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sweepea14 [2021-03-10 19:14:34 +0000 UTC]
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Tzoli In reply to sweepea14 [2021-03-10 20:04:34 +0000 UTC]
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sweepea14 [2021-03-10 17:09:44 +0000 UTC]
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Tzoli In reply to sweepea14 [2021-03-10 17:43:08 +0000 UTC]
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MightyJoeP [2019-12-05 20:25:52 +0000 UTC]
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Tzoli In reply to MightyJoeP [2019-12-05 20:35:53 +0000 UTC]
You need it much longer. Look at the space between the funnels!
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Tzoli In reply to Karmack67 [2019-10-24 19:56:42 +0000 UTC]
You see the upper right corner? This was an 1938 design. No one would expect the next war to be a carrier based battle mostly with aircrafts.
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MacPaul [2019-08-28 19:19:37 +0000 UTC]
Basically a nonsense design.
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Tzoli In reply to MacPaul [2019-08-28 19:34:30 +0000 UTC]
Why do you think so?
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MacPaul In reply to Tzoli [2019-08-31 17:12:36 +0000 UTC]
It cannot fight other battleships without exposing itself to massive danger with only 8 inch armour, it's way too heavy for its armour, and with a length of 300 meters it'd have difficulties manoeuvring in harbour.
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Tzoli In reply to MacPaul [2019-08-31 17:19:23 +0000 UTC]
When you seen a warship manoeuvre in harbour with it's own power??? That what Tugboats are for.
It's not designed to against battleships I think, with that high speed it could run down heavy cruisers.
Displacement isn't a factory of ONLY ARMOUR it also comes from armament, their armour, engine and overall ship size.
Also you don't take into consideration that 8" armour's length! It's like 200m long between the barbettes! That is a very long part of the ship requiring armour!
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MacPaul In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-01 05:56:02 +0000 UTC]
The length of a ship determines how well it can be handled in harbours and dry docks, that is not a question of it manoeuvring on his own, ships of such length are a nightmare.
If it's not designed to fight battleships, what is it designed for then? To hunt down enemy heavy cruisers and fight them with 16 inch shells? Come on!
You make cool drawings my dear, but your military knowledge as such is limited. Anyway, I don't intend to follow this further, cause it is basically just art and a drawing; I just wanted to mention that cause this design is too far away from being practically.
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Tzoli In reply to MacPaul [2019-09-01 09:30:54 +0000 UTC]
The Forrestal class with was longer then this design surely have no problem with docking facilities. The USN economy have the strength to extend it's facilities so again limited issue with construction. Warships were not designed for Harbour movement, they were yes restricted by depth of harbours.
You seem to forget that apart from the USA there was only 4 16" armed battleships afloat in 1938 the Two Nelsons and the two Nagatos of which both can be easily outrun by this ship and both carried 45 calibre cannons which could be outranged by this vessel even using the old Lexington type weapons.
Yes 8" armour is limited but it has to be to achieve the lower displacement for the speed required.
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MacPaul In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-02 12:23:46 +0000 UTC]
So what? This is all highly theoretically, as many other things in (naval) warfare have been. You sound like Fisher to me. Fact remains that such ships serve almost no purpose and never would have been build.
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Tzoli In reply to MacPaul [2019-09-02 16:39:24 +0000 UTC]
Then my dear sir, never-were warships isn't for you I think.
There is a Universe, an alternative universe out there where these ships were built rather the Iowas.
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MacPaul In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-04 13:01:47 +0000 UTC]
No, your drawings deal with could have been or planned ships, not with alternative universe ships.
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Tzoli In reply to MacPaul [2019-09-04 15:11:27 +0000 UTC]
No a could had been as described was a could had been they would had been chosen if history takes a different turn hence different universe
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MacPaul In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-07 10:23:16 +0000 UTC]
You cannot be helpedβ¦
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Tzoli In reply to MacPaul [2019-09-07 10:59:34 +0000 UTC]
Maybe you do not understand the concept of the multiverse and alternative realities?
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MacPaul In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-10 14:37:42 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, maybeβ Β
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leovictor [2019-07-13 02:20:37 +0000 UTC]
Jackie Fisher would have loved this ship.
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Tzoli In reply to leovictor [2019-07-13 09:38:10 +0000 UTC]
Most likely
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GotterJager [2019-07-09 05:21:47 +0000 UTC]
Longtana
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GotterJager In reply to Tzoli [2019-07-09 19:44:18 +0000 UTC]
That is long long man.
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cosmoflanker [2019-07-02 19:32:53 +0000 UTC]
I think you mean "Fast" Battleship in the title.Β Also the link for the original sketch is no good.Β But oh boy am I happy you are doing these!
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Tzoli In reply to cosmoflanker [2019-07-02 20:24:45 +0000 UTC]
Fixed I don't know why DA screw that up I'm sure I've put the right name. As for the link imgur somehow did not saved the original image...
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uglygosling [2019-07-02 00:07:55 +0000 UTC]
Looks like an updated version of the Lexington class CCs, not well protected by BB standards but potentially formidable AA escorts with 40mm Bofors and 20mm Oerlikons added.
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Tzoli In reply to uglygosling [2019-07-02 15:22:39 +0000 UTC]
IT's a long and fast ship plenty of space for such equipment
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AngelisGoodwen [2019-07-01 20:52:39 +0000 UTC]
It looks like it would have devastating broadside but a skilled torpedo bomber would have and easy time taking it out.Β Still a nice ship.
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Tzoli In reply to AngelisGoodwen [2019-07-02 15:22:23 +0000 UTC]
Underwater defence I do not know but an 1938 slow Devastator would had issues with the 5"/38 guns
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AngelisGoodwen In reply to Tzoli [2019-07-02 15:52:38 +0000 UTC]
Perhaps, but I don't think four dedicated AA guns it enough...
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Tzoli In reply to AngelisGoodwen [2019-07-02 16:03:44 +0000 UTC]
This was the standard suite until WW2 even the CA2-D had this kind of armament, rembmer the Yamato as designed in 1936/37 had only 8 triple 25mm guns, the French were even worse!
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AngelisGoodwen In reply to Tzoli [2019-07-02 16:19:08 +0000 UTC]
Fair point.Β I forgot the time frame...
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AngelisGoodwen In reply to Tzoli [2019-07-02 18:19:32 +0000 UTC]
Yeah.............I really need to brush up on my ship history......
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Tzoli In reply to AngelisGoodwen [2019-07-02 20:20:02 +0000 UTC]
That or just check the date I state of the design on the image.
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AngelisGoodwen In reply to Tzoli [2019-07-02 20:27:03 +0000 UTC]
Fair point.......
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