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TheAlexGuy [2023-09-12 14:30:11 +0000 UTC]
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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-07 16:17:32 +0000 UTC]
With 1945 Lion Shinano is as good as useless. It's modern AA guns would shred the IJN aircraft to pieces.
Yamato and Musashi was only battleships. There were no such ship as a superbattleship.
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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-07 18:55:05 +0000 UTC]
There were no RN ship which could fight the Yamato on equal terms. the closest was Nelson and Rodney because of their main weaponry. Closest to Yamato was the N3 design.
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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-08 07:22:22 +0000 UTC]
Sorry but you should ask that at a naval forum. There are more people in such forums and more knowledgable then me regarding this matter.
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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-08 12:48:05 +0000 UTC]
No, that is a drawing from wikipedia made by an artist 11 years ago.
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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-08 17:44:36 +0000 UTC]
Why are you locked with Lion and Montana?
Both the USN and the RN designed more heavily armed ships then those two!
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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-09 14:25:21 +0000 UTC]
Those two are the actual Yamato and Musashi as modernised for modern times ala Iowa from an Anime. Today you don't need a battleship because there is no battleship to fight with. Aircraft and anti ship missiles are way more practical. The closest to Battleship in modern times was the Arsenal ship concept of the USN and the Kirov class BCGN's of the Soviet Union
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darkwanderer123456 In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-08 17:42:28 +0000 UTC]
Is 30 knots.
Also H-44 is gigantic and an impractical mess to appease silly mustache man crazy political ideas, not a single dockyards or harbors in Germany can hold her nor German have the industry, resources or material to begin with, is a big "unsinkable" fortress but a large forces of aircraft will sink her just fine, the comparison just outright dumb and nonsense.
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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-07 14:34:38 +0000 UTC]
I've NEVER said it could defeat it but as Montana would overpower Yamato in pure number of fired shells, the same would apply to the 1945 Lions. The Mark IV cannons in Mark III turrets would fire 3 shells per minute from each barrel and these shells would be similar to the Iowa's.
That is 3 x 9 x 1.080kg = 29.160kg per minute
VS
1,5-2 x 9 x 1.460kg = 19.710-26.280kg per minute
Yamato indeed would penetrate Lion's armour in every battle range. Lion would had troubles penetrating Yamato's armour at almost every range but the sheer firepower it could lob at Yamato would damage the superstrucutre seriously.
Yamato's optical rangefinders are superior and would dominate in day battle but Lion's electronics would be modern and dominate in the night
And I top your Yamato drawing with mine:
Yamato class Battleship Final Form 1945
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darkwanderer123456 In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-07 16:05:49 +0000 UTC]
The most important notes to literally everyone asking for 1v1 duel: who's gonna land the first hit? that's up to the admiral decision, tactics, strategy and thinking before do anything not just some flat out battleships comparisons.
With the advanced technologies like radar and more modern FCS which Montana and Lion would dominate Yamato, then again Yamato also have excellent optics that help her against those battleship during day-light, while at night she will be struggle.
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darkwanderer123456 In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-07 17:44:46 +0000 UTC]
Make a guess, i think you know result well but here's a thing, human error and poor decision will happen, it might doom the whole ship and crews, even you have the most advanced technologies on board.
Am guessing you still new to whole warship histories i suppose? Also Tzoli is an expert and ex-wows players who contributing a lot to communities, see his Yamato drawing series and sources linked in his post.
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darkwanderer123456 In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-08 17:06:53 +0000 UTC]
Then they're 100% Gary Stu absolute chads clapping on every American ships with no need for support, take America, win the war and we watch animes everyday, ez clap.
Look i think you should go alternative universe naval history forum and ask those people in communities, most questions you ask already slipped out of reality into fantasies.
To give notes to your comments above:
- What will make United States lose the war? what factor? what decision? what things make them to stop the war and let Japanese continue advance further on China and pacific sea? How did Japanese gain any advantages during the pre-war?
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darkwanderer123456 In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-10 10:37:34 +0000 UTC]
Lol, how exactly they won again? by what? magic? anime? you literally jump straight into IJN won because whatever reasons.
This isn't how an "average" naval historian ask, this is the how an average fantasy writer ask, also your typing and grammar are terrible.
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