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Description Design D incorporates the ideas of the C version and makes the citadel the shortest possible thus reducing length and displacement as a consequence.
www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/L…

The design had these characteristics:

Dimensions: 268,22 (pp) 281,94(wl) x 36,57m x 10,82m
Displacement: 56.450tons (Standard), 66.000tons (full load)
Engines: 154.000shp Parsons Steam Turbines, 4 shafts

Speed: 54km/h (29knots)
Range: 11.100km at 37km/h (6.000nm at 20knots)
Armour: 102mm, Deck over machinery 152mm over magazines, 330mm Belt over machinery and 381mm over magazines (356mm mean thickness).
Armaments: 

3x3 16"/45 (406mm/45) BL Mk IV Cannons,

12x2 4,5"/45 (114mm/45) QF Mk V DP-AA Guns,

10x6, OQF Mk IX, 8x2 Mk X (STAAG) and 14x1 Mk VII 40mm/56 AA Guns

Sensor suite:
18x Type 262 Fire-control Radar one for each CRBFD and twin 40mm STAAG mounts
2x Type 274 Fire-control Radar one for each main armament director/rangefinder
1x Type 277Q Surface-air search Radar on the aft mast above the LRS.1 director
1x Type 291 Air-warning Radar on top of the aft mast above the Type 960
1x Type 293M Surface search Radar on the mainmast above the forward LRS.1 director
8x Type 901X Fire-control Radar, two for each LRS.1 director
8x Type 903 Fire-control Radar, one for each MRS.3 director
1x Type 960 Air-warning Radar on top of the aft mast
1x Type 960M Air search Radar on top of the mainmast


Data table:
i.imgur.com/rhaX9RM.jpg
i.imgur.com/AvCwSHQ.jpg
i.imgur.com/r3IFQPY.jpg

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Comments: 37

TheAlexGuy [2023-09-12 14:30:11 +0000 UTC]

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Tzoli In reply to TheAlexGuy [2023-09-13 06:03:42 +0000 UTC]

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TheAlexGuy In reply to Tzoli [2023-09-13 07:48:27 +0000 UTC]

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Tzoli In reply to TheAlexGuy [2023-09-13 09:35:13 +0000 UTC]

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TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-07 16:12:27 +0000 UTC]

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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-07 16:17:32 +0000 UTC]

With 1945 Lion Shinano is as good as useless. It's modern AA guns would shred the IJN aircraft to pieces.

Yamato and Musashi was only battleships. There were no such ship as a superbattleship.

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-07 17:37:42 +0000 UTC]

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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-07 18:55:05 +0000 UTC]

There were no RN ship which could fight the Yamato on equal terms. the closest was Nelson and Rodney because of their main weaponry. Closest to Yamato was the N3 design.

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-08 03:13:36 +0000 UTC]

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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-08 07:22:22 +0000 UTC]

Sorry but you should ask that at a naval forum. There are more people in such forums and more knowledgable then me regarding this matter.

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-08 12:03:57 +0000 UTC]

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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-08 12:48:05 +0000 UTC]

No, that is a drawing from wikipedia made by an artist 11 years ago.

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-08 12:57:20 +0000 UTC]

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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-08 13:25:07 +0000 UTC]

ok

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-08 17:19:47 +0000 UTC]

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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-08 17:44:36 +0000 UTC]

Why are you locked with Lion and Montana?
Both the USN and the RN designed more heavily armed ships then those two!

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-08 18:19:42 +0000 UTC]

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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-08 18:55:58 +0000 UTC]

What do you mean?

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-08 23:00:10 +0000 UTC]

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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-09 05:03:15 +0000 UTC]

One word: Aircraft

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-09 12:17:57 +0000 UTC]

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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-09 14:25:21 +0000 UTC]

Those two are the actual Yamato and Musashi as modernised for modern times ala Iowa from an Anime. Today you don't need a battleship because there is no battleship to fight with. Aircraft and anti ship missiles are way more practical. The closest to Battleship in modern times was the Arsenal ship concept of the USN and the Kirov class BCGN's of the Soviet Union

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-10 13:12:23 +0000 UTC]

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darkwanderer123456 In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-08 17:42:28 +0000 UTC]

Is 30 knots.


Also H-44 is gigantic and an impractical mess to appease silly mustache man crazy political ideas, not a single dockyards or harbors in Germany can hold her nor German have the industry, resources or material to begin with, is a big "unsinkable" fortress but a large forces of aircraft will sink her just fine, the comparison just outright dumb and nonsense.  

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to darkwanderer123456 [2019-09-08 18:20:41 +0000 UTC]

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darkwanderer123456 In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-08 19:04:22 +0000 UTC]

huh?

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TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-07 14:05:59 +0000 UTC]

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Tzoli In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-07 14:34:38 +0000 UTC]

I've NEVER said it could defeat it but as Montana would overpower Yamato in pure number of fired shells, the same would apply to the 1945 Lions. The Mark IV cannons in Mark III turrets would fire 3 shells per minute from each barrel and these shells would be similar to the Iowa's.
That is 3 x 9 x 1.080kg = 29.160kg per minute
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1,5-2 x 9 x 1.460kg = 19.710-26.280kg per minute
Yamato indeed would penetrate Lion's armour in every battle range. Lion would had troubles penetrating Yamato's armour at almost every range but the sheer firepower it could lob at Yamato would damage the superstrucutre seriously.
Yamato's optical rangefinders are superior and would dominate in day battle but Lion's electronics would be modern and dominate in the night

And I top your Yamato drawing with mine:
Yamato class Battleship Final Form 1945

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to Tzoli [2019-09-07 15:05:02 +0000 UTC]

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darkwanderer123456 In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-07 16:05:49 +0000 UTC]

The most important notes to literally everyone asking for 1v1 duel: who's gonna land the first hit? that's up to the admiral decision, tactics, strategy and thinking before do anything not just some flat out battleships comparisons.


With the advanced technologies like radar and more modern FCS which Montana and Lion would dominate Yamato, then again Yamato also have excellent optics that help her against those battleship during day-light, while at night she will be struggle.

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to darkwanderer123456 [2019-09-07 17:33:44 +0000 UTC]

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darkwanderer123456 In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-07 17:44:46 +0000 UTC]

Make a guess, i think you know result well but here's a thing, human error and poor decision will happen, it might doom the whole ship and crews, even you have the most advanced technologies on board.


Am guessing you still new to whole warship histories i suppose? Also Tzoli is an expert and ex-wows players who contributing a lot to communities, see his Yamato drawing series and sources linked in his post.

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to darkwanderer123456 [2019-09-08 06:13:02 +0000 UTC]

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darkwanderer123456 In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-08 17:06:53 +0000 UTC]

Then they're 100% Gary Stu absolute chads clapping on every American ships with no need for support, take America, win the war and we watch animes everyday, ez clap.


Look i think you should go alternative universe naval history forum and ask those people in communities, most questions you ask already slipped out of reality into fantasies.


To give notes to your comments above:

- What will make United States lose the war? what factor? what decision? what things make them to stop the war and let Japanese continue advance further on China and pacific sea? How did Japanese gain any advantages during the pre-war?

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to darkwanderer123456 [2019-09-09 12:36:28 +0000 UTC]

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darkwanderer123456 In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-09 16:39:21 +0000 UTC]

Man On The High Castle.

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to darkwanderer123456 [2019-09-10 09:42:53 +0000 UTC]

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darkwanderer123456 In reply to TakasugiEisaku [2019-09-10 10:37:34 +0000 UTC]

Lol, how exactly they won again? by what? magic? anime? you literally jump straight into IJN won because whatever reasons.


This isn't how an "average" naval historian ask, this is the how an average fantasy writer ask, also your typing and grammar are terrible.

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TakasugiEisaku In reply to darkwanderer123456 [2019-09-10 13:00:02 +0000 UTC]

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