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Legendary's a brute and a heavy hitter at melee while Shin is more dependent on ranged-based attacks, though they can still hit hard at close range.
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SHIN Goji will win cause it can do atomic rays on its tail and back/dorsal fins too!!!!!!
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based on what we've learned about Shin, Legendary is almost certainly the more durable of the two. Shin is harmed by admittedly heavy ordnance weapon and nukes are considered a very viable option, they just would rather not level the city. Legendary walked away from the most powerful nuclear warhead deteonation in history with minor scarring. Plus Legendary is probably able to fight longer, as Shin overheats in a relatively short period and it's implied that the MUTO fight lasted several hours. Shin's prob got the stronger beam, but since Legendary has only ever directed it at another kaiju it's difficult to be certain if it could function similarly to a laser.
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Lol, most powerful nuclear warhead in history? Uh, no. He was hit with Castle Bravo, I think that's 15 megatons? Ain't shit to the Tsar Bomba.
Shin would destroy Legendary Goji, unfortunately. Shin's constantly evolving physiology is a bitch to get around.
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I think you meant, "legendary would murder shin" given shin got a hole punched in him by a MOP and legendary shrugged of castle bravo.
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No, I know what I said. Legendary's breath is weaker than Shin's, Shin would be capable of tanking a shot from Legendary, the same cannot be said in reverse (at least that we have witnessed.)
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Dude, the most anyone has calced shin's breath at is in the kiloton range, that wont faze a creature that survived having castle bravo dropped on its back. Also, we cant say for sure if shin's breath is more powerful given two factors.
A) legendary's breath was weakened by the mutos EMP's
B) shin only ever fired on man made structures and vehicles, not other kaiju and we've never seen legendary fire on a building.
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Yeah, for the "start up" phase. Then all of the kiloton of energy is trained into a laser wherein the focusing of it makes it how much stronger? Shin's breath outdid Final War's by magnitudes of difference and Final Wars is, debatable, the strongest Godzilla baring Shin.
A) No it wasn't. that wouldn't even make sense. How did the EMP effect his ability to produce the breath?
B) And we can judge the amount of damage caused by it. How much collateral damage did it do?
When Legendary's hits MUTO, it doesn't do much else but hit MUTO.
When Shin's hits the ground, it destroys everything else. And then, as a laser, cuts through everything.
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A) actually, the kiloton calcs are for the laser phase.
B) outdid final wars? Ha. FW shattered a planet busting meteor, shin set a city on fire after several minutes of sustained fire.
C) it's explained in the novelization, that's why the muto cam do the emp slam. They evolved the ability to fight Godzilla.
D) his breath was soley concentrated on the muto vs shin who sweeped his breath at every and anything around him and it still took him quite a while to set a single city on fire.
So, yeah, the fight probably involves shin firing on legend to no effect (legend did take a direct hit from castle bravo and a continent cracking meteor), while legendary waltzes right up to shin and tears him apart with his claws and teeth.
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A) Lol, no it wasn't. Don't waste either of our time by lying.
B) Oh, the amount of incredulity in this section in particular. I got a few things to say about this:
Β 1) Final Wars bows his breath, it goes through some buildings before hitting its target. The time it takes for that breath to go through those buildings is much longer then the time it took Shin's breath to go through more buildings.
Β 2) You mention sustained fire but nothing on charge time? God damn, guy, ever try not using fallacious arguments?
C) Page number? Any cooperating evidence (wiki articles, even)? No? Just your word then? Okay.
D) As a great man once said, "Wrong, sir! Wrong!" You either haven't watch it or are blatantly lying about what it shows, either way allow me to alleviate that. Here is Shin Godzilla's breath [ www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpGK-H⦠] Shin Godzilla literally looks at his feet in the large frame it even shows Shin, as the fire envelops the entire city, not moving an inch. Stop being a lying shitlord. Or at least hide it better.
Legendary takes a direct hit from Shin's breath and dies. Or maybe lives to see the purple laser, then dies. And Legendary didn't tank a direct hit from the meteor, holy shit, it specifically tells you in the movie and in the fucking prequel comic that Godzilla and MUTOs dug underground to find higher sources of radiation. Fuck, I hate liars. Especially liars who know shit all about Godzilla. At least make your stupid lies less obvious.
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Damn, bitch, you mad?
A) not lying, to melt that much of building in that time frame requires energy measurable in kilotons.
B) bruh, final wars breath hit an asteriod that was going to shatter earth and put a hault to it.
C) the fuck does charge time have to do with this, he blasted his breath around a lot for several minutes.
D) uno momento.
E) did I ever say he moved? I said he opened fire on the city for several minutes and set everything on fire, not even reducing it to a crater or a leveling it as quite a bit of the scenery is still stand.
F) hah, the meteor was never mentioned in the movie, it was comic only and the muto from the film dont appear in the comics. Also, them going deep doesnt negate the fact that we see the asteriod heading for Godzilla, a massive explosion visible from space and then Godzilla falling down a massive chasm dug in the earths crust by the impact. This also doesn't answer the fact that he took castle bravo to the back and showed now wounds for it, unlike shin who got dropped to his knees by a conventional weapon.
So again, shin blasts legendary with his lasers, they reflect off and legendary bitch slaps shin's head free from his shoulders
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Okay, okay, this one part is so wrong, I can't let it go with that little spiel. Let me demonstrate my greatness by alleviating you of your ignorance point by point.
"hah, the meteor was never mentioned in the movie, it was comic only and the muto from the film dont appear in the comics. "
They mention the meteor theory in the film, when they are explaining Godzilla and the MUTO to Whatever main dude's name was while on the ship.
"Also, them going deep doesnt negate the fact that we see the asteriod heading for Godzilla, a massive explosion visible from space and then Godzilla falling down a massive chasm dug in the earths crust by the impact."
What you say wasn't what happened. The guy was explaining what happened and a visual was provided. He starts off with the ecosystem that has Godzilla, the alpha predator, hunting the parasite Shikamura (I think its name was) and this is visualized as an ancient fight between the two (which leads to), then he explains that the meteor that caused the Permian Extinction forced animals like Godzilla, Shikamura, and MUTO either underground or into the ocean and this is visualized as (the conclusion of the fight) as well as the earth being struck and Shikamura falling underground and Godzilla in the ocean. You're not being shown what actually happened but a representation of those events.
"This also doesn't answer the fact that he took castle bravo to the back and showed now wounds for it, unlike shin who got dropped to his knees by a conventional weapon."
1) Legendary was on the outer edge of the fireball, and since a nuke explodes in a sphere all the energy was carried out in every direction. Legendary only got hit by a small percentage of that energy. Shin's breath is, as we discovered, stronger than Castle Bravo. Castle Bravo had a total yield of 63 petajoules, that gets spread evenly over the whole explosion, which means less force applied per meter. Shin's breath is literally the exact opposite. It has greater energy over a smaller surface area. That's why is more dangerous, its more dangerous for the same reason dropping a telephone made of metal from the atmosphere is more dangerous than dropping a thousand tons from 1000 feet.
2) We're gonna talk about conventional weapons? Let's look at missiles. What happens when Shin is shot by hundreds of missiles? [ www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg_6Ef⦠] Oh, yeah, nothing. He doesn't flinch, doesn't slow down, doesn't have to turn his face away from them, I doubt he even notices any of them. What happens when Legendary is shot by missiles? [ www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYVuAl⦠] Oh, yeah, he screams, tries to protect his face, and is pushed through the bridge. Wanna talk about conventional weapons? Wanna? Shin didn't get hurt by missiles, more missiles, Legendary was pushed by by missiles, less missiles. Wanna talk about conventional weapons?
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a) I could believe that theory if we didn't see details the doc did not know about or mentions ( like legendary taking a mile or so drop down a chasm)
b) you might want to look at the panel again, he's in the heart of the fire ball.
C) Dude, the missiles didn't push him around, he smashed through the bridge cause they pissed him off by shooting his gills. read that again, they had to shoot the most sensitive part of him and all they could do was agitate him enough to rip a bridge in half. Shin got hit in the back by a bunker buster bomb and it blew a chunk of meat off of him, scattered his blood every where and dropped him to his knees, this is why he bothered to use his breath weapon. read that again, legend gets hit in his weak point and shows no signs of damage but is pissed off by it, shin gets hit in his back and proceeds to bleed like a stuck pig.
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A) Except it shows Shinamura falling down the chasm (Shinomura was the one they found underground, the one that was unearthed), and Godzilla was shown in the ocean (because godzilla is from the ocean.) Glad to hear you're less ignorant now.
B) Nope. He's in the center of the planet, that's why the events happening are happening around him.
C) Dude, thank you you fucking idiot. they shoot the most sensitive part of Legendary and he runs away. they shoot the least sensative part of Shin and not only does it do absolutely nothing because he evolved and regenerated as soon as it happened, he only noticed it enough to piss him off enough to kill it and that point is still far, far, far beyond Legendary's "Not my gill!" level is. Imagine that, for a second. An ant comes up to you and bites your dick, you scream and run away. A wasp stings me in my shoulder and I just kill it without so much as uttered "ow". Wanna talk about convential weapons, you idiot?
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A) dude, shinamura can fly
B) he went to the center for food. He tanked that asteriod.
C) ran away? He destroyed the force attacking him, it's like being stung by an ant while chasing the guy who broke into your house, so you stop to stomp the ant's hill then continuing the chase. And the damage shin took was so sever that his back ripped open, he spewed blood ever and then collapsed to his knees, are you admitting that you are such pussified bitch that wasp can knock you on your face and rip the meat off your back deep enough to shower you in your own blood?
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A) Exactly. Yet the part in the comic you're talking about shows Shinomura falling down a chasm int he planet and Godzilla in the ocean. Shinomura dug into the earth to get to the radiation, thats why they had to unearth him. What you saw wasn't what happened.
B) True, if what you saw wasn't a reenactment and the actual event. But since the guy is telling us what happened from his point of view (and we see it form his POV, what he imagines that to be), you're wrong.
C) Ran away. Legendary didn't destroy them, are you a fucking idiot? He goes the opposite way from the direction he;s getting shot, thus the whole running away part. Lol, who the fuck does what you just tried to use as an analogy? Who the fuck goes "that ant bite hurt not so much so I'm gonna kill all of them"? God damn you're stupid, even if you were right, which you aren't. Shin didn't collapse to his knees. Shin bleeds (and then all damage is undone in the following shot not even a second later) and then he destroys everything. Shin is more like your example. It's like I get stung by a wasp and decide to kill every wasp next around me, and do it, until all wasps around me are nothing. While getting stung by wasps. Are you admitting to being such a weak, ignorant slut that an ant bite is enough to send you running away? At least Shin did, actually, kill what hurt him, Legendary literally wan away.
Oh, and I haven't even mentioned Shin's ability to adapt to anything, or his regeneration (which is MUCH better then Legendary's), or the fact that he has anywhere from 1 to 10 breath attacks he can whoop out at any time. Legendary is fucked, you idiot. How's my dick taste? I imagine it tastes like your ass, considering that brutal fucking I just gave you, try not to sit for a while.
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A) no, what we saw is what happened.
B) no, because he is giving a vague theory while the flash back is going into details.
C) ran away? He destroyed the golden gate bridge, he attacked it because the tanks on the bridge shot him so he said "well fuck you too" and attacked them, then he resumed his chase after the muto's,if he ran away, he would have turned around and not destroyed the bridge .a.k.a. the "ant-hill". and yes, shin got knocked dowm, we see him huddled over after the bombs blow holes in him so big that he showers the block he's standing in blood, if a bomb with 15 tons of tnt yeild can do that to him, legendary could kill him simply running into him.
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A) I'm gonna stop responding to this topic, we got it going in that other reply. Cool? Cool.
B) No it isn't. It's literally showing exactly what he's saying.
C) Oh, is that why he did it? So not because the even more tanks were shooting him from behind and he had nowhere else to go but through the bridge. He literally ran away from the tanks through the bridge and then on to the MUTOs. He didn't turn around and destroy it. He destroyed it when he ran through it. Lol, you are predictable. He bends over every time he blows his fire. And what does he do when he bends over after getting attacked? Oh, yeah, blows his fire out his back.God damn, you suck.
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A) I smell pussy
B)no, it's not, where did he mention kaiju taking a mile or so drop down a shattered tectonic plate.
C) "Behind him", nigga, the tanks were on the bridge, the bridge was IN FRONT of him. He destroyed the bridge because the tanks shot him.
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Point A here and point E in our other "thread" are the same thing.
B) "Deep beneath the Earth, closer to the planets radioactive core." He literally says they go deep beneath the planet.
C) Did you watch the video? The things shooting him from the bank drive him forward, away, through the bridge. God you're stupid. This is what took you 2 days to come up with? Just being a troll?
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No, dumb ass, watch it again, the tanks are on the bridge that godzilla destroyed.
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Then what was he running away from? Oh, right, the not-there ships. Jesus Christ, you suck. Legendary get's scared away by missiles, Shin don't even flinch when hit with megatons.
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He's not running from the ships, he he chasing the muto. Watch the scene again, he tears the bridge in half, whips his tail around and stands there for a few seconds, roars, looks around after the missile stop firing on him, THEN he continues his hunt.
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Have you even watched either of the movies these two are in? Here is the scene again [ www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYVuAl⦠], when he gets pushed through the bridge he keeps right on moving, he doesn't stop, he keeps walking away from the things that hurt him. Because Legendary is weak and Shin would literally tear him in half.
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Pushed? He turned and slammed into the bridge and took a step before stopping and roaring AFTER they quit shooting at him.
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I lied. This annoyed me once I remembered it. Going to dismantle this stupid shit now.
A) Obviously, you're a liar. Beyond that, look what I found: [ www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemat⦠]. If you don't want to follow that link, I'll copy the important bits here, just for your lazy, lying booty. "Let's say to destroy a skyscraper like that, Godzilla has to melt through the equivalent of 50m3 of steel, and he does it in about a tenth of a second. That gives his beam an energy of about 3.6*1012W, or about the same as the power consumption of the entire United States." Since watts and joules convert easily enough, 3,600,000,000,000w in 1/10s is 360,000,000,000j, or 360 gigajoules. And now I'll please ask you to provide your (made up) calc.
B) Lol, no. The meteor wasn't going to shatter Earth. It was going to destroy the Earth, and that was fake. Fuck, dude, how are you so wrong on so many things?
C) Spoken like a true idiot. Shin had little charge time and took out an entire city, Final War's had A WHOLE FUCKING MONTAGE in comparason. Or are you blatantly ignoring the fact that longer charge time = more power? Fuck, you're stupid.
D & E) Your exact words were "shin who sweeped his breath at every and anything around him and it still took him quite a while to set a single city on fire." you fucking imbecil. Legendary's breath did EVEN LESS then Shin's. Which was my entire point, so... god, just shut your stupid mouth.
F) Yes, it is! Oh my god, you're stupid. They say, in the movie, that the MUTOs and the Godzillas dug into the Earth because deeper into the Earth you go gets you more radiation. And, to boot, the comic you're talking about even shows Godzilla sleeping in the ground when the meteor hits, you fucking idiot. Don't believe me? BLAM oh, look at that, Godzilla slept passed the extinction of the dinosaurs and only woke up with our nukes. Huh. Looks like you're, again, displayed as a fucking liar. It even says, on the fucking page your stupid ass is talking about "The surface of the world was no longer hospitable for them They were forced to find radiation elsewhere. Deep beneath the earth, closer to the planets core. or deep beneath the ocean, near the thermal vents, where all this time they been undisturbed." You're fucking wrong, kid, they didn't get hit, the surface just became inhospitable for them.
How does my cock taste, guy? Shin fucking destroys Legendary, his breath hits its laser stage and cuts through Legendary like shit through a goose.
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kek, thank you for digging your own grave.
a) 360 gigajoules comes out to..... a staggering .086 kilotons. let's some this up, fatman and little boy have more punch than shin Gojira and you expect him to hurt a beast who shrugged off getting hit by a megaton bomb? get rekt bitch.
b) no, the meteor was going to take out the earth given it was gorath and the only info we have on gorath's mass is that it's gravity was about 6000 (or 600) times greater than earth.
C) no, my friend, charge time is irrelevant in cross fiction comparisons. Take Buu from dragon ball vs the death star, one can snap his fingers funny and a planet goes boom vs one taking several minutes to power up and destroy a planet. The fact that shin charged up for a second and barely put out .086 kilotons of power per second vs Final war's putting a halt to a hurdling planatoid. this also leaves out the tiny detail that shin fell into a coma after using his breath, which FW didn't
D) mother fucker make me, you are trying to make it sound like shin fired the shot and instantly leveled the city when he instead had to fire multiple blasts over an extend period of time vs Legendary who has never used his breath.
F) I never said they didn't dig deep to get food, I said they never dug deep to avoid the asteriod that Godzilla tanked.
so again, shin opens fire, it does nothing and legendary tears him in half like a phone book.
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A) It's like you don't know how much a difference area makes in this. Castle Bravo has an yield of 63 petajoules. Looking in that comic, we'll say the diameter of the blast is 6-Godzilla's (and that's being super, super, super generous), and we'll say Godzilla is a 108 square meters. 108*5=540m, that's the diameter of the explosion. Divide the yield, 64000000000000000, by the area, 540, gives us 1.1*10^14 joules per square meter, Legendary took 1/5 of that, so 2.2*10^12. Shin's breath is 360 gigajoules. Let's say his beam breath is a whopping 10 meters wide. That gives us a, much better, 7.2*10^12. Fucking idiot.
B) Except the Gorath they showed was a fake. That's good reason to believe they made up everything they said about it. And we know it wasn't that big because the only thing it was used for was transporting Monster X. Fucking idiot.
C) Dishonest as always. Man, what a piece of shit you are. I'm gonna stop here unless your ignorance annoys me some more.
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A) buddy, parts of Godzilla's body are completely engulfed in light, he is ground zero. Also, your little calc didnt say that was damage per area, he said that was the total energy need to destroy 50m^3 of steel. So again, shin's breath is weaker than little boy and fatman while legendary was the target of MULTIPLE megaton bombs and he survived being ground zero for castle bravo.
B) except for when it showed up at the end, proving it was real, but not moving until the xilians summoned it.
C) translation "waaah, I can't disprove that". And again, shin uses his breath and then falls into a two week coma.
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A) Doesn't matter, he's still on the outside edge of the fireball, meaning not so much energy. AND that calc is wrong. That was the radius of the blast, we needed the area (that's where the energy is being dispersed.) Surface area for that fireball is 916088m^2, so NOW we divide the yield by the surface area and Legendary only gets hit with 1/5th of THAT. 64000000000000000/916088=69,862,283,972 j/sq. m. So Legendary actually tanked 13,972,456,794 joules per square meter (1/5th of 69 gigajoules). I'll double check my math now for Shin's breath, 360,000,000,000/10= 3,600,000,000,000 j/sq. m. Not to mention this is also a sustained energy output whereas Castle Bravo lasted less than a second.
"Also, your little calc didnt say that was damage per area, he said that was the total energy need to destroy 50m^3 of steel"
> God you're stupid. Right. So Shin's breath has that much energy, and its putting out that energy over a certain area, that's energy per area, you idiot.
B) Except that wasn't the ones that the Xilians' showed, because the ones the Xilians showed was moving through space, you idiot.
C) No, it means I didn't want to correct you. But I do now. Final Wars charged his up, he had maybe 5 minutes of charge vs Shin's 1 minute. Are you going to stand there and attempt to tell me charge time doesn't matter to Godzilla? This isn't a cross fiction comparasion, these are both Godzilla. what you're saying is like comparing Goku from Super to Goku from DBS and saying "See, Super-Goku can destroy a planet with his kamehameha (however the shit that's spelled) and DBZ-Goku can only bust a mountain" while ignoring the fact that Super-Goku was in SSB and DBZ-Goku wasn't even SSJ 1. That's the kind of lying shit you try to pull? Damn, dude, just make good argument.
D) Damn, bitch, you mad? Lol. Shin fired one blast and did far more damage in that one blast the Legendary did. That was my entire point, you fucking idiot. Shin didn't level the city, but he got a hell of a lot closer then Legendary did.
F) I like how you just completely stopped arguing for that. Godzilla didn't tank it, you saw a reenactment, not the actual event you idiot.
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A) edge my ass, he is engulfed in that fireball.they droped castle bravo directly on him just like they did with several other nukes and those megaton did jack shit but shin got a conventional bomb dropped on him and knocked his bitch ass down.
B) nope, the calc states that's his total energy out put, not per area. It's less than a kiloton.
C) charge time means jack shit cross fiction. Some verses have a blow that charges five hours and levels a city, others charge 5 seconds and erases a star. Two different godzillas, two different rules.
D) fire for several minutes and swept his blast across down town, legendary fired his fir several seconds and held it on one target.
E) dude, I'm right, it's not a reenactment because the flash back shows shit the docter never mentioned.
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A) Fuck, it doesn't matter were you put him! 13,972,456,794 joules per square meter is
13,972,456,794 joules per square meter in the entire fireball. They didn't drop any other nukes on Legendary. And tanks were enough to make Legendary run away through the bridge. Legendary was nuked down by a single building falling on him, that same thing took 3 buildings and several train-bombs to accomplish for Shin. You lose, sir, you lose!
B) You're a fucking idiot. The total energy output is over a certain area, are you disagreeing with that? When I punch you, the entire force of the punch is being dealt over the area of my fist. When a bullet hits you, the entire force of the bullet is being dealt over the area of the bullet. How the shit are you not understanding this? Do you not understand how bullets work? Or knives? If I punched you without a knife, the entire force of the blow is dispersed along the entire surface area of my fist and wouldn't do that much damage. If I stabbed you, though, that same "total energy output" is being dispersed along the entire surface area of the knife and would be enough to plant a long enough knife firmly in your guts. Lower surface area means more pressure means a more damaging attack. You're arguing against physics right now.
C) That's such bullshit. How the fuck can you compare anything then? What if, in the "5 hour charge=leveled city" universe, it takes more energy to level the city than it takes the "5 second charge=erased star" universe to destroy a star? How can the outcome of the two be compared if nothing else can, is the question. Because your stupid system is stupid.
D) Except he didn't. Want me to post the video? Again? Because I will. He fired his breath for as long as Legendary and scored the city. Legendary did shit. And I thought charge time didn't matter? How does length of time fired affect it any more than charge time does? Here, I'll find the videos, again, and we'll compare.
Shin: [ www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbSrFI⦠], blows his breath for about 20 seconds and, at 0:40 you can see the scar he made on Japan. If you stop at 0:50 you get a better scale for it, Shin is tiny compared to the smallest part of the damage he caused.
Legendary: [ www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqgdWu⦠], blows his breath for 7 seconds, 4 seconds, and then 6 seconds, so a total of about 17 seconds and does absolutely jack shit to anything but the insides of a MUTO. It is shit compared to Shin's. Fuck, how's that breath going to hurt Shin? Even if you want to say your stupid argument of "shin was hurt by a bunker buster", how does that help Legendary at all? He's breath is FAR weaker than Shin's (and its spread out more), the MOAB has a yield of 15 tons, Shin took all of that (because it wasn't a spherical explosion). What's Legendary got that could top that?
E) Like what? I'm going to have fun showing you as a liar, then I'll be pissed again because I still have another idiotic, stupid comment to read. It starts
Dude says "Like Shinomura radiation would have been essential to his (Godzilla's) lifestyle" and it shows a Shinomure attacking something next to Godzilla
Dude says "This would have made them ancient enemies. An eternal struggle... a balance..." and it shows the two, Godzilla and Shinomura, getting into a fight.
Dude says "Until the balance changed. The Permian Impact. A huge asteroid that eradicated most life. Forever diminishing the atmospheric radiation" and the fight ends with a "huge asteroid" impacting the Earth.
Dude says "The surface of the world was no longer hospitable for them. They were forced to find radiation elsewhere. Deep beneath the Earth, closer to the planets radioactive core. Or deep beneath the ocean, near the thermal vents. All this time they've been undisturbed. Until something woke them." and it shows Shinomura falling into the Earth(*) and Godzilla into the water(*).
(*)Both of which the dude saying it knows. It's literally a reenactment.
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A) yeah, it matters, if Godzilla is the direct target, as in, the bomb blows up righr on him, the force has no time to dissipate over the blast volume. Also, they said the "tests" in the pacific were attempts to kill him.
B) I undestand how pressure works, your just applying it backwards to make a less than kiloton energy bigger because you shot yourself. You tried to say he was putting out 360 gigajoules every square meter then you multiplied it over a bigger area. Face it, shin cant out do a kiloton and legendary has shrugged off multiple megaton bombs.
C) in vs debates, you assume necessary energy out out is common between two different universes. If it takes guy A five hours to charge up enough power to destroy a city and guy b takes five seconds to do the same to a universe, guy b will win every fucking time.
D) fire time does matter, if I shot you once with a AA12 and another guy unloaded his mag into you, does that magically make his gun stronger? If I unload my mag into you but the other guy fires 5 magazines all over the room, is his gun stronger?
Shin is firing longer and is sweeping his beam across the city for maximum collateral damage, legendary is fire at the mutos and the mutos alone to minimize collateral damage. Do you get it, fucktard?
E) he never said shit about shinomura taking a fucking swan dive, he made a vague theory and the flash back confirmed it. Get over it, your the only fanboy pushing that shit.
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A) And that's not what happens. Even in the comic you can see that. The center of the blast is located more inland whereas Godzilla is more on the shore. So he didn't tank all of it. He tanked less than Shin puts out.
B) That's not what I did, you idiot. You divide the total yield by the surface area, in this case, by square meters. He's outputting 360 gigajoules over a handful of square meters, I specified 10. 360 gigajoules divided evenly into 10 meters is 3,600,000,000,000 j per square meter. If you understand how pressure works this shouldn't be this hard for you to understand. More pressure over a smaller area has a multiplicative effect. Sorry dude, not my fault you suck.
C) And you still are not understanding how stupid you sound when you try to spout that some things are inherently incomparable. How do you compare the output? You assume it takes the same amount of energy to destroy the same amount of stuff. But, if some things are inherently incomparable, how do you know you can compare the energy it takes to wipe out a town in universe A vs wiping out the entirety of universe B? What if it takes more energy to destroy a town in universe A then it does to destroy universe B? What if those two things, like charge time, are inherently incomparable? How do you tell which is which, is my question.
D) How do you know fire time isn't just something that is inherently incomparable? I'm still waiting for an answer for that.
Shin fires his breath 3 seconds longer. Hell, the first ten seconds of Shin's breath outdoes the 17 of Legendary's and, as I said and showed twice now, Shin doesn't move his head. I want you to get a good, long, look at this.
That's 5 seconds into Shin's breath. No head movements. No moving at all. That is infinetly more powerful then Legendary's. Stop being a jackass, jackass.
E) He was there when they dug Shinomura up from the Earth, you fucking fuck. Again, he specifically mentions the kaiju digging deep beneath the planet to find radioactivity when it shows Shinomura falling. The flashback didn't confirm shit because it wasn't a flashback. Who was having the fucking flashback, you fucking idiot? The human talking? Godzilla, whose point of view we never see through? Shinomura's? Only those last two would have been there and neither of them are the person talking or the person the comic is focusing on. It's not my fault you're too idiotic to see what's plainly set up.
Shin literally rapes Legendary with his breath. And then takes a nice nap.
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A) no, they drop the bomb on him because he is inside the fire ball, his whole body is illuminated, shinomura was on the edge.
B) like I said, dividing his breath by it's surface area drops his output per area. Over a 10 meter area, his total energy reduced by a factor of ten.
C) I'm saying charge time irrelavent cross universe. Going by your "logic", if attack A takes two hours to charge, it is stronger than attack B taking two seconds, even if A only destroys a city and B erases a planet.
D) shin's not firing on a monster, he's fire onto open spaces and buildings and spent quite some time pouring out some black gas that ignited the moment he blasted fire and then he swept the city with his laser breath vs legend firing directly into a kaiju (y'know, tougher than buildings) and never once deviated from his target. Again, back to my analogy, what makes one gun stronger when all the other one dide was shoot up the room.
E) again, they dug deep to find food, not evade an oncoming asteriod. The event happened, legend tanked the hit and there were details the scientist didnt mention. It was a flash back.
Shin fires his breath, then legendary shoves shin's head up shin's ass before punt kicking him into the upper stratosphere.
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A) IT doesn't matter. The energy is spread out over the entire explosion, the energy per square meter is the same all the way through the explosion, idiot.
B) Are you stupid? I thought you said you knew how energy output worked? Look, I found this thread over on FactPile, 40 N spread over 2 nanometers turns into 30,000,000,000 N/mm^2. That's the way it works. Stop being an idiot, man, I'm not a teacher.
C) That's not what I'm saying at all you fucking idiot. I'm saying it's unfair to ignore charge time in a universe that makes a point of charge time making the attack stronger.
D) What does that matter? We see the direct result of Shin's breath for five seconds without moving vs Legendary's breath for five seconds without moving. Shin's breath is infinitely stronger than Legendary's. If I shoot one bullet and that one bullet goes through 70 people and you shoot a bullet and that one bullet doesn't go through a bear, who has the stronger gun? People are less durable then bears.
E) Correct. They dug deep to find food, because the asteriod made the habitat unsuitable for them. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the scientist didn't know that it showed.
You're a fucking idiot.
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A) yes it does, if your 150 meters from ground zero, you will be subject to MUCH lesser forces than being 10 meters.
B) I know how pressure works, bitch, it's what makes a 3lb blade deadlier than a 3 lb club. But you tried increasing shins per meter out put when it should go down.
Lets set the numbers up
Using volume:
Shin had an output of 360 gigajoules over 50 cubic meters, or 7.2 gigajoules per cubic meter.
Reading Awakening, legendary is about 80 meters from the blast epicenter, so the initial blast first hit him when the volume was 1.07x10^6 meters. Castle bravo had a yeild of 15 megatons or 6.27x10^16 joules. This means it's per cubic meter out put at that range is about 58.5 gigajoules.
Going by Volume, legend is just over 8 times too tough for shin to hurt.
Going by surface area:
Now, if we assume the 50 cubic meters shin destroyed can be modelled on a perfect cube, this means the face of each side should be roughly 12.96 meters, giving shin an out put of 27.8 gigajoules per square meter.
Now, the surface area of a hemisphere with an 80 meter area is 40229 meters (I rounded up to lower legendary's durability). This puts the per square meter out put of the blast at 1.55x10^12 joules.
Going by surface area, legendary is 55 times too durable for shin to hurt.
Hell, we can compare legendaries lower volume based durability to shin higher surface area out put and legendary comes up over two times too high for shin to hurt.
"But what if shin targets legendaries eyes or gills?"
Ah, see, here's the problem, the omni directional blast hit him every where, chest, hands, face, eyes and gills and when we see him in the fire ball, there is not a single drop coming from him nor a single hunk of flesh flying off. This means legendary's weakest areas are between 2 and 55 times to durable for shin to hurt. Let that sink in, if shin hit Legendary point blank in the eye, he'd only piss him off and if shin is in point blank range, legendary is close enough to punch his claw through shin. GG, no re.
C) dude, if guy A blows up a building after 30 minutes of charging and guy B destroys the moon after 30 seconds of charging, guy B is stronger. Get over it, shin is a pussy.
D) shin is spending his whole time firing on open air and buildings, which are notoriously known for being less durable than giant monsters, legendary held his blast stationary on a kaiju. Shin had the intent of maximizing AOE, legendary went out of his way to minimize it.
E) show me where he said, "then the asteriod blast blew a hole in the earth's crust and shinomura fell down the hole". Details, bitch, details.
So, the numbers fall heavily in legendary's favor even discounting his best feat.
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A) Pressure changes with distance, not energy/sq. m.. God, you're an ignorant slut.
B) So, first of all, square meters isn't how you measure volume, thanks for making yourself look like a fucking idiot. Second, where did you get 50 cubic meters? Third, Legendary was WAY more than 80 meters from the epicenter of the explosion. God, you're idiotic.
"Going by Volume, legend is just over 8 times too tough for shin to hurt."
I already proved to you how this is wrong. God damn liar, man.
"Going by surface area, legendary is 55 times too durable for shin to hurt."
I already showed how this is wrong to. Did you suffer a stroke since we last spoke? I think you did.
"This means legendary's weakest areas are between 2 and 55 times to durable for shin to hurt"
I find this part especially insulting given that we see Legendary RUN AWAY from missiles to the gills. Fuck, your lying ass knows no bounds! Your flawed math, your flawed attempts to prove me wrong, its all so fucking stupid.
C) Still blatantly ignoring that in both universes charge time is a factor. Fuck you, man.
D) Are you a fucking idiot? Shin's breath, when he did nothing but fire it, destroys a whole city. Legendary's does nothing even slightly close to that. Legendary's breath is shit compared to any Godzilla incarnation, even fuckin Zilla did more damage.
E) Holy fucking shit. I've literally done that like three times for your apparently illiterate ass. Allow me to do it once more. "The surface of the world was no longer hospitable for them. They were forced to find radiation elsewhere. Deep beneath the Earth, closer to the planets radioactive core." What does that say to you, fucker? Because to anyone who can actually read it says the meteor drove Shinomura underground. Which is exactly what the representation (not flashback) shows.
No, using your bad imitation of math you'd get Legendary being more durable. Using actual math, good math, you find that everything you said, literally everything, is wrong on the face. Legendary gets raped by his better.
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A) no, total energy stays constant, energy per area goes down as the area increases. You pretty much trying to argue that the forces you would experience from a nuke stay constant at ground zero and at the edge of it's blast radius. Think about that, take that kind of reasoning to the ODB, tell me well it lasts.
B) "I proved it"
You didnt prove shit, you're trying say being 80 from nuke is no different from 800 feet and you sound like chris-chan while trying to argue. The energy per area goes down the farther you get from a blast because the fire ball gets bigger but the total stays constant. If the fire ball gets bigger but doesnt get any more energy, that means is more dispersed.
So again, using actual physics, we find that shin the bitch cant even blow out legendary's eye.
And again, the missile didnt push him. He got hit in the gills, hit pissed and slammed the bridge, he stands there after he walks for a second or two then moves on AFTER they stop shooting him.
C) but they're not the same universe.
D) shin fired down an empty street after he filled it with flamable gas and fired his lasers through a bunch of buildings, legendary opened on a kaiju. Again, if guy A fires at you with a gun and you hiding behind balsa wood (the buildings) and it kills you but guy B fires on a solid steel wall and you dont die, and both guys fire the same gun, you'd argue guy A's gun is stronger.
E) I don't see "shinomura took a five mile drop" anywhere in the book or your paragraph, so tough shit bitch.
Shin is still a pussy who will die in round one with leaving so much as a scratch on legendary.
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Lol, no, not mad. I just fucking love cursing. But I'm not keeping this going, dishonest fucks are the least fun to argue with.
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Shouldn't you wait until the movie comes out so you can find out the full extent of Shin Godzilla's abilities.
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No, it is pretty obvious who would win. Legendary showed pain to just one tank shell where Shin didn't show any to multiple shots. It's more about what the message that each is supposed to serve.
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That's because the Legendary is made to look and act more realistic to pain and I think you should still wait until the movie comes out.
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We don't need to, Shin is already labeled as the most powerful Godzilla.
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Where did it say that?
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It's in his name. Shin can be translated as true or God in this context.
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Im still just going to wait until the movie comes out, because Legendary is my favorite Godzilla so far, also so is Godzilla because god is in his name and its just a title.
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Granted, we don't know much about the Shin Gojira at this time. However, seeing as he and the rest of his film is heavily drawn from the 1954 film I can make an educated guess.
Like the Legendary Godzilla the Shin Gojira would be well armored. Unlike the 2014 Gojira I'm expected Shin Gojira to be regenative as well: So 1 point goes to Shin for better defenses.
While Legendary has bigger arms with which to use in melee combat better than Shin's arms, Shin has a HUGE tail ( far longer and thicker than any other Gojira to date). Not to mention those wicked looking teeth Shin has over those (comparitavely) small teeth Legendary has. Now Legendary does have a bigger build than Shin so I'm not sure if he's heavier/stronger in upper body strength than Shin. For this comparison: Both get 1 point.
Now for the Atomic Breath comparisons. Legendary Gojira has a decent breath weapon (both in the movie and even more impressive in a certain playstation game he appeared in). If Shin stays true to his 54 origins, I expect him to have a White Hot atomic vapour breath. While it wouldn't have a lot of pushing force, it would be far hotter than Legendary's breath weapon... thus dealing a LOT more damage. Shin gets the point here.
So for my comparison, I see 3 points in favor of Shin Gojira vs only 1 point favoring the Legendary Godzilla. Shin Gojira wins!
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You might wanna try again, shin got dropped to his knees by a conventional bomb where as legendary shrugged of castle bravo.Β
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I agree, I made those comments before we knew much about Shin Gojira. It's a bit of a disappointment to me that it wasn't as powerful as I hoped.
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