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AielloA [2015-02-11 11:01:12 +0000 UTC]
I have to say, this story is pretty awesome. I'm tempted to write my own story set in Aiers now, but I really shouldn't until I get some more work done on the other stories I've already started...
I wouldn't say no to a cameo from Carrion, though!
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AielloA In reply to theirishdreamer [2015-02-11 12:27:50 +0000 UTC]
Well, it's not that much of a stretch, really... Carrion's "flavor text" had her in the northwestern parts of Polforia, so it's perfectly feasible that she could have met Ks'nbosh there. I also think it would be hilarious for her to have a (one-sided) rivalry with Dell, for that matter. I mean, think of the possibilities ;D
Also an intelligent Ozcura would be as powerful a blow against racial stereotypes as a literate Orcish Shaman.
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theirishdreamer In reply to Walt-Marsters [2015-02-09 20:04:00 +0000 UTC]
Well I've been reading your stories and decided 'hell lets go the full domestication route with Skallgard', they'll have a large population of slaves (mostly women, girls and younger boys) and alot of needs as the usual animals (horses, oxen, wargs, dogs, etc) are all necessary war materials and a) taken for the invasion (as such vital vs slaves who ain't) and b) lost in significant numbers post invasion for a decade of two
So you have non-human species in need of all the roles we use animals for combined with large slave populations pre and post invasion. Its a logical progression for Skallgard to go the route of using human and elves to fill in the gaps as pets, horses, ratpack, etc. So just start apply twisted versions of actual animal training techniques plus a way for some slaves to get 'out' of slavery and you've got a functional frontier society built for long war.
Well from Ks'nbosh point of view humans are definitely the bad guys. Ks'nbosh is willing to allow some humans free if they are Dark Legion loyalists, or as slaves like Alislave even while he treats even his 'livestock' well, they resisted and have evil goals after all. Remember Humanity is pretty genocidal from the Orcish point of view, rarely enslaving or offering terms. In Aiers from Ks'nbosh POV humanity, and all his friends and associates, are very clearly the bad guys.
And as you said its a very mixed blessing as this chapter (and the next probably using the 'entertainments') shows clearly, especially for freeborn women and especially high noblewomen. For Myrtle though, and many peasant girls the change in circumstances might not be massive, her life is hard but not much harder than when a serf.
A lady knight though....that would be a blow going from the rider to the mount. I'll do a Pov on the campaign t somepoint for a Lady Knight as one of Rheas'ur's chariot horseys.
Glad your enjoying!
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Walt-Marsters In reply to theirishdreamer [2015-02-09 20:17:05 +0000 UTC]
It is in any case a very practical use of the human slaves. One, Laisha would approve of. This development might be speeded up by the necesity of using whatever true animals remain as livestock for the upcoming difficult winters. So they wouldn't be available for work. And Laisha doesn't relish the thought of humans being eaten. Even though they are not much more than animals in her view, eating just seems so ... barbaric.
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theirishdreamer In reply to Walt-Marsters [2015-02-09 20:26:28 +0000 UTC]
Yeah not a bad idea for her as with probable post invasion chaos it'd be years before 'normal' war material livestock would be restored (and by then the culture could be in place of just use humans/elves for the non-eating roles). Actually cattle then would be the major ones owing to providing milk (you could theoretically supplement with human women there and maybe wargs?) and meat, the two more useful food-supplies.
Plus humans are intelligent, eating a useful work force would be....wasteful. Maybe it'd be like delicacy or something from gladiator fights for 'high society' demons, it'd be pragmatical concession from someone like her.
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Walt-Marsters In reply to theirishdreamer [2015-02-09 21:00:22 +0000 UTC]
Yes, maybe. But she would never eat human flesh herself. That's something she would consider more suitable for orcs or gobline. Not succubae.
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theirishdreamer In reply to Walt-Marsters [2015-02-09 21:03:53 +0000 UTC]
Sorry said that badly. More-so I meant for her subordinates of her kingdom that'd be Orcs' etc. Though her opinions would probably 'rub off' on them as their Queen and practice might be looked down upon as 'uncouth' like with the Galaw.
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larqven [2015-02-09 17:38:02 +0000 UTC]
Another meeting with Queen Laisha? One surprise meeting went very well. Hopefully a second one will also.
Interesting new character in the addition of Myrtle, or Mrrrrt! The having to run away from goblins on a farm setting was very interesting and pithy! It gives a very good indication of what living in a Polforian colony would be like for those farmers out there. It was also interesting hearing of Myrtle running to the city of Roccasone before the fall. Signs of war and distress ought to have been quite visible, but the city was on a 'lockdown from reality'. The escape behind the walls of Roccasone became a bad joke to poor Myrtle.
Now she gets to become a riding horse. She still has some spirit--but attitude. Myrtle seems to be well conditioned to obey, but shows signs of disobedience and rebellion potentials? It makes me worry about the races?
Tying arms back makes sense for security, but it does steal some speed and efficiency from running performance. Swinging one's arms when running is not insignificant. Having her arms free enough to 'pump' when running would make sense. Maybe with her hands gloved and padded, and the arms strapped to prevent full extension of the arm?
In any case, the conditioning exercises were interesting and made sense. It's nerve racking to even think about. It's one thing to run, even to run great distances, on a track. It's quite another to run with a weight on the back, over countryside, and jumping over stuff! Myrtle must be a strong girl indeed!
Looks like training outside isn't so sanguine? Well, a hospital train isn't meant to go looking for trouble, but as it is said, what if trouble finds them!? These recruits will never make front line soldiers, but they'll have to be able to stare down and fend off skirmishers. At least getting a tough test now will make the real thing less terrifying, and the new soldiers less likely to break in a catastrophic fashion.
Interesting how Ks'nbosh lost track of time in the testing of Mrrrt. He needs the riding horse system to work, if it doesn't work here, it will break down in the field. Plus, it has to work on a race, and the race will be important.
But as Ks'nbosh suggests, much to Dell's unhappiness at being left out or missing funny games, he has so much to do, and not a lot of time to do it in. Meeting the big boss of Skallgard is not to be taken lightly.
It also sounds like a lot of supplies and drug components are approaching exhaustion as well?
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theirishdreamer In reply to larqven [2015-02-09 18:13:42 +0000 UTC]
Well its less a 'meeting' for Ks'bosh than a 'Gala' or reception for various warlords being invited to watch various races and gladiatorial battles while Laisha tries to judge their threat or usefulness. Ks'nbosh is there with Merrick as the 'horse trainer' for the warlord. Basically a show of Merrick having a 'look at what I can do', winning the race being a optional bonus for bragging rights, while Ks'nbosh can go 'Look at my training services! Buys!' . There's benefits of course if Ks'nbosh can just make himself seem as useful to 'high-society'. Also why he's leaving potential dangers (Dell, Alislave, Dunwelf) away from such an event.
Yeah Myrtle has had an unfortunate life, but then again peasant life in the real Crusader states was often like that, especially towards the end. And when states like that start to go down a sense of collective delusion seems to creep in just before the Fall. I'm sure people noticed the cracks but preferred to ignore them, Myrtle though is just a simple country girl fleeing terror to the Big City, she'd not understand the veneer vs the reality with only a few days exhausted living in the city. In many ways her life was a bad joke, everything always going wrong.
She's not broken, merely docile and conditioned with some Pavlovian responses (hence the blindfolded training getting gradually more complex and controlling over the weeks) and Ks'nbosh is doing a 'rough and ready' training program, he'd prefer a 2-3 month training period but only has half that at best. But she'll not cause trouble owing to seeming to be pointless for her. In many ways she's the test bed for the 'horseys', owing to her already existent strengths (she's a medieval farm girl on the frontier vs Alison, posh city girl) which allow less 'muscle building' vs the other girls, she's just the strongest.
As is the harness, Ks'nbosh is willing to sacrifice some speed and efficiency at the moment to ensure compliance and security at the moment till he and Matty 'learn' better harness design and a more efficient design will probably arrive in time! I'm open to suggestions on a secure but efficient version?
Nerve-racking and uncomfortable but doable from history (Irish Army in 40's did 40 pound pack quick marches over 44-miles in 11 hours at one stage), humans are THE ultimate endurance runner especially a fit healthy girl like Myrtle with such slow build training. It's why it has uses as a message runner. One big advantage Ks'nbosh might have in the race is he takes training and the idea seriously unlike several of his competitors I'd suspect (some of whom likely just want to torment former young noblewomen before Laisha). And Ksny is focused on getting things 'working' on the practice field with a few weeks to fix any issues than risk it in the field after all. As the apprentices show, some things work and others less so.
Yeah while rear areas that doesn't mean no fighting, alot of areas will be bypassed or besieged as the Dark Legion advances and resistance forces and skirmishers are always a danger as you said. And Dunwelf in full 'battle-mode' even with wooden weapon is as terrifying as it gets!
And yeah sales are good but some ingredients for the 'popular but non-essential' drugs would be getting strained owing to Ks'nbosh's rapid, mass produced strategy, also demand is outstripping Ksny's production. He'll probably replace the essentials (and kept the rare stuff from the school) for the medical and veterinary services as they leave.
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larqven In reply to theirishdreamer [2015-02-09 19:20:28 +0000 UTC]
I suppose that Myrtle might be happy to compete against high class girls as well? That's one way she'd try and do her best beyond just avoiding punishment at the race. Yeah, I'm sure that she has many advantages, even without being drugged? I wonder if that's allowed?
Some former lady knights or such might make stiff competition for her? But they may not have the advantages of a better system!
"Hey! No fair! That horse's tack is designed to actually work!" I could imagine someone exclaiming.
Maybe the arms could be secured with thong straps attached to leather cuffs at the elbows, and anchored to the corset? The elbow needs to have the freedom to swing back and forth and in opposition to each other, so that leaves binding the arms together out. It would be impossible to raise the arms up very far, or to throw any sort of proper punch. Although an arm could swing about a smack a short goblin in the face? Another strap running from the front of the corset to the wrist or mid-forearm where the arm starts to really widen several cm up from the wrist might prevent unexpected jabs going to the side?
Maybe about 30cm of strap along the side of the corset securing the elbow, and 35cm of strap at the front going to the forearm might allow arm use without being able to punch or use the arms for anything other than running? Hands being secured in padded mittens, and elbow cuff being padded to prevent elbowing either accidental or intentional?
Come to think of it, a free knee and foot is going to be a greater threat anyway, than a fist or elbow with any sort of inhibition.
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theirishdreamer In reply to larqven [2015-02-09 19:48:53 +0000 UTC]
Yeah Myrtle wouldn't have any unhappy thoughts against highborn girls, between the reward offered of even fruit and stuff plus the 'reward' of putting rich girls 'in their place' would encourage her significantly even without the training. She won't be drugged, at least not with the 'energy drink' anyway as unlike the girls harnessed to the carts she has significant freedom of movement even while under control, as Neiri showed even when locked in place between wooden bars the 'wonder drug' sends the horsey into a barey controlled frenzy. I'm sure its allowed though and Ks'nbosh has sold such potions before......but would another rider be able to control his mount after using it...
Myrtle could have some competition, its a relatively 'open' even bar it being two legged saddles (and probably a few fancily trussed up as it high-society) but as you said the fact Ks'nbosh takes it seriously and isn't cruel deliberatly is an advantage. For example Rhonda. She's perfectly capable of entering a 'horsey' with relatively sensible harness and controls but would feel the need to add painful or humiliating attachments to the mount for her amusement that would impede the girls overall speed (like piercings or straps). For some the 'entertainment' is more important than the winning at the moment. Its a few, like Laisha, Ks'nbosh and a few others who are interested in the long term practical applications.
Hmmm...that kind of restraint could work, its about restricting the mounts capacity to resist and force it to follow the will of the rider obediently. With padded hands and such restraints freeing itself from the harness would be incredibly difficult. Perhaps on campaign...
THe feet and knees are dangerous but between bridal/bit holding the head in place and arms secured the threat of resistance is lowered significantly. Even 'making break for it' is badly restricted by the combination and the blinders as Myrtle shows here - she's very dependent on the rider for directions beyond immediately in front of her. To the 'horsey' the rider is effectively god controlling their vision, direction and even body functions from walking to running.
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larqven In reply to theirishdreamer [2015-02-09 20:32:19 +0000 UTC]
Also controlling urinating and such, I've noticed. 'Marking Territory'! LoL
A little goblin telling Myrtle to "Go Pee." And she does, almost automatically after awhile. Maybe even having a hard time doing it without the order? Grateful to be given the order, as without the ability to speak, she can't ask?
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theirishdreamer In reply to larqven [2015-02-09 20:52:26 +0000 UTC]
Yeah that's from Ks'nbosh, he pulled something similar with Alison after all at the start in he doggie phase. Basically so she's house broken, Mr-bitey-face wet inside the Den after all till trained. The Horror!
And that extends over to the 'horsey' training and his teachings to the riders. The little goblin basically starts to control Myrtle in totality as you said, as time goes by it becomes first routine, then necessary to be ordered to go. She can't speak (and is largely forbidden when not (rarely) with bit). Want to urinate or other? Whine maybe, wait for Master permission. Need water, beg its same. Have an itch? Tough luck arms bound. Feeling horny. Tough luck same. To her the goblin rider is the boss even when its not in the saddle, all necessary for a theoretically higher escape risk horsey than the others.
As time goes by Myrtle will start struggling with NOT being commanded when moving or what to do the longer harnessed. Plus Ks'nbosh wants (and probably later Laisha) wants properly house broken animals!
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theirishdreamer In reply to larqven [2015-02-09 21:56:10 +0000 UTC]
True as Myrtle noted about 'horrific but easy', Ks'nbosh largely offsets humiliation against pain in the training, as Myrtle was trained, first the constant nudity, then the simple commands and then greater commands like that. And that's only the 'prototype' of the system, as the more animistic and submissive she becomes the better her treatment and conditions become.
I'd suspect 'begging' would start getting creative as the campaign starts and a system for various things creeps in among the riders and mounts, after all the girls are essentially Wargs now and been 'ridden' by experienced Warg riders.
What type of system would Warg riders use to identify their mounts needs?
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larqven In reply to theirishdreamer [2015-02-09 23:06:10 +0000 UTC]
Wargs are 'dogs'. Dangerous dogs that could kill a poor goblin pretty easily. They'll be social and all, which is why they'll be trainable, and they have the benefit of being a mount that can fight and kill as well.
Myrtle and the girls are 'horses' a different sort of mount. They're slaves as opposed to wargs which operate off of a pack mentality. They'd be different relationships than the riding the wargs.
The whole idea of 'marking territory' makes different sense when wargs are the mounts, though. The urine serving to warn other sorts of wolves away from campsites or a desired route, or a means to follow a route laid down by a scout, encouraging his warg to urinate?
But that might be a difficult thing to train, out in the wild?
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theirishdreamer In reply to larqven [2015-02-09 23:23:22 +0000 UTC]
Its curious though while the girls will think of themselves as horses as many other will as well, but the goblins riding them would all be experienced Warg riders.
And as such would be focused on using their experiences with Warg bitches as their starting point for training (with Ks'nbosh's training helping) so they could possibly trained in packs with their riders forcing them to act warg-like in much their behaviours especially when in the stables/kennels and on the road. Hence the marking territory comments, Ksny is basing on Mr-bitey-face and the goblin on his training with Wargs.
And as Ks'nbosh and co. get more focused on the campaign the training will shift more into the hands of the riders (with the structure setup and monitored) who are laregly the boss of the women and girl 'horseys' or maybe better 'humargs'? so to the goblin riders their human warg 'bitches' (as in the female wolf sense) and should act as such. And they have to power to make them follow those behaviours.
So I'm trying to think on what the training measures would be in that regards? Any ideas?
Yeah they'd be difficult to train too (Wargs) as their dangerous wild animals but are like dogs in many ways and maybe trained as such?
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larqven In reply to theirishdreamer [2015-02-10 06:16:00 +0000 UTC]
I don't really know anything that you haven't already covered. Basically working one on one with one's 'dog'.
Maybe there is something to be learned in a dog training site? Particularly learning about police dogs might give some clues?
There are some major differences though. The warg might be subject to the goblin and be ridden by the goblin, but the warg is a collaborative and eager partner. A big difference is that a warg is going to not just carry the goblin, but also actively look for and sense dangers by eyes, ears, and nose. A warg will fight for its goblins. A challenge might be restraining and redirecting the warg's natural impulses to it acts on the directives of the goblin rider. But this is to run where it is directed, retreat, wait to attack when ordered.
A human horse is a slave that isn't acting in the same cooperative way. Has her senses and any offensive capabilities restrained. Warg riders are using their mounts to look for and engage trouble. Human horses will be using her running ability to carry messages without intending to get into offensive situations.
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theirishdreamer In reply to larqven [2015-02-10 09:36:23 +0000 UTC]
That is probably the best idea, see how dogs behave in a kennel and police dog/other similar dog training environment and mix it up with horse training.
That's true in the difference between the roles, one is active combat while the other is based on speed and endurance, and also to control them and prevent the escapes. Most likely kennelling them near the wargs and have the 'pack' familiarise themselves with the girls by sniffing combined with 'marking territory' regular in the wilds would be an added layer of security to prevent escape of an sort. Considering the differences the warg riders will find it an much more controlling riding situation with a more 'docile' mount after all.
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