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Was going to make this into a stamp, but couldn't be bothered with the small text and all that.Anyway.
Of course this is not the only reason I support gay marriage. And yes I expect much flaming from ignorant people who can't even give me a good reason for their argument other than "it's unnatural" (which it is not, do some research on homosexual animals please) or -insert religious reasoning here-.
I got thinking the other day, with the masses of hate-filled christian preachers in the city lately. Why the fuck shouldn't gays have right to marry? How is it even going to affect the people who are so strongly against it? Someone please explain this to me. Is it simply the fact that society would accept two gay people who are in love? In which case, why would this bother them so? No one is forcing you to marry a gay person. No one is forcing you to watch them kiss or have their wedding if it offends you so much.
How in the WORLD is it going to affect you, really?
Give gay people the rights they deserve!
If there werent so many ignorant hate filled idiots around I'm sure gay marriage wouldve passed by now.
--I am in no way hating against christians. But we all know there are those select few ignorant christians who just don't know when to shut the fuck up and get with the times.
Also, I live in Australia. I do realise there are countries/states that allow gay marriage. But there are still many that don't. Australia for one.
/rant
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Yeah, besides, there's nothing manlier than two dudes being married.
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No it's not wrong at all I'm actually gay
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I don't think it's wrong at all!Β
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The problem is people these days are divided into 2 categories it seems. 1: The people who support gays. 2. Those who are "heartless."
TBH, I don't support them! And yes, a part of it is because of my religion, but that's not the entire reason. When I'm thinking about someone else's decisions, I have to imagine myself in their shoes and I just can't. My brain won't do it. It always comes down to the question: If there was a child, who would be the mom (or so to speak) of the family and who would be the dad (or so to speak) of the family? But that doesn't work, because the whole point of gay is 2 people of the same gender who like each other. I always just end up confused.
BUT WAIT. Just because I don't support them, it doesn't mean I hate them! Yes, gay lives matter! But just because they matter, it doesn't mean I have to have the same opinion.
I say, just let everyone have their own opinion, whether they believe it right or wrong.
If gays want to become romantic partners, OKAY. That's fine! Just don't shove it down my throat!
Seriously though guys. I've looked down at these comments, I know what you all think about it, we don't need to argue! This is an argument that is going to continue for years and years, laws or no.
To those who don't support gays: It's okay! You don't have to! You don't have to pick on those who do!
To those who DO support gays: It's also okay! It's your choice! You don't have to brag about the fact that new laws were made!
People wonder when World War III is gonna happen? I'd take my chances betting that it's happening right now! There aren't guns/nukes/weapons like that, but war is war, and conversations like this are happening everywhere. All around the world. It started sometime, it'll have to end. Let's hope it ends sooner than later.
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Two fathers and two mothers are completely fine. Stop being so close minded.
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I'm not being close-minded, I'm just expressing my own opinion. And if MY opinion makes you think I'm close-minded, then I think you should be more open-minded.
Did you even read what I said or just skim through it?
Look, to summarize, I'm not shoving my beliefs down your throat. So stop shoving yours down mine.
And yeah I don't think it's "completely fine" but does that make me a horrible person? I hardly think so.
Just because I don't share your opinions/beliefs doesn't mean I don't deserve reason.
So instead of seeing what I don't support and getting all butthurt about it, try to see things from my perspective
like how I try to see things from yours.
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I'm not "shoving" any in your throat, but I'm only saying that you can't only imagine a family as just a mom and a dad with a child. Honestly, think about it. How different would two fathers/two mothers really be from a "straight family".Β
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wheres the downvote option, Also, people who support this are just so weird.
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Nah I'd rather go snuggle with my boyfriend and kiss
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Not really, I'm in support of gay marriage rights and I'm quite normal.
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You can't consider yourself normal and say that's checkmate, Sorry but unfortunately for you, I am not an idiot.
And remember, even gay people don't support this.
So there
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why. why r they weird.
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religion and God doesn't want it. that is all. goodbye
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No religion on this earth ever invented the concept of marriage.
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true but two (for lack of a better term) coined it and made it important parts of their faith (the Jewish faith and Christians) if your gonna talk down to someone at least do it well, gather the facts about AND around the argument, see why the person might feel the way they do and then use that against them. have a Llama for your efforts.
also let me just say before you send a reply that you are arguing to someone who's face you can't see and who you probably never meet. I won't respond to something which is such a waste of my time
(this probably sounded super mean so I'll send you a dumb emote to make it feel nicer Β )
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I'm not trying to talk down to you at all, I just wanted to state a fact.
People chat a lot with strangers whose faces they cannot see on the internet by typing all the time. Therefore, whether we meet in person or not or if we see each other's faces or not is completely irrelevant when it comes to people typing messages and comments to each other.
I sincerely apologize if I sounded rude to you.
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Thank you for forgiving me.
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it's all good man don't worry 
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Lots of people don't believe God exists. And religion to them is a fairy tale.
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...look ok I'm going to type this how I would say this but do you know how big of a sh!t cnt thing that is to say. "oh yeah mate lot's of people don't believe in god". lot's of people haven't played mario kart, that doesn't mean I'm going to pee all over the beliefs of the people who have played mario kart. mate if you think that's a justified reason then you can just get off my internet but if your'e just stating a fact then you can have a llama.Β
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But "god" not being okay with gay marriage doesn't apply to everyone is my point. A gay atheist will be unaffected by your "god hates gays" claim.
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of course someone like YOU would do that
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Yeah someone like ME cares about the feelings of gay people. The one who puts my differences from gays aside and decides to let them have basic human rights, like marrying. The one who wants gays to feel safe, to go outside with their lover without feeling like they're going to be attacked and bullied. Of course a kind person like ME would do that.
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look. I'm sure your'e a nice person. you probably didn't get what I was trying to say (my first comment that is, this one I was just trolling you and being rude (I can see Iv'e triggered you and I'm sorry for that) but the reason I'm against gay marriage is because in my religion marriage is a holy bond between man and woman and having gay marriage be legalized won't make me cry and scream, it will just be disappointing seeing this holy ritual lose a lot of it's purpose. if someones gay I don't care. they can do what they like but seeing the words husband and wife lose meaning makes my heart cry a little.
the way I see it the least they could do is call it something aside from "marriage" as even thought Christian are a minority we deserve to be as respected of a customs and ways (also now because of gays I'm being bullied for my pride of my religion and that is purely disgusting that a peace loving religion would be assaulted for sticking to what their God wants makes me cringe) but hopefully this has made me seem like a person who has feelings and that you can respect my reasons for saying what I say as I respect yours. so....yeah. stay sick and sh!t. stand up for what you believe in and don't do drugs. byyyyyyeee~ Β
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Gay marriage won't change the meaning of your "holy bonds between a man and a woman." It's not really affecting your religion that much, it simple, you don't have to have a gay marriage.
And I've never seen Christianity as a minority, it's the most popular religion in the world... If any bullies you for being a Christian, they're really a mean person and clearly close minded.Β
And I will never do drugs, but thanks anyway.
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sick! glad we can agree (mostly).btw since I'm bored I'm going to ask you what is something you despise because of its positive reputation? personally I think nuetulla is the most over rated sandwich spread on earth 
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I like Nutella. It's okay.
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teh gays cannot marry bc teh gays will ruin meh lief and teh evul rainbows gonna keel us all and teh 3rd worl war will start!!! teh HOLEH BEEHBLE dun supports teh gay marriage! teh gays are sinnnnnn bc teh god sayz so!!!!1!111!!! UNO!!! ELEVEN!
(kidding)
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Imagine if you changed traffic laws, I'm sure it wont effect anyone.
Yeah.
Another LGBT closed minded, ignorant claim.
Heads up for the bigoted good-for-nothings.
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How are traffic laws comparable to gay marriage in any way
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Marriage is man + woman.
the road is go this way, return that way.
Marriage is now man + man and woman + woman
Therefore, road is go this way, return also this way. Return that way, also return that way.
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That's a bad analogy sorry. Two people getting married isn't comparable to traffic. Also nobody is trying say marriage is only man + man or woman + woman. People are saying that marriage is between two people regardless of gender.
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People can say whatever appeals to them, that does not make it true, it makes it an opinion.
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I could say the same thing to you. Face it we're both people who think our opinions are true so who knows. To reiterate Traffic is a public thing that people use to get to places and marriage is a more private thing between two people that doesn't affect anyone else but the people getting married. That's all I'm saying.
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You are so stupid..... Do you know your god damn religion did NOT invent marriage!
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Traffic laws are different from gay marriage. Β In traffic, everybody needs to follow the rules. Β If gay marriage was legalized, you aren't forced to marry someone of the same sex.
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I found this website and its crappy arguments: carm.org/gay-marriage-harm , so I'm going to debunk them now.
- It can bring huge financial and emotional stress.
- Homosexuals can sue people who are exercising their religious beliefs. For example, a heterosexual married couple with children who do not want to rent a room in their own family household to homosexuals could be sued for discrimination based on "sexual orientation." This can incur significant financial and emotional stress upon the family--not to mention the "prior restraint" effect of the fear of being sued which results in a family not renting out a room.
Okay, if a state law says that you cannot discriminate against customers/clients based on their sexual orientation, you must follow that law at all times. By the way, I can use the same argument can be said for people who don't want to serve Christians. Tell me, how would you feel if nobody wanted to serve you for being a Christian? You'd be upset and feel like you've been treated as less than a person.Β
The health risks are enormous to themselves and others.
- The fact is that homosexuals do not live as long as heterosexuals due to the health risks associated with the lifestyle, and billions of dollars are spent annually in health care for them. SeeΒ Statistics on HIV/AIDS and health related issues
- But the HIV/AIDS epidemic is not only in the homosexual community. It has crossed over to the heterosexual community.Β
- Whether or not you want to say that HIV/AIDS is a homosexual disease, the fact is that it is highly prevalent among the gay and lesbian community due to their great number of sex partners. The collateral damage to the rest of society, as far as health risks, cannot be denied.
I clicked on that one link and some of its sources seem to come from other Christian websites. Please don't use websites like those, because they are generally biased and could be lying for their own agenda. The cases of HIV that started in 1980 was because the homosexuals weren't using condoms, having multiple partners and they were doing drugs; these are the very things that increases your chances of catching STDs. Not that anybody was aware of the HIV before it all started. Also thanks to sex education, more people, including gays/lesbians/bis, are practicing safer sex, thus reducing the chances of spreading/catching STDs.Β And one more thing, banning gay marriage is not going to stop homosexuals from having sex with each other.Β
Gay Marriage means having the morals of the minority forced upon the majority.
- This can also be said in the reverse. Either way, there is a problem. Normally, morals should not be forced on anyone though there are exceptions. We force morals on others by preventing them from stealing, raping, murdering, etc. So, it is not automatically wrong to force morals on someone. But the issue then becomes what is morally right and wrong in the first place, and altering morals in a society definitely causes stress.
- The percentage of homosexuals in society is less than 5%, yet it is being forced upon the other 95% of society in movies, TV, literature, and political periods.
Back in the old days, black people and other minorities suffered racism in forms of not being able to vote, being put into separate institutions with lower standards, not being able to marry white people, getting lynched, suffered hate crimes, being forced to leave sundown towns, and all that other shit. White people who were against civil rights for minorities felt like they were having morals forced upon them by the minority. Gay people, having suffered as well in the past, are still being discriminated against today. So if anything, I feel tolerance and human rights for gays are a good thing; because they are people just like you and me.
- See the articleΒ Collateral damage effect as a result the change in sexual morals Β for a discussion on the increase in pedophilia, pornography, child pornography, prostitution, and sex trafficking that are occurring in the world. These increases are not due to an increase in conservative sexual morals but a reduction of conservative sexual morals.
Pedophilia and child pornography has always been harmful to children, as well as sex trafficking being harmful to everyone; and I'm pretty sure no one in their right minds would have them legalized. We all know they're bad, so we're not supporting them. And reasons all these bad things look like they're increasing because technology is exposing these secrets; they've always happened, even back before we've heard about these things. Also, I believe legalizing prostitution as a work career can be beneficial as it can provide better working and clean conditions for the sex workers instead of being driven to the back alleys where everything is bad. Abusive pimps will get to be sued in court, bad customers will be banned, and etc. I'd say more, but that's a story for another time. Also, pornography doesn't always harm marriage or cause rape to happen; I mean there can be a loving couple who enjoy watching x-rated movies or using porn to learn different sex positions and practice them. One more thing, I see no way in how gay marriage will increase all these things happening; well except for maybe seeing some homosexual prostitutes and porn actors.
Gay marriage does not reduce the number of children born. Why? Because even if we don't legalize gay marriage, it won't stop homosexuals from living together with one another. Ever heard of cohabitation, people? Also, we have other types of people that don't contribute children to society: infertile people, single people who don't want to be married or have kids, people who would rather adopt than give birth, and heterosexual couples who don't want to have children. I don't see you guys passing out laws against those people. In fact, it's perfectly legal to go without children.Β
- Don't assume that people's spiritual beliefs are irrelevant. People consider spiritual issues to be extremely important, and the stress imposed on religious people by forcing them to "accept" and/or support homosexual practice and/or intimidate them into silence harms a person's spiritual and emotional health.
And you people go and try to force your religious beliefs onto other people, even when they don't want to believe in your God and the holy bible. An atheist, Muslim, Hindi, Jew, etc. being forced to accept Christian beliefs onto them will be just as stressed as you people. Btw, I believe in churches having the choice to either practice gay marriage or not. I mean there are churches who want to do gay marriages; I've heard about them on the local news and I respect them for that. I believe America should legalize gay marriages nationwide, but leave it up to the churches (not the states) to decided whether to do it or not. Besides, there's always secular marriages if non of the religious places in someone's area want to do them.
- Homosexuality is being force fed to our youth via the education system.
- Civil unions are being recognized by employers which effect co-workers, money payouts, work time, etc.
Well good! I love this kind of progress. Equality for everyone!
Ever heard of stopping bullying? Do it! Teach kids not to bully, why it's wrong, and what consequences they'll suffer and everything will be solved.
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To those who antagonize equal marital rights for LGBT couples:
Perhaps the first recorded same-sex marriage in the Western world was with Emperor Nero and one of his servants by the name of Pythagoras (no relation to the Greek mathematician). If a psychopath who literally used people as lanterns has a better idea of marital equality than you, you really need to take a long look in the mirror and admit that your prejudices are beyond childish.
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Because god will smite the earth duh, didn't you read the bible!?
(I'm joking)
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THIS.
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Some people don't understand how I can support gay marriage or not have a problem with gay people and call myself a christian. I'm sorry but I'm against discrimination of any kind including discrimination against homosexuals. Love is love in my eyes, regardless if people are of the same sex or not.
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Gay marriage is NOT going to ruin anybody's lives. I wish some anti gay people would understand that. What if straight marriage was suddenly banned? I know I'd want my rights so why should I try and take someone else's right to get married away? That's not right when people do that.
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XD Aw thanks.
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You're welcome! ^_^
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