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Skylight22 [2019-02-27 18:35:24 +0000 UTC]
"Prime, Chiropractron couldn't save her."
"Oh, Arcee..."
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doctaplanet [2018-11-13 05:26:01 +0000 UTC]
Doin the trash trio, eh?
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otakonsparadise [2018-08-22 20:45:31 +0000 UTC]
As I recall, they were initially meant to be a combiner and had all sorts of other stories that were cut.
But personally? I like the designs. Something new and different, and it showed more potential about what a robotic organism could appear to be. I mean, why do they have to be bipedal at all. Some forms are more advantages in other situations.
I will admit they were a pain to transform, but to me, they looked neat and will stand the test of time as an interesting and creative take on a concept.
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Unicron9 In reply to otakonsparadise [2018-08-22 21:59:28 +0000 UTC]
Well in the movie, and thinking of Transformers not as the Transformers I have always known and loved but more as weird robotic alien Michael Bay creatures, they were pretty neat. As toys I think they are pretty awful.
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otakonsparadise In reply to Unicron9 [2018-08-26 02:04:07 +0000 UTC]
Eh. I still like them. They aren't the best I will admit, (Prime does it much better story-wise), but at least they weren't another tired rehash of a story from the 80's.
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Unicron9 In reply to otakonsparadise [2018-08-26 06:17:17 +0000 UTC]
A lot of people haven't seen those stories and characters from the 80s. If done right, modernized with respect to the source materiel, that could be really cool and make both old fans and new ones happy.
The fact that the main draw to the new Bumblebee movie is that it is set in the 80s and has more of a true-to-G1 style going proves there is a demand for just that, not that any idiot couldn't clearly see that by the billions of comments hating how Bay did things over the last 12 years. His movies brought in tons of new fans, but also split the fan base. It didn't have to do that. At least not nearly to the extreme that it did.
Not to mention the level of total nonsense plots in Bay's Transformers movies wasn't that much better than many of the ones in those tired old 80s stories.
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otakonsparadise In reply to Unicron9 [2018-08-27 23:03:33 +0000 UTC]
Very true. All of it. But there is a large subset who hate all new designs simply because they aren't G1. Period.
Those are who I reference.
Also, how much of it is Bay's fault? He knew nothing of the franchise when he was approached? And when it was shown that the public was not thrilled with his style, well, it's not light they couldn't have reigned him in. He is not totally to blame or in control of this at all.
And Honestly? His designs are among some of the most creative. Most unique and quite possibly more plausible to a realistic transformer at the level of advancement they would be.
But the biggest reason I enjoyed it? No gimmicks. No incessant power-ups, stupid keys, weapons that they have no idea are in their body or other silly, over the top, and bland gimmicks that took away from the toys quality.
But also, anytime you change something, you split the fan base. Anytime. It just seems this fandom whines the loudest about it.
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Unicron9 In reply to otakonsparadise [2018-08-27 23:24:21 +0000 UTC]
Oh yeah that's totally true, but purists exist and piss on everything. Marvel got most of their characters very recognizable with just the updates needed for a transition to the big screen and most folks love it, but the comic purists will still bitch. I could care less what they think.
I think Hasbro made a big mistake choosing Bay for making the movies. When he said he didn't like Transformers and would only do it if he could do it his own way, they should have looked for a new director. I do like a lot of the Bay movie designs, but Bay didn't design them. He just stuck his input in on the designs, like telling the designers to generally make the Arcee bikes what they ended up being because he thought the whole idea of female transformers was stupid. Also said he'd never put the dinobots in because he hated them, but when he accepted what the next step in bringing in the money was, we sure got Dinobots.
I enjoyed a few of his TF movies for what they were, but will always believe they could have been really good or even great movies without crapping on the characters they were based off so much.
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otakonsparadise In reply to Unicron9 [2018-08-28 19:39:47 +0000 UTC]
But see, that is the unique thing about Transformers. He didn't crap on them at all. Hell, NO one can as the worst series has already been made. It was a Japanese series named Kiss Players, where Giant ALIEN Robots were given powerups by getting a kiss from a prepubescent girl.
Which lead to a scene of Galvatron, you know the rampaging psychotic that he is, chasing after a little girl, with robot tentacles following him, demanding she kiss him.
But, there are so many continuities in this franchise, who cares? I hate the concept of Kiss players, the ever-growing combining mecha and human power-ups to the Transformers from the Japanese side of things. I LOATH Animated.
But there is plenty of other series for me to watch and like. I don't really hate or like the Bayformers, but I appreciate them for what they are and what they have done for the franchise. And that is why I don't understand the hate for Bayformers.
It gave new life to the franchise and there is so much more to like, why focus on this one element so much? It is silly honestly. But then I am someone who can appreciate what Beast Machines tried (and failed horribly, I will never deny that) to do, and defend it for trying.
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Unicron9 In reply to otakonsparadise [2018-08-28 20:37:02 +0000 UTC]
Matter of opinion. Wouldn't have killed him to let Ironhide be red and have at least a bit of a cowboy accent. Sideswipe couldn't at least be red? Crazy accents were a big thing in his movies anyway. That Devastator was just a damned abomination. Stupid as shit, and in the first movie Devastator was a tank, while Blackout came back in the second movie called Grindor for whatever reason. French black and orange Hot Rod with big bumblebee eyes... Thankfully he didn't end up calling Dino Mirage or Que Wheeljack...
Not to say he didn't do fine or really well with some of them. I was fine with Prime and semi-okay with Megatron. Shockwave was good but could have used a line or two. Ravage and Laserbeak- close enough. I'm fine with heavily updating characters, but why even use the name if its not remotely the character? That's what I mean by crapping on them.
But yeah, that kissplay thing sounds awful.
I actually liked Animated and my kids really liked it too.
I don't hate the Bay movies (Though ROTF and Last Knight were awful) but that whole thing with bringing transformers to a much wider audience could have been done without such a lack of giving a crap about the source materiel.
I'm not focusing on any one element like a silly ass. Like hundreds of thousands of other fans, I don't like some of what Bay went with in his depiction of Transformers. It wasn't nearly what I had been dying to see in live action for over 20 years, but at least it felt like a taste of that.
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otakonsparadise In reply to Unicron9 [2018-08-29 23:28:01 +0000 UTC]
Part of that is the sponsorship and not Bay or his crew. For the characters that is. And I liked the new Hot Rod look (if only I find the original look to be horribly dated and even as a kid found it kinda meh).
But honestly, what would have ruined the designs for me would have been letting Japanese sensibilities change things. Because they have an interesting take on robots NOT piloted by humans. They find them childish, kiddy and not worth taking seriously. Which is why they took Airachnid from Prime, and instead of her being a Genodical Maniac, out to slaughter all of humanity so she could turn the last one into a trophy... They instead had her chase cute boys, with a fixation on Jack.
And that is why there are so many Japanese series that have humans powering up robots for no reason.
That is about the only way to really make the movies far worse.
Outside of that? The biggest sin of the movies is a lack of rewatchability. They are good to see once, maybe twice and then meh. I don't regret watching any of them. But I don't own them either. The way I describe them is they are basically what an 80's action movie wanted to be, but with the access to modern CG and Budgets.
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Wakeangel2001 [2018-08-20 14:57:04 +0000 UTC]
I hated the fact that until a few months ago that was 50% of the toys that Elita-1 and Chromia had ever gotten. I want to know who specifically designed these 3 and ask him if he has ever SEEN a transformer before, I mean, when ROTF was made the franchise was already more than 20 years old, there was NO excuse to mess up character designs THIS bad.
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Sovereign64 [2018-08-20 13:11:28 +0000 UTC]
Yup, these are the worst movie transformers figures ever made right next to ROTF Demolishor. Although Demolishor does look very screen accurate in robot mode, it cannot stand on its own AT ALL and in vehicle mode, it can't roll. As for the Arcee triplets, weird gaps between upper and lower bodies for Chromia and Elita-1 and frustrating transformation without accidentally popping the joints off for Arcee. And they need a stand to balance all because of the stupid balancing-on-wheels design the movie decided to go with. Looks pretty in a movie, but never meant to exist in real life.
With that say though, excellent job on the paint, especially the details on Arcee and the purple paint job on Elita-1.
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AndyPurro [2018-08-20 10:09:24 +0000 UTC]
These are just the worst transformers designs for female autobots, but good job tho
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