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TheWyvernsWeaver — Hereafter - Chapter Eighteen
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“The truth.”
HEREAFTER
by
ScaraMedn
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YES WHAT IS THIS BOND GOD DAMN IT! I love reading everyone's theories!
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I always keep forgetting at these pics to my collection after I finish reading it
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A lot of people have come to the conclusion that its coalescing to an engagement ring or something like that, and it is a clear and obvious conclusion but what I'm wondering is how that will be presented. I mean in the beginning Judy was just looking for a way to control him enough with the intention of finishing the job quickly and getting it over with. She even promised on her name that she'd release him when it was done.
Now given how much she still hated him at the time I don't see her as likely to "put a ring on it" as it were. And obviously she can undo it, as no WAY would she have permanently bonded herself to a demon (at least at that time)
SO it has to be something that can be less permanent than an engagement and at the same time more necessary. I mean she CAN undo it. I call total bull if its revealed that she can't as again she wouldn't have condemned herself from the get go with no way out. That said there needs to be a reason going forward why she DOESN'T undo it now. I don't think she needs it to keep Nick as her ally at this point, and while the communication is nice its not totally essential to their logistics.
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From the chapter she placed it on him/them: It had its dangers. Quite a few of them. If he was the type of demon she feared he was, she would risk far worse than treason and banishment. She would very likely fall.
She knew already at that point that she could lose *everything* in placing it, and was willing to accept that in order to get his help saving creation. Just after placing it she admitted that he would likely kill her despite the consequences if she'd told him everything then. So, you can't say "she wouldn't do it if she didn't have a way out" because that's exactly the mindset we saw: Willing to sacrifice everything she had to save creation.
And much later (fairly recently): It was clearly almost fully into the third stage and then there would be no going back for her.
Which seems to imply that once a point is reached, it's permanent. Or at least that she will no longer have the ability/will to break it any longer.
But again, day one she's accepted likelihood of her own fall and/or death as a result.
Also, some of her musing have implied that the visual nature of the bond shrinks and becomes more detailed as a direct representation of the relationship between the individuals. So, in that light we could look at the current state of the bond not as something she intended, but as something that progressed *way* past what she anticipated it would. We've already seen that there have been repercussions of the bond that she didn't know would occur - and we've seen that demonic/angelic magic does unexpected things when blended. It's very possible in that light that this bond isn't exactly what it was meant to be at a fundamental level either.
And we can't look at its meaning from a "mortal realm" viewpoint either, even if it does end up looking like a ring. It could still be some sort of permanent bond between two that allows them to become something greater than the some of their parts when the bonded individuals are so compatible that the bond is able to reach its final stage.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see. And it looks like we just might get some of those answers very soon.
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not really different from my statement though. Sure she knew there were serious dangers, but she obviously thought that she could finish her job and then undo it, so she wasn't condemning herself from the start just taking a big risk.
Risking your life for something and dying for something are two very different things.
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Interpretations vary. I read it as she was simply hoping that she's succeed before falling herself. And her fall/death would probably "release" him from it.
And I do believe that the bond is possible to remove - before it goes too far. She mentions it's use during training in a way that implies the bond having been placed on her in the past. But some of her other behaviors make it seem it can become permanent.
We just don't have the information yet.
Soon.
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Safe bet it is an engagement spell but like most heavenly spells it needs him to say "yes" to make it permanent. She probably thought as long as he didn't know what the spell actually was she could remove it before it became a risk to herself.
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Thanks to this picture, I'm 98% sure of what the bond will be at the end. To avoid spoilers I'll answer my own comment so don't read the answer if you want to keep the surprise ^^
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The bond started as covering the whole arm and got smaller and smaller as their relationship progressed.
Now it started wrapping around his finger. I'll bet whatever you want that at the end it'll take the form of an engagement/mariage ring, with the corresponding meaning ^^
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Though she has to be able but unwilling to remove it for some reason. I don't think she needs it to keep nick as her ally any more and she wouldn't have done it in the first place if it was permanent.
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A great chapter and soon...soon we'll have those answers about so many questions. 
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I really enjoyed this chapter, i had a couple of beers and just read away. It's almost like watching a movie, so much detail in the writing and so much going on in this chapter it just keep me so entertained. Also the lovely piece of art we get with each chapter is a huge plus.
Thank you ScaraMedn, and TheWyvernsWeaver for all the work you both do.
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Can I just say it looks like he's flipping her off. I know it's a serious scene but still!
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Can we please get a straight anwser and what the furry is the bond? So far it's a tool to interrogation that bonds two angels into some sortof symbiotic relationship. Some sort of pseudo-relationship tool and apparently the closet angel get to sex whitout falling.
It's been protrayed as this multitasking tool while also being this oddly specific and basically unherad off, or perhaps really modern because Nick doesn't know what it is.
We know their bond is unique, mayhaps because they are at the mortal plane, where rules means less from both parties, or could be due them being high in their hirarchy.
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Im no longer totally convinced that sex would even make her fall. The host lied about, well, lying itself so why not that too?
Also Bogo was clearly prideful, as is Judy, and also a bit envious due to her being looked down on by superiors (also pride too). The point being she can touch on the other sins without falling even act on them. I think pride/envy played no small part on her disobeying Bogo. So if she can engage in the sins a bit without falling then why not lust? as long as she doesn't turn into an overtly slutty bunny shouldn't she be fine?
At least the bond should finally be explained a bit more next time. Famished Fiery Furry Fury will be Finished
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It had been properly explain that, one; falling is submmiting to a sin wholeheartly, is the fact that Judy fights her own desire that makes it a "sin" and while yeah, Host had lied about thousand things, i'd bet they'd be liying more from now on, the falling had been filed and we've a guy who had fallen twice.
Now the question is, what is falling? the action of subbmision to a sin or the action of oposition towards some sort of selective agenda? Nick had "fallen" twice, even when he was a demon the second time. Altought it's refered as being stripped of his status.
It's also stated that every angel has their "Temptation" and that while an angel can fall for any sin. It's much rather common to fall for the specific temptation. Bogo's temptation is pride, and well as Nick's once was. (or is?) Judy is lust.
I'll be playing host advocate here and state that it's more of the intention of the sin rather than the sin itself. If Judy "betrays" her oaths for the sake of rutting a fox i'd be calling that falling. Much like Nick confronted the Host for his own ideals (still need to know what exactly transpired back there)
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Judy referenced a court martial of the 'traitor angels' that happened at some point. I'm almost certain that nick would have been one of them. If that's true then he might have 'fallen' by literally being thrown into hell as a punishment from the host. That's what happened the second time too. falling to lust wasn't automatic or something that happened on his own it was a punishment from Buffy.
Aren't Judy's oaths non-binding on earth, we found that out with the lying thing? and her relationship with Nick is much more than just wanting to bone him.
Her 'purpose' I suppose has been to save the mortal world, (in general and from Lollipop in particular) Honestly she probably isn't betraying that purpose by sleeping with Nick unless she gives up on the world in favor of her sex drive.
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There was a martial court, however. We don't know what exactly happen back there, what "ideals" had Nick that was so againts the Host's purpose? purge pandemonium of demons? or perhap claim the mortal realm? We don't know what "Prideful" elements where at play when Nick falled besides he thinking he had a voice on such matter. He could've prepared a coup'd, he's seen really good at that task.
Yeah, but that was the first time a Demon had fallen, he mention it as he second fall, but he wasn't even lustful, he was just set into the lust house for reasons of punishment. Would that count as falling? He didn't submit to a sin moreover he was punished to be another sin.
But the Oath exist, just not as poweful as in heaven, and she had angel downs so temptation is happening and a falling will come to be. She've admited it herself. Perhaps it's because the fact that she lust him as much as he covet him that set this as more of a gray area.
Angels purpose is to battle demons and claim the mana of the mortal realm for themselves. They don't give two shit for mortals and based on the new intel we've got host owing mortal realm wouldn't be much different that of hell, just much more bright.
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Well the host doesn't care about mortals but Judy does, and its the host's purpose to battle demons.
Sorta what i meant with the punishment. he may not have really 'fallen' the first time either. though pride is closest. He decided that he knew what was right better than the host did. Now he probably WAS right, but the host would certainly have seen him as irredeemably prideful.
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Judy care to get into the pants of the devil whom happens to be a smexy fox.
I'm actually conflicted, why he was set into lust house instead of greeds.
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he fell to pride, he didn't actually fall to lust he was sent there by Buffy as a punishment so ask Buffy. (the real reason is that it make a more titillating story)
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I was aware, yet, it'd be more fitting to set him into greed? wouldn't be?
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probably. OR envy with what he tried to pull. but it had to be lust BECAUSE PLOT!!!
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Because the bunny need her lusty fox
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Throwing my two cents into this discussion, I think the key question here is, "What is sin?"
The vixen who had sex with Nick then attempted to kill Judy was snuffed out without a thought by Nick because she was in lust. She decided to cheat on her husband and sleep with Nick, when he tempted her. Judy is told by the Host that if you sleep with the Devil or a demon, you are committing sin because you are giving in to temptation. But that is if the reason you want to sleep with them is for solely the pleasure of it. Judy has been fighting temptation to sleep with Nick because she doesn't want to do that for the wrong reason. However, she has now openly declared her love for him when she said she fought the other demons for him. Because she cares what he thinks. To prove herself worthy of him. So, if she now sleeps with her one true love, is that a sin?
I'm betting Nick in the end will not sleep with her when she willingly offers herself because although he has been denying it, he is starting to care for Judy and until he accepts and admits to that Truth, he won't. Besides, since she is willing to sleep with him because she loves him, it will not feed his sin of Lust.
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is something wrong with the bit where he and finny are discussing ranks? Finny says 'keep the count i'll be an earl" but it also said that an earldom is what a house would give him and 'no house would have me anyway' then he goes and makes a deal to be an earl.
feels a little scrambled
1. House => earl
2. Devil => count
3. No house will have me (so no earl)
4. I'll be an earl (what now?)
5. you make her fall and you'll be an earl or higher (Nick just said you'd make him a count)
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The only ranks that matter in Hell is Devil and Archdemon, everything below is just betting with leaves. Illusion.
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that doesn't really make that conversation make more sense.
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It is my understanding that Finnick traded a higher rank for a lesser one in order to keep Gazelle with him and away from the other demons. So yes, Finnick himself suggested a "lower" earldom, but because he got something else that he wanted in its place.
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ohhhh ok. Just thought the text was confuzzled. thanks that makes sense.
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No problem at all. It's literally my job to help! ScaraMedn really is beyond excellent at creating subtext in conversations!
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That wasn't a discussion of the prize for making an angel fall. It was Nick wagering the depth of Finny's affection to the cursori, all those words where only a lead up to "I'll give you a better deal (for your personal gratification) if you do what you've wanted to do from the start whitout being set up as a traitor)
The title jamble was more for Fin's sake. Nick is really soft for the devil.
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Well yeah, so far Finnick haven't show any interest on any title in hell, he'd rather stay in the mortal plane, so owning a title is pretty detrymental for his agenda.
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Earlier on Nick mused that Finnick could "buy a promotion" with the amount he was paying him. True, it was glossed over quickly and never brought up again, but it was mentioned. It's exactly the type of tiny, seemingly insignificant detail that clever authors love using as plot points long after most readers have forgotten them.
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I do remember, but it felt like a quip more than plot thread.
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First rule of advanced fanfiction consumption: if you're not hyper-analyzing every little detail, you're obviously doing it wrong.
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Obssesing over everything, man that's like the third rule.
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What a perfect way to capture this moment!
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HAHAAAA, i see what you did there...
but seriously, fantastic as always
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