben could just reality warp the ring off
> I already answered that GLs can resist reality warping, meaning that is not likely to happen. Evidenced by the likes of Kilowog surviving the Crisis. Also, X has no feats that indicate he is that precise in the context of a fight. And I bet all you are gonna do is rely on the same nonsense shit.
or use alien x with a lot his other transformation to help him win.
> Lmao more drivel that I already refuted. Featwise his other transformations don’t amount to much.
So overall i see Ben winning more often then not
> Sounds like a you problem.
but I can also see green lantern wins some rounds.
>*Most rounds
Honestly I personally just wish db just did a nova vs green lantern since both are more similar not in terms of power but in terms of concept and would have been more interesting fight.
> Irrelevant to the conversation. Either actually tell me something new and stop using these boring points on a month old or don’t @ me. Or block me. Lol I don’t care.
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Just because green lantern fought superboy prime doesn't mean he would win since
> Strawman. I never mentioned Superboy Prime at all. [Tho you can make a case for fractional scaling for Hal since he actually hurt Superboy Prime and survived a punch from a Superboy Prime that isn’t holding back. But that’s not relevant because, as I said before, I’m not talking about Superbitchboy Prime]
that's like saying well the supreme kai fought majin buu and can beat goku during that time sure supreme kai fought buu but he's not on that level.
> This example makes no sense in this context and is insufficient. Depending on how well he fought Buu, Supeeme Kai CAN get scaling regardless of whether he’s on this ambiguous idea of a “level”.
Gl fought prime with help but that does not put him on that level.
> Not talking about Prime.
In terms another thing ben can use alien x as distraction
> Before or aftee Hal speedblitzes Alien X with his faster feats and scaling? Or after X’s personalities finally come to a relevant decision that means something?
and with the clones
> The clones are ez to get rid of tbh. Hal being > power wise is enough. What’s stopping him from just unleashing an expanding field of energy or an omnidirectional blast that can literally just annihilate all the clones at once? Only reason why the clones (I’m assuming you mean Alien X’s clones) were even effective was because he was aware of how a Celestialsapien’s and thus the Galactic Gladiator’s, mind works. And how it is intrinsically tied to their ability to utilize their powers. He won’t know anything about how Hal’s powers work because he has no context to how Hal’s powers work. Inb4 “muh Omnitrix scan”
i mention earlier use one of them to get upgrade to get close to the ring to disable it.
> Literally multiple reasons why this won’t do much:
A) GL rings have resisted technological control before through their willpower
B) Hal’s ring is now made out of his own willpower
C) GL speeds are generally faster.
Not only that, but that’s just speculation on how the Omnitrix’s ability to change between aliens has been shown to work. Which goes against what the franchise has shown us, even when it comes to Ben 10,000. Omnitrix does not work exactly in that way as it’s being assumed.
Lolz i said I didn't feel like debating and I ended doing just that. We can keep going in circles or you want to agree to disagree.
> I’ll agree to disagree.
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Your persistence i will give you that.
> *You’re persistent.
In terms of debating power I'm not the best but i believe ben can generally beat green lantern and their is nothing that saids it's impossible for him to a win off.
> First part of this is just reiterating the same opinion lol. Not even sure what you mean by your second point because no one is saying it’s strictly “impossible”.
I generally hate death battle because they often to get stuff wrong like how they said no outside help but then give batman beyond outside help against spiderman 2099 with Bruce helping terry
> They have a different and fluid definition of “outside help” to be honest. And tbf them allowing that is consistent with them allowing Otacon and Grim in Solid Snake vs Sam Fisher. That’s not a case of them being “wrong” as much as it is them not having the best way of defining their rules, going against their own rules, and their being no such thing as an 100% fair system of rules when you try to compare characters from two different fictions.
when in that mask battle they have the mask nuke deadpool in order to win but in the comics deadpool has survived a nuke being dropped on him in so much more.
> Mask won primarily due to scaling to Lobo and a continent level yield from their clash (never mind them fucking up a solar system in that same crossover). But that’s an issue with how they treat canon for characters that don’t have an established canon like The Mask. You’ll have to take that up with them, as well as the writers of those comics. I’m impartial towards that battle.
Look I get it you believe gl to wins but honestly their are ways for ben to win to win as well.
> Why do you think repeating the same thing is gonna get anywhere with me?
Do you honestly think death battle is right 100 percent of the time.
> Cool presumption dude. I never said that they were. Also association fallacy. Even if they were wrong most of the time that doesn’t automatically invalidate everything they said or make this specific battle wrong. Not only that but I was arguing for Hal before the result of the battle came out.
And as many people said nothing is 100 percent concrete especially in versus battles.
> This cop out pops up again.
If that’s the case then I guess you really shouldn’t hate them for getting so many things wrong. After all, nothing is 100% concrete again. Do I have to send the “L” gif again?
If you want to continue just comment again but either i will just stop caring or i will just link a random ben 10 scaleing video.
> You can link as many random YT oriented Ben 10 scaling videos from NoobTube all you want. reading DC comics + watching Ben 10 = forming my own stance. Simple.
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I know you have supposedly “formed your own stance”. What’s the point of even mentioning that aside from trying to clap back with some knee jerk reaction to my comment?
>More NoobTube
This ain’t it chief
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Lmao just block me if you are going to post second rate YouTube scaling videos.
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Lmao. Based on what? You just claiming it is? Give me an actual well thought out example instead of these half-baked responses. In any case, scaling for Ben 10 doesn’t prove a thing.
“The moment you stop commenting is the moment I stop”
Sounds like you never actually wanted to have an actual discussion. Typical of a Ben 10 supporter really. I wish I could say differently and that it’s just my opinion, but honestly it seems to all be objectively the same. No actual attempt at integrity.
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Pot calling kettle black. You initiated the discussion. If you want to move on, you don’t post a link right after I claim I don’t care for your NoobTube videos. It’s on you to stop the discussion and move on. You don’t say “I want to stop the discussion” and then link “evidence” (more just a Youtubers interpretation of the evidence rather than anything else). Then again considering these responses indicative of a lower level life form, I can’t say I’m totally surprised. Anyway, I’m planning on blocking you to end this one-sided charade of a conversation (typical of the amoeba who support Ben 10 in this discussion), put unfortunately I have to wait 48 hours to do so according to this blasted site. Hence why I’m asking you to block me.
Lol
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It is you who’s trying to get the last word tho. Objectively speaking.
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You either misread the comment or are just deliberately trolling at this point.
*sigh* Do you Americans have like, nothing better to do? Or do you just waste your education watching YT videos all day? Instead of learning how parrot YT, how about you actually debate or think critically yourself?
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I’ll just continue what I said before with my “concession accepted” post from before
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Note: Since DA won’t allow me to edit I’ll just post the sentient scans here:
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Context: Not a usual thing the GL rings do and Hal accidentally created them when he wielded Krona’s Gauntlet. Which he later destroys the being called Cataclysm created from said Gauntlet.
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