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NikosBoukouvalas [2017-04-02 12:54:37 +0000 UTC]
Nice work! It actually looks both historically accurate and close to some hagiographies. One thing I've seen them in some icons is a lamellar "collar" attached to the shirt. You think this is an actual piece of equipment, or artistic liscence?
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Thinkerman In reply to NikosBoukouvalas [2017-04-05 19:21:01 +0000 UTC]
What kind of lamellar collar- on the shoulders or the breast collar?
Everything is possible in general, but my main points with Orthodox art are 2: 1.Most of the art doesn't show medieval Balkan men but ancient men. 2. They are heavily stylised with cliches. So we should believe them only when we have an archaelogical find of the same thing from the same period from the region or the neighbouring regions or a written description that matches with the painted object.
If you mean the breast collars, it is possible that they wore such things like the ancient Romans but what bothers me is that they are always painted like steel, so that doesn't seem very believable to me, but who knows.
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NikosBoukouvalas In reply to Thinkerman [2017-04-05 19:43:15 +0000 UTC]
I mean neck protection... shorta...: s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/2…
You are right in saying that they portray ancient men, but they seemed to portray them with the artists' contemporary equipment (Ancient Romans did not have paramerion sabers, kite shields and spangenhelms with mail aventails.) Kinda how Renaissance artists would paint the Romans who guarded Christ's Tomb wearing plate armor. However you are right that they would try to add archaic elements (some soldiers are drawn wearing Attic looking helmets though they may be based on parade armors), and from some time onward they seemed to stop trying to portray contemporary equipment and merely started copying previous Iconographies, without necessary understanding what armor they were drawing (some armors in Icons look more like feathers than scales)
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Thinkerman In reply to NikosBoukouvalas [2017-04-05 23:16:15 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, exactly. The stylization before the Latin conquest and the Paleologian style seems to be much less. Before that they seem usually detailed enough to be real objects and I would say we can trust them much more. (actually this stylization and cliches are not only in Orthodox art but also with Catholic to a certain extent) Well, the saints and soldiers in frescoes seem to be some kind of cliches of how they imagined ancient european and middleeastern people, mixture betweeen modern and archaic objects. As the civil clothes of the people are again a mixture of ancient and medieval clothes.
This has the sillouette of a early gourget as the one i've drawn. There are theories about gourgets made out of little plates like lamellar or coat of plates style. I wouldn't trust it, but who knows.
The whole thing is that while the art styles in Catholic and Orthodox Europe were very different, the material war culture was 80-90 % the same in the 13-14th centuries from what we can see from finds.
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