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hollyparry [2019-12-13 21:32:34 +0000 UTC]
Other then Goku as one of my favorite dads, I also love Goofy and Splinter too. It's been ages but I also remember Darkwing Duck too. I haven't seen him since I was a kid. But wow.
Goofy is such a nice dad. Those Goofy movies are the best, it's been a while. Splinter is wise and compassionate. He cares very deeply for the Turtles and loves them for who they are. Even as teenagers. Ha ha ha ha!
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UlisaBarbic In reply to hollyparry [2019-12-13 22:22:31 +0000 UTC]
I always thought Goofy was an awesome dad. I loved the movies but I really fell in love with Dad Goofy through Goof Troop. Very understanding and compassionate no matter the situation.
Splinter I really like movie and 87 Splinter. Others aren’t bad but I have my own little gripes with them. Still overall good characters though!
Darkwing is a big favorite. A good but flawed parent but oh so funny!
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hollyparry In reply to UlisaBarbic [2019-12-16 19:34:36 +0000 UTC]
It's been a long time since I've watched Disney shows like Goof Troop, yet I use to watch it. Goofy is great.
Splinter never ceases to amaze. For me, no matter what the version, Splinter is the best dad ever in the series and on my 10 list too.
As I said, dads aren't perfect of course, but what matters most is the love they have for their children. Parents make mistakes and that can't be helped.
The dads I see and know best on your list are the greatest. Some I've never even heard of, but if they're good parents, I'd love them too.
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UlisaBarbic In reply to hollyparry [2019-12-16 19:43:40 +0000 UTC]
I always love seeing good parents in shows but especially good Dads. Media tends to give Dads a bad rap so I love to celebrate when they’re done well!
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hollyparry In reply to UlisaBarbic [2019-12-17 20:51:26 +0000 UTC]
You and me both. No worries at all.
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hollyparry [2019-10-24 20:20:41 +0000 UTC]
Goku is certainly one of my favorite fathers. He's willing to take the fall for his children and everyone. I refuse to believe that he's a bad father.
You won't hear any complaints from me because I too believe Goku's a wonderful dad.
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UlisaBarbic In reply to hollyparry [2019-10-24 21:15:24 +0000 UTC]
Yay! Yes, Goku is amazing and I really think it’s just become popular to hate on him.
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hollyparry In reply to UlisaBarbic [2019-10-25 19:41:56 +0000 UTC]
Well, I don't care what anyone else says. I think they're also just sending a bad message which is kind of irresponsible too.
True, Goku's not perfect, but a lot of good parents aren't. They're gonna make mistakes, and it's to be expected.
I've seen Goku protect Gohan more then anything. Like in Cooler's Revenge, Goku took a Dragon Ball Z version of a "bullet" for Gohan when Cooler attacked. That could've been Gohan, but Goku saved him. Also, in the Tree of Might, Goku helped Gohan keep Icarus. When Chichi forbid Gohan to see that dragon, Goku on the other hand felt Gohan should have an animal friend and setup a place for Icarus inside a cave. Gohan got to play with Icarus and you should see how happy Gohan was to have a friend of his very own. All thanks to his father. That was sweet.
My favorite moment in Dragon Ball Z was where Goku and Gohan trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. I honestly believe Goku really wanted to not only help Gohan get stronger, but to also spend time with him too. And when Gohan didn't make Super Saiyan right away or passed out on his father or felt like he was slowing him down, Goku never once got cross or mad at him. He understood stuff doesn't just happen in an instant. Goku was actually very patient with his son. That's one of the things that makes Goku a good father. And that's more than enough.
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UlisaBarbic In reply to hollyparry [2019-10-25 20:19:15 +0000 UTC]
Agree 100%! Say what you will about Goku but he loves his son. I really don’t see the “Goku thinks of his family as friends” concept with Gohan. The way he acts in the anime and manga just doesn’t back it up, especially prior to the Android Saga. We’ve seen Goku can develop bonds with people and Krillin is arguably the most important friend he has. I’d even call what they have a fraternal connection.He has strong respect and admiration for Master Roshi. He had deep love and connection to his grandfather. These are all different levels of affection and different types so to say he can’t see anyone beyond friendship...that, to me, makes no sense.
I have never understood the meme of Goku being a bad father. While he's far from perfect, I'd say that he has got the most vital aspects of fatherhood down in that he obviously loves and cares for his kids. One thing that I think a lot of people overlook too is that Goku was there from birth until Gohan was four which are considered by many to be the most important years when it comes to bonding and attachment. Goku got those vital years with Gohan and I really think it's reflected in their relationship in contrast to Goten's.
He was there for Gohan for most of his life and his decision to stay dead after Cell could honestly be interpreted either way. Personally, I never really saw that as a bad decision. Would it have been better if he had stayed, given that the bad stuff kept coming? Well, yeah, but his motivation and reasoning behind it, at the time, made a lot of sense. There's a saying in counseling that we make the best decision in the circumstances we have. Can we look back on it in hindsight and say that it wasn't a good move, yes, but for the time, I can see how it made sense.
As for Goku giving a bean to Cell, again, I can see a side to this that is actually not a negative. Now, does it look absolutely horrible to power up the thing going to attack your child, yes but I also saw it as "I am so confident in what my child is capable of that I'm going to give you a handicap to go back to full power." Definitely not the wisest move Goku ever made but again, I see it as a demonstration of his utter confidence in his son.
Gohan's behaviors when he's around Goku really speak volumes to me too. When he's with Goku, alone, in the Time Chamber, Gohan's confidence just swells. He seems to let down his walls and just be who he is which is a great thing to see. I've mentioned it before but I'll bring it up again--I think Gohan feels he can be who he is around his father without having to worry about being accepted or ridiculed or anything like that. There's a genuineness when they're together that I've always loved.
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UlisaBarbic In reply to hollyparry [2019-10-28 19:40:35 +0000 UTC]
Amen to that. I definitely agree with Gohan having more choice than people think. I never got the impression he hated fighting just killing. He always seems ready to spar or train with his dad. So nice to find someone that shares that thought!
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Tiffany-chan123 [2017-12-15 17:57:37 +0000 UTC]
Personally...I agree with you 100%....Though I can think of some other parents that are pretty darn good....
Greg Universe (Steven Universe)
Professor Utonium (Powerpuff Girls)
Mrs. Brisby (Secret of NIMH)
Nicole and Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball)
Bob and Linda Belcher (Bob's Burgers)
And.... Vegeta, Bulma and Chi Chi (Dragon Ball Z)
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hollyparry In reply to Tiffany-chan123 [2019-10-31 16:44:27 +0000 UTC]
Bob and Linda are certainly good parents too. Unlike Peter Griffin and Stan Smith, Bob Belcher is actually a really good father. I've seen it. Linda's also a very supportive mother and will get up in someone's face if they mess with her children.
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UlisaBarbic In reply to Tiffany-chan123 [2017-12-15 18:07:14 +0000 UTC]
Oh there are definitely more. It was hard narrowing it down to 10!
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Tiffany-chan123 In reply to UlisaBarbic [2017-12-15 19:07:20 +0000 UTC]
Yep! When parents in animation are bad....There bad....When there good though....They are awesome! Parent or not!
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UlisaBarbic In reply to Tiffany-chan123 [2017-12-15 20:04:47 +0000 UTC]
Agreed! I love too when they have flaws but they are still good. Makes sense to me. Scrooge, Goku, ChiChi, Goofy, Splinter etc...they aren’t perfect but they love their kids and that is the most important aspect!
I love seeing Goku and Scrooge in particular get deathly serious when you mess with their kids.
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Emily-Young [2013-07-30 14:23:09 +0000 UTC]
I agree, over all Goku is a good parent...The only problems I had with Goku were as following.
1. Not seeming to care much about his kids in the fight with Buu. (Such as letting Goten, Gohan and Trunks all blow up with the planet.) Although, maybe there wasn't enough time to save him? Never understood that...
2. And of course the one where Goku talks about Chichi and Bulma like they are some THING he can just give away. (I felt Goku was waaay outta character here. I mean, since when did Goku start being perverted?)
3. And then of course at the end of DBZ he just...LEAVES! And he doesn't even have a good reason to go off and train Uub! He just...WANTS to fight him again!
But that's just 3 things I don't like about Goku.
I don't think it's true that he's a bad parent though. If he was, he wouldn't have given is life to save Gohan, TRAIN Gohan to be a man, or encourage Gohan to defeat Cell. Personally my last Favorite Saga was the Cell Saga..Mainly because I fely Goku had a different personality in the Buu saga...But except for a few places, I guess the Buu saga was okay.
But anyway, Goku is a great father, and I don't think he deserves all the criticism he gets.
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UlisaBarbic In reply to Emily-Young [2013-07-31 02:13:16 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for your comments. Yes, I agree Goku gets a whole lot of bad rap and I really don't think much of it is deserved, at least not to extent that people hound on him for it. I also, personally, don't think Piccolo is a replacement for Goku though I can understand why some fans do. In my opinion, Gohan respects Piccolo immensely as a friend, teacher and trainer, no doubt has some love for him in a paternal manner but Piccolo is NOT his dad. He states in the manga that he respects Piccolo "almost" as much as his dad. I just hear a lot of fans say that Piccolo is REALLY Gohan's father and I don't think that is true in the slightest.
You do bring up some very good points. As for Goku not saving his kids when the Earth blew up, I actually think they handled that pretty well, mainly because of the animation. Goku constantly looking over at them, unconscious, going as fast as he can to save them but isn't able to. I also think Goku knew if he kept Dende alive, he could always keep the Dragonballs around; Mr Satan just happened to be lucky enough to be with Dende in my book. Goku's pained look and then the pure silence he greets Vegeta with when they are saved and the boys are not speaks a lot to me. Goku doesn't seem to have many regrets in his life but I bet that one action is one of them.
Yeah, Goku being all perverted never really sat right with me either though I think the scene was mainly played up for laughs. Given the situation, I try to forgive Goku with the knowledge he was trying to save tge world but yeah, he could have chosen a better route. Though, I do LOVE the eding when Gohan goes off ot fight Buu and he and Goku share that brief hug. Loced that scene.
As for Goku leaving at the end of Z, I always figured he would train some with Uub then come back home and visit. That would be acceptable to me. Given he can instantly teleport, it makes logical sense to my brain, LOL. Though, I never saw the point of Goku having to train another kid. He had already trained 2! I think the ending would have gone much better to see Gohan take up his father's mantle...that seems to be what they were building up to all this time anyway but I digress.
And yes, I love the Cell Saga. I find the Buu saga entertaining because it does have some interesting parts and overall, I find Trunks and Goten funny but it does not hold a candle to the Cell saga. That, to me, would have been a perfect series finisher. That Gohan is who Gohan is I believe. I never did buy the "become a scholar" thing because I believe that was fed to him by his mother so constantly but his actions say he likes to be a protector. Takes after his father in that regard...
Anyway, I loved hearing your thoughts. Son Goku doesn't get nearly enough credit for his parenting skills that he should!
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Emily-Young In reply to UlisaBarbic [2013-07-31 02:52:51 +0000 UTC]
Lol, true. I had a funny thought once though, about Goku pretending he has a twin sister, and kisses old Kai to get him to teach Gohan instead. And then Goku's like dumping mouth wash down his throat afterwards...LOL! THAT would have REALLY been funny. I mean, the other way was funny too...But I just never really thought Goku would get someone to help him quite like that...Yamcha? Maybe. Krillin? For sure! And even possibly Vegeta, since he was Mr "I own everything!" XD! I'll bet he'd sell off the women too! XD!
And that's true I guess...I just always thought another way, would have been like say for...Goku to save the kids, but maybe he couldn't save Gohan, because maybe Videl was lost somewhere on Earth and Gohan went looking for her...At least Gohan could've died trying to save Videl or something...And Goten and Trunks lives wouldn't have been wasted. Now if Goten and Trunks were to die in the future they wouldn't be able to come back! T-T I don't know...Maybe I'm to picky...I mean I guess the point was Goku didn't have time to save everyone, but still...It just seemed to me, (For the STORY anyway..) that Gohan, Goten, and Trunks died to soon and to quick.
And as far as Uub goes...I'm with you, I don't see why they gave him another kid to train either...However, Uub might have been cool if he told Goku his village kept being harassed by bandits or something, and he came there to seek Goku's help so he could protect his village...And Goku could be all : Sure! I'll help you for free! Sadly though he charges Uub for the help and says he can take it our of Mr Satan's money...What the heck? Why couldn't Uub just have payed him in food or something? But, that's how the story goes, and you're right, he probably did visit.
And as far as Gohan being a scholar goes...Yeah, I wasn't sure about that either...I didn't expect Gohan to do nothing but paper work anyway...Though I suppose he could have been like a guardian...To where he would only fight if he had to, that kind of thing. Although sometimes being a scholar seems to fit him, since I'm not sure Gohan really enjoyed fighting as much as Goku...So, having a more quiet life seems to fit his nature. (To me anyway.) But GOTEN on the other hand...He seems to act a lot more like Goku in terms of enjoying battle like Goku. Though sometimes I feel like Goten just sees it as a fun sport more so then anything to take seriously. Sometimes I wonder if that's because he's half Saiyan. (Like Gohan.) I think Goku probably enjoys battle more because that's what he was designed for. Plus, according to Dragonball Wiki, in Dragonball Online Goten and Trunks open a Sword School...So, wow! They must both like fighting! Only with swords! XD
And yeah..I've heard that about Piccolo and Gohan too. I'm like you on that. Does he think of Piccolo as a father? Yes, and no. Basically Piccolo was a substitute father, but not Gohan's real father. There is a cute little song Gohan sings though! It goes something like : "I love love Piccolo! I love love Piccolo! Piccolo's my friend!" So, apparently that's all he was to Gohan, a FRIEND! Maybe more like an uncle...But Gohan could never replace Goku with Piccolo.
And yeah, I thought that too about the Cell saga...I was so sure Gohan was going to be Goku's one and only son, and would take Goku's place...
Another thing I liked about the Cell saga though, is just...How wise Goku was in the Cell saga...And what a good teacher he was to Gohan during the moments in the time chamber.
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UlisaBarbic In reply to Emily-Young [2013-08-01 03:04:54 +0000 UTC]
Oh the Buu Saga definitely is full of holes. The ending of the Buu saga is not one of my favorites, for many of the reasons you stated. I really would have loved the Buu Saga to end with Gohan defeating Buu, and not just because he is my favorite character but because that would have really said he had stepped up to take his father's place as protector. They really seemed like they were heading that direction, what with Gohan taking on his father's colors and all of that. *sigh* Such missed opportunity in my opinion.
My opinion on Gohan is that he likes the fighting for different reasons than his father. Goku loves to fight for the challenge of meeting someone stronger. Gohan, I think, likes to fight for justice and to protect. As horrible as I think "Saiyaman" is I think that is why Gohan took it up. He likes to protect people. My impression from the series is that Gohan likes to learn new things but he also loves to explore new things and I think a classroom/lab would be ill-suited to him. I really don't think he'd be happy with it. Actually, my fanfiction stories usually has Gohan become a martial arts school teacher. I think that combines his two loves pretty well: learning new things, teaching others new things but also keeping up the training. 'Cause when Gohan was a kid, it didn't look like he hated it...it looked like he loved it.
Cell Saga shall always be my faovirte sga. And you're right. Goku wa sso wise in that saga, both as a parent and as a teacher. It's a shame they didn't keep that personality up through the Buu saga...
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Emily-Young In reply to UlisaBarbic [2013-08-01 10:37:22 +0000 UTC]
Yes! Finally someone who understands my feelings about the Buu saga!
And, hm...I don't really know how to describe it...I mean, I'm not saying Gohan hated to fight but...I don't know, he just seemed to fight. (Like you said) when he had to, or felt someone else was in danger, not really because he wanted to, but because he felt it was right to protect people...But I will say this...I do think they should have at LEAST mentioned in the series that Gohan was still training whether he was a researcher or not...I mean, they seemed to fade Gohan so far into the background that you kind of just got the idea that GOKU trained Pan possibly, and NOT Gohan. I mean, shoot! Can't Gohan be a researcher and still fight? But anyway, you're idea is good too, I could see Gohan
becoming a Martial Arts teachers. And yeah, I also agree about Gohan...I mean, why couldn't he be as strong as his Dad when he grew up? = (
Yeah, it is...I'm going to always keep Cell saga Goku's personality in my stories...Instead of the personality he had in the Buu saga.
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UlisaBarbic In reply to Emily-Young [2013-08-01 10:51:25 +0000 UTC]
Well, I think Gohan liked the TRAINING as a kid; the marital arts exercises and what not. Given his life as a kid, I think it gave him a sense of empowerment and what kid doesn't love that? (Plus, the flying...totally envious of that) The actual battles, not so much but the defending others he certainly seemed to take to. I sort of viewed Gohan as kind of like someone who goes into law enforcement or military: they may not like that they have to use violence, etc but their desire to protect others gives them the strength to do it. Though, I think Gohan really liked teaching the skills; once he got over the nervousness with Videl, it looked like he enjoyed teaching her and Goten. That's where the martial arts teacher idea came from.
Well, by the end of the series and in GT, pretty much everyone who wasn't Goku was kind of pushed to the background. I don't like the direction they took with Goten, making him a girl-crazy lazy teenager. I just don't think growing up with Goku, Gohan and ChiChi that he would turn out that way. But, eh, that's just my opinion. I really think the end of Z dropped the ball, personality wise on a lot of characters which stinks because they had tons of potential. As for GT, I liked some of their ideas but not the way they executed them (Shadow Dragons, IMHO, was freaking awesome idea)
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Emily-Young In reply to UlisaBarbic [2013-08-01 11:22:38 +0000 UTC]
Oh yeah! lol! I forgot how Gohan taught Videl and Goten how to fly! XD Hm...Ya know? When you think about it...He could become a Martial Arts teacher huh? O.O I don't know, maybe I don't mind Gohan being a Scholar, because then I feel Goten will grow up and be something different. Ya know, have them both have different jobs! Again, though, I'm not denying Gohan could be a Martial Arts teacher...I'm just used to seeing him in his nerdy glasses I guess! XD! Actually...If Gohan would be a Martial Arts teacher in your world, then what would Goten be? O.O Just curious.
And oh man...I agree...I mean...They completely changed Goten and had him do nothing! They didn't even let him go into outer space with Trunks, Pan, or Goku! I mean, Trunks was his best friend, Goku was his father...Would it have killed them to let Goten go too? The only good that came out of GT for Goten, was the fact they gave him a steady girlfriend...I really liked her a lot and her childlike nature fit Goten perfectly! I just wish they had given him more to do then just...Save her every now then. Also, they made Gohan SUPER weak in that show! -_-" It's like Goku was the only strong one...
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UlisaBarbic In reply to Emily-Young [2013-08-01 23:05:43 +0000 UTC]
You know, you raise a good question. LOL. In most of my stories, Goten is still at the "figuring out" stage so he really isn't sure what he wants to be. Honestly, I'm not real sure either. I definitely think he would have kept the training up and I kind of like the idea of him and Trunks doing something together. Those two have an interesting friendship and I like how it played out. I wish they had sent Goten along with Trunks and Goku in GT but the fact that they still have Trunks save Goten later I thought was cool. I thought maybe Trunks and Goten could possibly do something with weapons training, as opposed to straight ki-training. Given Trunks always seems to have a sword, I thought that might fit. One of my old pre 2000 books on DBZ mentioned that Trunks' sword could channel ki through it so I thought the two of them working together to create things like that might be neat. I really like the idea of the second generation teaching earth how to defend itself...cause Lord knows it needs it.
I did like the idea that Goten had a girlfriend, just wish we had learned more about her, how he met her, that kind of thing. But, then again, since GT changes so much of the characters, I think I would have liked to know about the girl who stole "old" Goten's heart, not new Goten. No doubt ChiChi is pestering poor Goten to give her some grandkids too, LOL. I always figured Gohan and Videl would have more than one child and seeing Goten eventually have kids would be cool too. Cause you know the cousins would be interesting to see interact
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Emily-Young In reply to UlisaBarbic [2013-08-02 01:00:52 +0000 UTC]
I mean, having a cook for a son! XD
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Emily-Young In reply to UlisaBarbic [2013-08-02 01:00:32 +0000 UTC]
Actually in my fan story I picture him to be a cook! (I don't know, that hair he had at the end of DBZ I could just picture a cook's hat sitting on top of it.
The reason I did this, is because in my story he never really feels he'll be quite as good as his father, or quite as smart as Gohan...So, he chooses something simple like cooking! Yet at the same time he still enjoys martial arts for fun.
Besides, how could Goku not like having a son for a cook? XD
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