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UndyingNephalim — Lylat System Theory -revised-
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A debate I commonly see on forums and wiki sites regard the Starfox universe is the layout of Lylat's star system. I have compiled this theory based on facts I have observed. Call me a little fanatic, but I did TONS of research regarding this subject (because I myself have been very curious about the specific layout since Nintendo fucks it up and makes it slightly different in every Starfox game)********* EDIT ************
Hokay... so after I submitted this I went and played SF Assault and unlocked several levels.... when I noticed that if you look in the sky you can see neighboring planets... After exploring every nook of the skybox's I found undeniable proof that several planets have been relocated. First off: in the Fichina, Sargasso, Sauria, and Titania mission, you can see a dark red volcanic planet. There has never been a lava world in the SF series... though Solar really comes close to meeting those requirements. This would mean Titania is near Solar and not the Star. Also to note, in the opening level when you are flying towards Fortuna, directly behind it is Katina, and far off to the right behind your starting position is a moonlike world that looks very similar to Macbeth. Since there is no star in your line of site that means it's behind, that means Katina is after Fortuna and Macbeth is before. Since Corneria is the 4th... this is solid proof Katina is 3rd, Fortuna is 2nd, and Macbeth is the closest. Here's a video of that level: [link] . Note Katina behind Fortuna, and at 49 seconds you can see Macbeth. Also in the gate level above Corneria, you can see Fichina relativly close. That's solid proof Fichina is the 5th planet from Lylat.
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Anywho: Here's the most common debates about the Lylat System
Known Facts in the games, several things are made solid. First off, Corneria is the fourth planet from Lylat's star. Venom is said to be furthest away from the star. As I stated above, based on visual facts in SF Assault there is solid proof Macbeth is the 1st planet, Fortuna is 2nd, Katina is 3rd, and Fichina is 5th.
Solar, Star or Planet? This is by far the number one debate. In starfox 64 Solar is described as a Red Dwarf Star that the other planets orbit around, yet in Star Fox Command it is said Solar is a planet still in its young age and hasnt begun to cool off yet. Based on the numerous translation errors in SF:64, facts in Command, and simple common sense, it's quite evident Solar is not Lylat's star and is in fact a planet. First off, in all the levels of Starfox (in all the games) the star in the sky is not a red dwarf. If Lylat's star was a red dwarf, life would not be able to exist.... and if it somehow did then there will be barely any light in the system at all. Red Dwarves do not give off sufficient light to sustain life on orbiting planets. And of course as I mentioned before, in every Starfox game, if you look up in the sky, the star is NOT a red dwarf, it is blueish. Solar is a proto-planet, case closed.
Fichina and Fortuna, which is freaking which? Fichina is the Ice planet, Fortuna is the earth-like one. In SF:64 Fichina was originally Fortuna, but the level designers changed it to the ice world of Fichina near the end of development. Some bozo forgot to change the name of the planet to Fichina (though I think it's because they were too lazy to record the voiceovers). Nintendo has even admitted to this booboo. Once again, Fichina is the ICE WORLD, Fortuna is the EARTH-LIKE one.
Papetoon, where the heck is it? Fox's homeworld is pretty freakin important in my mind. Yet in all the games it never shows it's location, only hinting that it's at the edge of the Lylat System. If that's the case my theory is that it has an orbit that diverts differently on the Z axis (it's orbit is more vertical then horizontal), however, Papetoon can literally fit in anywhere without ruining anything canon.
Sauria's location... I thought it was at the end?!?! It says in the player's manual Sauria orbits the Lylat Star on the opposite side of Corneria. Thus it is a vulcan-planet to Corneria... that is, it shares the same orbit but is constantly on the other side of the star. Also to note is that Sauria is an artificial planet, created by the Krazoa with the use of manipulating dark matter into four Spell-stones. Yeah, if you actually read Peppy's info in the pause menu (who does?) he tells Fox this.
Sector X,Y, and Z The super mysterious gas clouds have always fascinated me. Really freakin weird things happen in them. My theory is that they are gasses supporting the development of Solar, which would explain why they are in a perfect triangle formation around Solar. This also leads me to believe Solar is an artifical creation and not a naturally forming planet. Why? Cause it's no coincedence three gas nebulas form in perfect triangle formation around a planet in the perfect shape of alphabetical letters. Unless it's in my ABC cereal.
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I don't get why Solar has the name it does unless it is a star. Nintendo isn't made of astronomers, so saying Solar is a planet due to being made of lava doesn't have much credibility. They just don't know what a star is made of. Like I said, I think Lylat is a binary system, with Lylat as the main star and Solar as a companion.
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I've since revised this yet again: starfoxeh.weebly.com/lylat-sys…
It's probably a binary star system, though in defense of the "Solar is a planet" stance other planets were named completely wrong in SF64, notably Fichina being accidentally called Fortuna. That could explain the really odd name choice for a molten planet. Also it's pretty commonly accepted scientific knowledge that we know what stars are made of and what their surfaces are like, they are far different from the flowing lava with tidal patterns of an ocean that's depicted in SF64, hence my original opinion that Solar behaved much more like a planet than a star. Then again maybe we are all over thinking a game about talking woodland creatures flying around in space ships.
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Dat last sentence, though XD
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Well it's true, fans of video games and movies (myself included) seem to put an awful lot of thought into things the developers probably did not. Something tells me Nintendo did not consider anything about astrophysics when they made the Lylat System. It was probably something along the lines of "the blue planet looks nice next to the brown planet, and have the giant evil green planet be bigger than the sun because it's where Andross is and is evil."
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interesting take on the binary system so well known in Lylat.
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This system map is awesome and I can easily tell you put a lot of work into it. Thank you.
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Never would see this many planets before in the Lylat system.But still never been to them all,nice job on this.
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I always thought Lylat was a binary system with Solar as a red dwarf, but say, very far out, and Lylat, as the G2V (Sol- clone) star in the middle.
Possibly though, Lylat could be an orange dwarf? (If Sol were replaced with one, Earth would be on the outer edge of the habitable zone, and Venus in the middle, Murcury still too hot 
Because blue stars explode before any life has a chance to evolve, or even for planets to usually form.
And, like you said, a red dwarf alone is far to cold to provide enough light.
I remember reading somewhere, that said the Lylat system's sun has about 40 billion years of life left in it, which must make it an orange dwarf (If it's Lylat) , or a red dwarf (If it's Solar) if that site was correct.
And the reason Papetoon is never mentioned is because it's only canon in the comics and Star Fox Command (Which, by the way, I tend to think of as a fracture of the original timeline after Assault took place, not as the true line of events.)
And, if Star Fox 2 were to be included, you've got the Meteor and Eladard to worry about.
Personally, tohugh, I prefer the Star Fox 64 map because that's not only my favourite game, but it's also the one that set the new canon into place.
You did work very hard on this map though, and even if I don't agree with some of the orbits and some of your conclusions, I have to applaud the work you put into it.
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Well, to put it simply, Meteor would most likely be within the Meteo belt (it also appears in SF1).
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Then why is Macbeth so far away from Venom? Would Venom be closer? I always thought Venom was more like Venus with its atmosphere.
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And in a two minute time frame everything I knew that was WRONG with the lylat system now makes absolute perfect sense. You are a genius and I appluade your effort in tracking down enough info to put this all together in such a short amount of time. Thank you so much for clearing all this up for us hardcore fans.
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My only problem is that in Starfox 64, Macbeth is closer to Venom. So maybe Papetoon is the first planet in the system?
I do have a question, where do you think Cerinia was located in the system? I believe it was part of the system before its destruction.
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One problem I see is that Titania is suppose to be between Fortuna and Solar. IIRC, if angled right, Solar can be seen above (and noticeably behind) Titania while approaching Fortuna. The way you have it here, Titania is behind Solar (from Fortuna's perspective).
Also, I don't understand what you decided that the "volcanic planet" is suppose to be. It can't be Solar (since Solar appears next to it as a different entity in the Sargasso region) or Titania (since it can viewed from the Titania stage), and seeing as how it can be seen from both Fichina and the Sargasso region (which I believe is in Meteo, but I'm unaware of your thoughts), I used to think that it may be Katina or Macbeth (as Katina fits in its place on the map, and Macbeth was originally colored red in the first StarFox game).
These conflict with your theory, however, as I see you believe that the ringed planet next to Fortuna is Katina, and that the brown-ish planet that can be seen from the side is Macbeth. I believe these are Titania and Katina, respectively (though I don't have a set opinion on the "volcanic planet," so I believe that either Macbeth or Katina could fill its position, which the other brown-colored planet would be the remaining).
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Just so I get this out of the way early: the red planet in the backgrounds hasn't any proof of being "volcanic" (as in, filled with volcanoes)- it's simply red.
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Sector's X, Y and Z are all Nebulae. A nebula is a large cloud of gas that floats in space in which planets are formed. Since everything in space spins due to the universe itself spinning, the particles in a nebula will eventually collide and clump together, thus creating the beginning of a planet. Solar is a "new planet" as the remnants of the rest of it's original nebula still remain around it in the form of Sector's X, Y and Z.
Therefore, Solar is a planet. You just got Astrophysics-ed!! Awwwww Yeaaaahh!
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Then why is it named Solar? The name implies that it is a star.
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Crap.
Now I gotta go and make a whole ton-load of revisions.
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Whoa...
Everythin seems clear now. Thanks very much for that info. And very cool map
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Wow. This is so beautiful, my nerdy tendensies can't handle it. I love you. I completely agree with your theory on the whole, interworkings of the entire Lylat system. I also get into debates with my friends frequently on the Solar thing. Yes, it is in fact a planet. I doubt that if it was still a star, Fox' ship would be able to make it. Though, slippy /did/ say their ships can take temperatures up to 9,000 degrees. But what say this planet is a star?
No. Stars are made up of gas, and plasma. The plasma acts like a liquid, but it isn't lava. Solar is solely made up of lava. There are some cooled rocks, too, when you reach the boss we see this.
But if Macbeth is the closest to Lylat's star, why isn't it hotter? What stage is the Lylat star in?
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I suppose the fact that they call Solar a planet in Star Fox Command sort of seals the deal. In truth though I don't think Nintendo really thought about it when they were making SF64, they just sort of threw together what they thought was cool. Starfox and Zelda in particular are victims of exposing their players to these concepts and then never bothering to explain them.
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Well, seeing as even movie companies make them mistake, franchises and those in charge of, assume that the target audience is too stupid or ignorant, or lazy to fully understand how solar systems work. Or any topic, for that matter. Like in Cowbays&Aliens, Olivia Wilde was not a believable Native American.
I thank you personally on your effort for creating such a beautiful interpretation of the Lylat universe, and entire fandom. I am not strong in math, but in my ways, I would love to be an astronomer.
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Wow, this makes so much sense!
I was wondering on STARFOX 64, why the LYLAT SYSTEM not only had a debatable star, but a weird angular orbit of planets. Now I know a lot, thanks for that.
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The prevailing theory regarding Solar is that it either a Hot Jupiter (a close-orbiting gas giant with temperatures approaching a sun) or a Red Dwarf star in binary orbit with the much larger and hotter Lylat star. Although the game was never eleased, this binary relationship can be seen in Starfox 2. Also, since binary stars are ofen several AU appart, it makes sense that Solar could be situated among the other planets. To top it off, the surface temperature is said to be in excess of 6000 degrees. It doesn't matter if your talking about fahrenheit, celcius or kelvin, it is not likely to be a planet with such temperatures.
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Not really regarding the same topic, but it would also be impossible for the Sectors X, Y, and Z to exist inside a solar system. Nebulae are typically many times larger than star systems, and even if they were small dust clouds, they would manifest as a ring shape around the sun.
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Furthermore, it seems unlikely that Fichina, an ice planet, would be closer to the sun than both Aquas and Zoness, which both have liquid water covering most of their surface.
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Popetoon is from the SNES era comics, so it's non-canon.
Corneria is Fox's homeworld.
Oh, and Starfox 2 is non-canon too, it isn't even true to Starfox 1, as it never was released.
Anything prior to SF64/Lylat wars is non canon because after SF1, the series was rebooted to make up for the gap left by SF2's cancellation.
Starfox still has far fewer plotholes thanSonic, because Nintendo learns from screwing up.
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It may have made a cameo in SF64 (the green planet in the prolouge where it says Peppy returned home) and in Command.
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Ahh, the green planet was Venom.
Obviously...
StarFox 2 SHOULD have been releasecd! I've played it, and loved it!
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so this is your drawing fo wat u and other debaters with information on the galaxy?
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There was a Planet that was in Star Fox 2 when it was canned, it was Eladard,
Here's a map of the Lylat System from the planned sequel, Eladard is the purple planet with a ring:
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I hope ou can get an idea for Eladard's orbit if it were to be made canon
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Yeah if I ever come back to making the map again I'll see if I can find a place for it.
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A very interesting theory which sort of makes sense. I always figured though that Lylat was a binary star system, like Tatooine like Star Wars, but if they said it's a planet in Command I guess I could be wrong. It could also be a "hot jupiter" gas giant as well too, but that would put it ridiculously close to the Lylat star though.
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The theory about Solar is... cute. But let's not forget that Solar has a purported temperature of at least 9000 degrees (as noted by Slippy's statement and the observation of the Arwings' rapid shield degradation when close to the surface.)
A ship that can supposedly take 9000 degree temperatures is shown to take a lot of damage when close to Solar, so it can be safe to assume that it's at least in the ballpark.
That puts Solar way too high in the temperature range to be a proto-planet.
At least I think so. :V
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Mayhaps...
Curse Fox and Wolf calling Solar a planet in Command. >_<
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I know this picture is old but I have to say that out of all the things that I've read online about the organization of the planets, this is the first one to make any sense to me. Then again, it probably helped that I'm actually visualizing it instead of reading words on a webpage and trying to figure it out in my head.
I have one little qualm, however. And this is based off the fact that the only Star Fox game that I've ever played was StarFox64, along with viewing the video that someone posted on the first page about Fortuna, and someone mentioning that Macbeth was supposed to be next to Venom.
I feel like Macbeth and Titania should switch places on the map.
In the video, there was a planet with a ring around it. To my knowledge, the only planet with a ring around it is Titania. Does Katina have a ring around it in later games or something? Or does Macbeth look different in later games? I couldn't which planet was which in that game.
I know that Titania doesn't necessarily even need to be hot, but it just makes more sense for Macbeth to be closer to Venom... after all, the only reason why StarFox went to Titania was to save Slippy, whereas for Macbeth, they were on a legit mission.
Just my thoughts... they may be totally screwed up, or they might make sense. I dunno, your call.
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It's entirely possible that your rearrangement is right. I've pretty much given up on Starfox... the continuity is so messy.
On a side note Katina does get rings in SF: Assault.
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Someone could make a plot revolving around whatever purpose solar and Sectors X,Y, and Z could serve... Maybe the key for someone to rule (or completely destroy) Lylat? That would be cool.
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