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So in protest of the new DMC... I present art from the old DMC. >_>Okay; here comes the rant. Fair warning in advance: TL;DR.
So I tried to reserve judgement about the reboot of the DMC series until I when through the entire thing. Now that that's happened; I present my (admittedly biased) more educated opinion.
The New DMC game is good. And I mean really good. The gameplay is smooth and handles well. The plotline is well thought out, easy to follow, and well paced. I love the new heroine, Kat. She's adorable, useful, and engaging. The villain is not great, but is sufficiently repulsive and powerful. The monsters are cool. The world they created, while vastly different from the elegant DMC universe we are used to, still holds some of those traits while putting a nice layer of grunge over the area.
The only complaint I have is about the twins themselves.
Firstly, Dante looks and acts like an emo 16 year old drug addict. His diction is non-existent in that he slurs way too many words (but he is hungover at the beginning of the game so this is, perhaps, forgivable) and replaces his mocking, witty one-liners with swearing, which he apparently thinks will give the same effect. It doesn't. The game developers seemed to be trying to give him some sort of justified intense hatred of demons, but all he can muster as a sort of half hearted sigh of "demon scum". So his emo attitude now has no direction and no point.
Vergil retains only one trait he had from the old games; he's not as filthy as Dante. They tried to make him elegant in design but sort of overshot (what he's wearing seems to be a combination of a tunic from Lord of the Rings and a coat from Nordstroms). Also, he's a little too vulgar (though admittedly only to Dante) and goes back and forth in behavior between being a "man of the people" and "above these humans, who are like children". This would have worked if he was trying to hide what he was like from the beginning, but he doesn't, so the attitude change just makes him wishy-washy. Also, his voice actor sounds a bit like a 14 year old trying to be his dad over the phone to order pizza.
This point may just be an opinion; but making the twins nephilim (demon/angel hybrid) is a little like the annoying habit that amateur writers have of god-moding your OC in a RP. Instead of keeping a human half (which kept them grounded and gave them a weakness), the twins are now their own, unstoppable and unsympathetic mystic species.
As far as looks go, I can forgive a change in hair color (plus, Dante's hair slowly reverts back to white through the series) and costume, but even in personality, it's like the directors didn't know what they wanted. They wavered between bringing the old twins in, which made us nostalgic, and bringing in new characters that were so different that we wouldn't be reminded of the old ones. Essentially, this served the purpose of destroying an old franchise while not quite launching a new one. And we are left, like Dante, in Limbo.
My conclusion is this; why did they have to call this game Devil May Cry? Just to capture the established fanbase and so they wouldn't have to think up new character names? Because that plan was pretty fail. If they had given this game and the main characters new names, I would have been behind it 100%.
Okay, I'm done. >_>
Apologies for the rant.
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random fun fact: demon/human cross-breeds are called cambion.
another fun fact: nephilim are angel/human cross-breeds and were introduced in the apocryphal Book of Enoch, which also introduced other angel types like principalities, virtues, thrones(which look less like actual thrones and more like wheels with eyes on them) and cherubim(not to be confused with putti, those little fat winged babies. cherubim are warrior angels). the nephilim were described as basically being bloodthirsty giants that were the result of the 'grigori'(watcher) angels having sex with or raping human women. this was part of the reason why god flooded the world for fourty days and nights: to kill the nephilim.
bottom line: shouldn't angels and demons get along like gasoline and fire? i don't think they should be able to breed in the first place
TL;DR the dude who runs ninja theory sucks ass at mythology and the new DmC game sucks
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Ahahah, yeah I remember, I did my ancient Judeo-Christian myth research when when I was writing a script for a comic in high school.
Pity ninja theory couldn't do the same xD I assume they used the name because it sounded cool, but srsly. :/ I suppose it depends on whether they're going with the whole "demons are children of Lilith" or "demons are corrupted angels that fell with Lucifer" thing if we're talking biological compatibility.
Besides that point, I thought it was a pretty good game.... as long as I refrain from thinking of Dante and Vergil as Dante and Vergil xD
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it's not the genetics i'm thinking about. it's the fact that demons are almost always depicted as evil while angels are almost always depicted as good. last time i checked, holy things do not do well in the hands of the unholy, and i'm sure that unholy things don't do well in the hands of the holy either, so shouldn't both parties be destroyed or at least horribly maimed? if we're talking fallen angels, then maybe it'd work, but again, it's the whole holy vs unholy thing.
so annoying as fuck characters aside it's a fairly solid game?
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Yeah, I'm not so much bothered by the process of demon/angel mating (I mean, it's mythology; they can do whatever they want with it) as I am by the fact that they chose to use such a cliched backstory X_x
Yeah : D Fun gameplay, good plot, and all the characters besides the twins are fairly solid =] I wouldn't rank it as memorable as the original dmc or the top of anyone's charts. But certainly worth a playthrough if you can get used to the twins ^^'
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if they weren't named dante and vergil i'd be fine. if it wasn't supposed to be a reboot, i'd be fine.
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Thank you for your fanart, and your rant. I am a big fan of the series myself, but this new game isn't out in my coutry yet and even if it was I wouldn't have the time to play it so soon. So I'm reading critics here and there, keeping an eye out for things, and opinions, well based and thought, not angry rantings from people who haven't even played the game yet, like yours are very valuable to me.
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Ahaha, I'm glad I could be of service. : D Generally, I'd say the game is very much worth it, even if you're loyal to the old series like I am. But in my case, the new twins will take some getting used to. But hey, some people like the change, maybe you'll like it too =]
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I think I'll find it very difficult not to like them. Even it they are not as great as they used to be...
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I agree. Had this new DMC been a different game, with different characters, then emo kid druggie Dante wouldn't have been so much, well, emo kid druggie Dante. It's a bit frustrating that so many franchises have been rebooting recently. I mean, what happened to pushing the envelope, or, at the very least, being original? Have we really run out of ideas? I may still play through the game, since I've heard it is fun, but I'll wait until it's about $30 cheaper.
Also... Nephilim? I don't even think we went that amateur in highschool. I don't know why, but it just gives me a bad taste in my mouth.
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Srsly. D: (Yeah, I would too, or sneak it out of the house of one of your gamer friends xD ) The linked combos are so pretty =w= Yeah, really though, the characters within themselves aren't bad at all. They have development and depth as the story plays on. They're just not Dante and Vergil :/
I know right?! I made so many faces when they got to that part. Not even in my middle school days did I consider god-moding a character with such a cliched backstory. *headdesk*
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Lol. None of my gamer friends here will touch it. XD They're old school DMC fans. When it's under $30, I'll get it. XD
I KNOW!!!! Lol. I hate god-moding anything. Maybe the villain... but not usually. XD
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But...it's a good game... *sigh* Lookit us being all old fashioned and true to our bisheis lol xD But these two have a special place in my heart because we did so much with them in the good old days x3 Hell, this resurgence makes me want to write DMC fics again xD
Lol, god-moding the villain is called dramatic effect. God moding the protagonist is called stupid.
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Lol. I know. But I is broke. Therefore, I wait. Besides, I still have all of... well... half of one Uncharted to beat and I still haven't finished FF Type 0... mostly because I don't speak military Japanese and translating is a pain in the arse. Once all that's done, then I'll get it. If it's cheap.
I know! I kinda wanna write DMC again too, now that I've been looking everything up. Lol.
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Dooooode, let's write. xD No one else in the world fits my writing style as perfectly as you do. We are literary soul mates. I demand fanficcies now!!! Character discussion through email. Go! xD
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YES! NOW! XP Or... when are you available to chat? I can do email, skype, etc. 
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Lmao. I alternate between being insanely busy with cons and pointlessly window-shopping for furniture like a bum (buying a new house soon, gotta spruce it up! : D ) lol. Email me and we shall write. WRITE SUCH THINGS AS THE HEAVENS HAVE NEVER SEEEEENNNN!! Or, y'know, magicky fun stuff like we usually do xD
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Lol. Furniture shopping is fun.
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I understand it was a necessity for them to transfer the rights over to Ninja Theory. but while the game is very good, I still deem the portrayal of the twins inferior to the ones we have come to know and love. >_<
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but still we got the good old 4 games and people like yourself who draw the old spartan brothers
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Actually, new Virgil don't look bad... But we miss the old version of this guys.
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Neither of them are actually that bad, but definitely not as good as the old twins ^^'
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What vulnerability did half-human Dante have that half-angel Dante doesn't?
With regards to why this had to be a DMC chapter (or side chapter) Capcom lately has been in dire straights to get their franchises up in profitability--with the exception of Street Fighter and Monster Hunter, of course.) The brass over there thought that the only way they could stay fresh was to loan their long running franchises over to Western developers, since somehow all the money was going to that hemisphere. (It was actually just Call of Duty, Halo, and Gears of War)
I for one, didn't know that DMC needed a reboot 0_o I've owned all of the past installments (except the second one). I also know that all the changes were encouraged and approved by Capcom---Ninja Theory's original designs stayed too close to the classic Dante (with a red coat and white hair) and Capcom actually came down on them for being too much like 'fan art' (ouch). Capcom got it in their heads that they needed to 'Batman Begins' the franchise to capture more people--Ninja spent close to year just workshopping the Dante design alone with Capcom.
Needless to say, I'm curious to see how their sales game plays out as a result.
Also, I believe the official word from Ninja Theory is that they are playing the 'alternate reality' card on DmC---so a person could treat it as just another continuity. To some people, that's lessened the sting.
It all reminds me of the Escaflowne TV series versus the movie. (for the record, I was noddafan of the movie 
As for Vergil, I really didn't get a hint of his stance on humanity till the very end; I did not notice a wavering/back-and-forth position myself. I mean, I *knew* he was gonna flip out somehow, naturally. But until he announced his grab for power over the human 'children' in the final scene, I really did not suspect it. To be honest, it blindsided me as I honestly felt that the story was cleanly wrapping up. So I actually got to join in the with the reaction as I watched it dawn on Kat and Dante's face--the shock of betrayal was palpable, thanks mostly to the super cool face acting of the character models
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Not physically, and not exactly "vulnerabilities", more "relatable qualities" I guess you could call it? The undertones of Dante's recklessness with his own life and constant smile from before (a large part of his personality) was a unfulfillable death wish from loosing his family, and that survivor's guilt is very much human. It does take a while to notice under all the bravado, but they do explore it in the licensed manga. Also, even when younger, classic Dante had human friends, whereas new Dante's only human contact before Kat seems to be painted whores.
I don't blame you, DMC2 was a travesty to mankind. I've discounted it from the continuum >_>
Yeah, the alternate reality thing is the only reason I didn't throw a hissy fit for two days straight. I still hissed a fit for the aforementioned reasons but I'm slowly calming down and getting used to it lol.
I didn't realize Capcom was in financial difficulty. D:
On Vergil; really? You didn't think so? xD I knew he was trying to be Mundus' replacement in the scene when he met Dante. When he stuck out his hand to silence Kat without even looking at her (subtle indication of his "I am superior" stance). Completely confirmed when he left her to be captured without even trying to help. Train of thought went: He is a man who is fond of order + at the top of it in his own little world + used to power and likes it + cares more for his work than his employees. A man like that doesn't do anything for "the people". Thus; the only option is "New World Order". I actually expected him to turn a lot earlier (when he shot Mudus' demon spawn).
Still, I hope they do well, it is a very good game. But you know how it is; for people (especially girls) who are so attached to already established characters, major changes will always seem weird.
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ah, good point then--I had never read the manga back in the day. And as far as the limited list of Dante's human contact goes, don't forget to add 'riot police'
And while I agree that Dante has a mistrust/dislike for demons, it's well founded--they blew up his orphanage after all! However,the meeting with the old demon Phineas shows that Dante can learn to take off the hate goggles pretty quickly.
And yeah, now I'm remembering more of Vergil's actions earlier on---what I meant to say was, I knew he was destined to power grab as much as Uncle Ben is destined to die 
I do like how they played up the Prince and the Pauper set up with the twins--Dante was essentially a hedonistic bottom feeding thrill seeker who figured his life wasn't worth much (in light of frequent assassination attempts), and he lived in a TRAILER ON THE BAY. And Vergil had, well, Vergil had shiny tight pants, the biggest throne I've ever seen, as well as a personalized 'V' on his car's dashboard. I kinda love how self absorbed this Vergil is, it's ridiculous
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Lmao, okay, he has human...er...enemquaintences? xD
I'm pleased with new Dante's character development as well. He got his big boy pants on quick and Phineas was a good influence on him =] Once again, I declare that as a character in himself, he's not bad at all. It's just that I'm so used to and so fond of the old Dante that every time he swears or smokes I just wanna go "stawp it right now D<"
Oh freaking Godzilla Mundus X_x It brought PTSD from fighting Galactus in Ultimate Mvs.C3 lol.
Oh man don't even get me started on how much of a prick Vergil is xD In addition to his personalized everything, I'm still trying to get over his 1950's movie star hat and the logic of wearing a brown shirt with sky blue gloves under the coat. X_x Terrible.
Kat made everything worth it though. I love her >w< She's so freaking cute. I think I like her almost as much as Lady. <3
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Vergil turning dark side so easily, was a bit... rushed, I felt. I was hoping that a steadier fall to the dark side, as he takes more and more extreme measures to protect humanity from itself was going to be a plot of the DLC, or maybe even a second game. Without a doubt, I knew Vergil was willing to cross lines to defeat Mundus, that much is obvious from the beginning of DmC. But his particular stance of "We have to protect humanity by being in charge" should've been explored more.
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good point! I was really wondering if maybe they would push the 'fall' for DLC or into the sequel (Anakin took 3 episodes to fully fall, after all). Like I said, I had literally forgotten that Vergil was supposed to flip sides by the end of the game
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Well put. In the original games, Angels didn't even exist (Those aren't angels in DMC4, they're demons that -look- it). It was just humans and Demons, and Dante and Vergil were basically immortal, and had no weaknesses. All the main characters are pretty damn "god modded" and always have been. Hell, the white hair screams "I'm special".
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Hell, classic DMC was a world where even regular ol' humans could be super badass--remember Lady and her acrobatic grappling rocket launcher antics?
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