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Published: 2005-04-14 05:26:37 +0000 UTC; Views: 1601; Favourites: 22; Downloads: 122
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Description Yeah, it's a WIP now. I keep finding things that just aren't quite right. The Griff Ov Sorts is complicated, but I'm having FUN. I think I'll leave it as a study, and do an official one page Ref Sheet after I figure everything out. Realized today the tail when flat, needs changed, and I'm still working on my measurements.

EVERYTHING is pretty much accurate.

1. VERY rough skelletal structure. a. Note that the wing is set BEHIND the shoulder of the front leg. (no change)

2. Hard parts of the skull and neck. (no change)

3. Lipless beak structure- showing gums, teeth and tongue. Per quadrant: 1 fang, 3 single point teeth, 3 tripple point teeth. Inner mouth is very doglike. (COLOR! Note the silver hard beak, the reddish pink gums, white teeth, pink tongue, and red-brown skin- also, added color dewlap, yes, it has a mini ridge, like the wings, and 7 lines of tiny purple feathers in white down on redbrown skin)

4. Beak with dewlap- lips are doglike, top fang peeks through, dewlap begins at beak and runs down to throat, 15 rows of tiny purple feathers on silvery white downy base, redbrown skin underneath. (whoops, forgot to scan the new version that includes the ridge)

5. Tongue- very doglike, almost prehensile (no change)

6. Chest, throat and underside of beak- a. Note the cross shaped patch in the center of the chest where the throat joins. (corrected the dewlap, it was too wide, now it's just right!)

7. (Replaced with color pic on next page.)

8. NEKKID TIME! Lol. Hawke, minus her feathers. Showing base structure and scales on legs. Again, note that the wing joins behind the front leg. (Made less 'chubby' looking, added membrane to wings, corrected 'elbow' joint in legs. Added alula, but since I didn't have a ref, I have no idea if it's placed correctly)

9. Eye- Note the double colored iris. The outer is a rich dark brown that nearly fills the eye, the inner is an uneven 'silvery gold', metalic, and very pale, with the slitted pupil inside. Hooded as a hawk. (whoops, forgot to rescan THAT too- looks like I'll be at the comp lab again tomorrow. lol.) See next page for color version.

10. Back Leg- a Metalic Silver platelike protective scales. b- red brown, tough but flexible scale covered skin. c- toes are completely sheathed in platelike scales, giving the appearance of simply terminating in a claw, not a claw in a bed like most animals, more like Disney's Gargoyles. Tabby stripes are broad, and not well defined. No fur on lower leg. (no change)

11. Back foot- showing scale form. Four toes, inner is small and 'thumb like'. (no change)

12. Front leg- a- 'elbow' bends near bottom of chest- cat like b- red brown, tough but flexible scale covered skin. c- Metalic Silver platelike protective scales. Feathers to middle of lower leg, longer in back. Talons are crow like, claws are purple. (no change)

13. Wing Structure- Shoulder to elbow- just behind front leg shoulder to rear hip (just over 1 foot long) (No change to any of these)
14. Wing Structure- elbow (at hip) to wrist in front of front leg shoulder (just under 2 feet long)
13+14 = 3 feet, shoulder to wrist
15. Wing Structure- wrist to feather tips. Feathers terminate behind body (about 4 feet)
total wing span, tip to tip is about 15 feet

16. Wing Structure- underside, inner- a- Longest feather on Hawke's body (third from leading edge) b- final feather who's shaft is within the membrane c- membrane edge d- membrane terminates half way down thigh e- membrane connects along side. The first 14 primary feather shafts are partially within the membrane to connect to the bone. The membrane is underneath the remaining 14 feathers (Added front membrane, skin attaches about where front of leg shoulderblade is)

17. Wing Structure- top side, outer- a- 14 feathers lay on top of membrane b- 14 feathers inside the membrane- covered by other feathers. (Added front membrane, skin attaches about where front of leg shoulderblade is)

18. Back View- Note the tail- 14 feathers per side, parallel to the ground when spread, turn so flush with tail while relaxed. Feathers change to fur half way down back. Dark purple line down spine and tail. Broad, ill defined stripes from midline stripe. Mane ends between front leg shoulder blades, just before wings. (front extended membrane skin is missing...)

19. Wing- Top view (Added front membrane, skin attaches about where front of leg shoulderblade is- fully feathered)

20. Wing- Bottom view (Added front membrane, skin attaches about where front of leg shoulderblade is- fully feathered)



Hawke is not only copyright to me, it IS me. Steal and face the wrath of the Ice Pick B****!
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Comments: 22

Kamuela [2005-04-14 18:42:11 +0000 UTC]

wow so much work its worth it!

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TNHawke In reply to Kamuela [2005-04-15 04:23:30 +0000 UTC]

It very much is! FINALLY, after over two years of trying, I'm finally getting it. And i've got at least one more page to do- colored!

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Kamuela In reply to TNHawke [2005-04-15 17:18:49 +0000 UTC]

Thats a lot of work for a very cool alter ego though

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TNHawke In reply to Kamuela [2005-04-16 05:49:01 +0000 UTC]

Lol! And it's not done yet! but it's something I've wanted to do- for me- for a very long time. To really get down exactly what I look like. The Griff Ov Sorts has been called Otherkin, an astral form, a psychic impression, a muse, the form of my imagination, the form of my soul. It is simply me- Hawke.

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Kamuela In reply to TNHawke [2005-04-16 16:16:14 +0000 UTC]

My aura/astral form would be angelic, and yellow, and electrical, and floating *daydreams*

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TNHawke In reply to Kamuela [2005-04-17 04:29:14 +0000 UTC]

Lol. Very cool.

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dracontes [2005-04-14 11:56:15 +0000 UTC]

*shock/horror* Where the heck is that alula? You know that without that bastard wing you'll be crash-landing instead of swooping to perch.

Having a patagium under the lift feathers seems redundant to say the least if not downright weird. I like the way you've conjugated mammalian and avian features in the muzzle. And though I can understand the simplification please do utter the proper names of teeths.

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TNHawke In reply to dracontes [2005-04-15 04:47:40 +0000 UTC]

define Alula- it might be there- and I don't know the propper names of teeths- and neither do most of the people who'll be using the ref sheet.

Yes, I know the feathers and membrane are redudant- and probably make a really cool rattley buzz when I fly. I have no idea WHY it is, it just is. so there. NYAH! Lol.

3 pairs of wings on the cherubim is redundant too, but they have 'em.

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dracontes In reply to TNHawke [2005-04-15 10:43:23 +0000 UTC]

After a dreaded DA timeout here is the missing piece of text in the above comment.

Alula, no it ain't there, the structure you show for the wing has no separate thumb. If you can get ahold of a bird just go to the wrist and there or in the proximity you'find a remnant finger (sometimes with a claw) with a tuft of feathers attached. It basically serves to eliminate turbulence when the wing is attacking the air at high angles (relative to the horizontal), which mostly happens when the bird is landing. Albatrosses don't seem to have a sufficiently developed one, so you can guess the picture.

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TNHawke In reply to dracontes [2005-04-16 06:11:12 +0000 UTC]

it's there, it's just not detailed, but it is there. I usually draw the feathers attatched to it. this is what happens when I'm drawing all from the top of my head and no photo refs. I was thinking maybe it was the tendon that allows the primaries to spread- that's at the edge of the membrane- hence why the feathers go THRU the membrane.

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dracontes In reply to TNHawke [2005-04-18 08:16:08 +0000 UTC]

What?! I guess Hawke can only exist as a creature of fantasy because growing feathers through a patagium is a very dificult if not impossible developmental feat. You do mean that the feathers one sees dashed in your schematics go through the membrane, don't you?

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nyokirrr In reply to dracontes [2005-05-07 13:37:54 +0000 UTC]

Hm. I see you're not used with otherkin feelings here, Dracontes. The Griff-Ov-Sorts is the non-human image she has of herself, with all the features she feels, a membrane with feathered wings if she feels like it. That's the power of a mental image: the energy of that image is so strong that, e.g. the Gryphon otherkin feels wings on his back, a beak, fur and feathers...
I've been there also. }:>

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TNHawke In reply to dracontes [2005-04-20 02:05:10 +0000 UTC]

Yup yup. I had an almost ornithologist/major animal fanatic help out with the design of it. I knew there were feathers and membrane, and she helped work out how it might be physically possible. If you like, I can show you the pic she did describing it. In the next ref sheet, I've got a close up image of what it looks like from the outside.

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dracontes In reply to TNHawke [2005-04-15 08:18:29 +0000 UTC]

Or in the Norse Dragon of which I've done a preliminary conceptual (yes it has 6 wings), though the same could be said of insects

Anyway a random bit of culture: Derived from placoid scales (the ones in sharks) teeth in mammalian mouths have the following designations, from front to back, incisors (not present in the ref), canines (fangs), premolars (teeth with one point), molars (teet with three points).
Not only it shows erudition it saves time typing and is unambiguous

And now for my sake could you explain the meaning of "lol". Since I embarqued in this journey I've been earing lol this, lot that, the insurmountable LOLocaust and the creepy lolerphant. So what the heck does it mean in internet lingo?

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TNHawke In reply to dracontes [2005-04-16 06:14:37 +0000 UTC]

*snerk* ::refrains from "lol"ing again:: Laugh Out Loud. a fast way of saying, "I found that amusing to some extent" I will also use it to lighten the mood of what could be construed as a scathing remark and is not intended to be.

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dracontes In reply to TNHawke [2005-04-18 08:09:53 +0000 UTC]

Ah! Finally got that cleared! As I've been only communicating through the internet for a year I'm bound to not know the meaning of a few expressions. Please feel free to lol

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TNHawke In reply to dracontes [2005-04-20 02:07:54 +0000 UTC]

Heh... I remember those days... dang, that's been a long time ago now though. I was very confused by "lol" as well. I thought perhaps it meant "Lots of Love" as the first person I read it from and I almost considered dating for a time.

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Flashgriffin [2005-04-14 05:30:54 +0000 UTC]

This is sure a lot of information!

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TNHawke In reply to Flashgriffin [2005-04-14 05:31:57 +0000 UTC]

wull.... yeah! It's a ref sheet!

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Flashgriffin In reply to TNHawke [2005-04-14 05:32:34 +0000 UTC]

True.

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Roo-Gryphon [2005-04-14 05:30:05 +0000 UTC]

YEY!!! now i can REALLLY draw you buuuttt its missing your face marking o.o

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TNHawke In reply to Roo-Gryphon [2005-04-14 05:32:34 +0000 UTC]

Those are coming on the next one.
for now, go back and look at the portrait. the markings are right on it.

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