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igarcia [2012-01-09 19:21:17 +0000 UTC]
The church will rise!
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IstTyrr In reply to Vilk42 [2011-03-23 15:03:03 +0000 UTC]
Yes, I remember our discussion about urban exploration. There are many abandoned places in my city as well, but it's just difficult to visit them since they're mostly closed down and barred. Still, I do my share of exploring whenever I can.
My mother was pregnant with me when the accident at Chernobyl happened. Greece is geographically close, so the irradiated clouds reached us pretty fast. People couldn't eat vegetables, drink milk or anything of the like for a while.
I heard about the ruin of Pripyat and how it has been preserved. It's tempting to visit these places but being part of the "radiation generation" somehow makes my stomach churn just thinking about it.
I agree, the romantic eye does not fixate in the loss about a ruin, but rather what can be gained from it, spiritually and intellectually. You see the destruction but think: I could build something new from this.
I think "guardians" are an illusion. "Protection" is a noble excuse for subjugation and power-holding, under the pretense of safety and stability. Why do they underestimate you like that? Why don't they teach you to protect yourself, so you don't need them? Just my honest opinion.
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Vilk42 In reply to IstTyrr [2011-03-27 20:56:38 +0000 UTC]
You resumed the horror of radioactive pollution from the most pertinent point of view: the one of a mother of a child to come. Present day is here to remember this, alas. I was a young boy when the Chernobyl accident happened, but i remember the the oficial lies (cold war wasn't over... but is it over now) and the diffuse fear and resignation.
Concerning ruins, i'm curious to hear more from about tha way you apprehend them. after all, you'll have to spend your time among ruins and traces of a distant past. Does the professional approach modify your perception? I'm talking about the instinctive one: the eyes of the soul. Do you (and do you need to) 'feel' the site, or not? Could that interfere with a scientific method?
About the guardian concept, I'd make a distinction between this concept and the 'protector' one. Guardians may be protectors (of the widow and orphan: chivalry stuff) but there is a major condition: ethics. Morality has been hijacked a long time ago by religous, and the repect of the law brings no guarantee of ethics.
On the over hand, protectors may not be guardians. A mother and father will protect their child. Firemen a re protectors but not guardians.
I partially agree with you when you say that we could protect ourselves: some people just can't do that because they are to weak, old, young or ... well, stupid
I think we all need the protection of a third party person sometime.
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IstTyrr In reply to Vilk42 [2011-03-28 09:08:44 +0000 UTC]
Twenty years later and it's like Chernobyl never happened. They're only just starting to recognize the problems cropping up in adults (hormonal imbalances mostly but also degenerating diseases).
The funny thing is that amidst the chaos in Japan, some nuclear plants have apparently exploded, resulting in high radiation levels that prevented help from approaching. And of course, some of that radiation will spread.
Of course, perception interferes with logical and professional methods and vice versa. You can't avoid that in anything. I think it's a matter of experience to keep both your senses and knowledge working together, without hindering each other, at least to a great extend. Team work is important so that many views and interpretations are examined. And you have to accept that there's no singular truth, only facts.
Sadly, most ruins are so ravaged that there's hardly any energy left to feel, but you still get some hunches. It's no coincidence that a church or monastery lies directly above every major temple/worship site of antiquity here in Greece.
Yes, I agree in part. As you said there are things like religion, general social beliefs and expectations/roles that govern a guardian's and/or protector's behavior. But ultimately, I think every person behaves differently, according to his view of himself and his role. I don't think I would agree with a "norm" on ethics, however noble those may be. Everyone is free to believe what he wants.
The complete lack of ethics, however, as you said is the real problem. As a result, the terms: weak, old, young, stupid aren't at all straightforward and can be abused for imposing power.
Unfortunately, the only solution can be given through social means, in my opinion. Present society has grown stale and needs to redirect its goals, develop new codes and ethics. For example the growing environmental awareness to battle the degrading planetary conditions. The alternative, as we sadly know, is terrorism (governmental or otherwise).
Oh, well, yes, when you love someone you want to protect him, even if you sometimes overdo it (e.g. overprotective parents). That's different. I guess we all have our weak moments. If we have someone we can count on, we're lucky.
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Vilk42 In reply to IstTyrr [2011-03-31 20:52:50 +0000 UTC]
I can see that you have an acute perception and a deep personal reflexion of social norms. So i'll have to be more precise myself. When i'm talking about ethics, i think about some general ethics establishing criteria to act freely in a convenient situation and make choices in respect of oneself and others. The purpose of ethics is thus itself a practical activity. This is not acquiring a knowledge for itself, but to act with a sense of social responsibility: an individual matter.
I agree with you on most of the over points, except terrorism. In my opinion, it is not a true alernative but only a subproduct of the system. Terrorists want to impose their solution on others. They are mutineers who want to change the crew, but not the boat itself.
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IstTyrr In reply to Vilk42 [2011-04-04 16:04:47 +0000 UTC]
Well, ethics are inevitable since we have a society. And I can propose no alternative to society, for maintaining a relative peace and independence. It is , however, in need of drastic improvement.
Under that light, I agree with you on the practical nature of ethics. Of course I can appreciate certain ethics spiritually more than others, but that's a personal matter, as you said, defining my own personality, as is with anyone else.
On the other hand, established ethics, no matter how generic and over-encompassing, will always be confining or conflicting with someone. Any society develops individuals who reject it and those become the core of the next change. That is the process of growth and evolution.
I like that you used the word "social responsibility", which is also an ethic, albeit one I consider very important. I would wish for a society that is governed by social responsibility, both politically and culturally. Perhaps that is the key: respect for yourself and for others. Can those with power be like that, I wonder? Can there be a social mechanism that keeps power in check?
I agree with you on terrorism. It is a result, not a solution. I used the word "alternative" as something that does happen not something I believe should happen. On the other hand, I don't believe oppression and exploitation should happen. Also governments use military and mental terrorism to keep their population in check, not just small extremist groups. But what is the middle ground?
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IstTyrr In reply to Vilk42 [2011-04-12 13:11:47 +0000 UTC]
I agree completely about established ethics being a safety zone to move in society. It's conformity. People will admit to believing something, sometimes fervently so, just to fit in, even if they don't. Others will stand beside a belief regardless, without first questioning their reasons, simply because everyone seems to believe the same. Those that don't conform are ostracized, as you know.
And generally, it is easier (in the negative sense) to simply accept something as it is and not make an effort to question or change it.
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sircoolwalk [2011-02-14 06:26:44 +0000 UTC]
I would so love more of these types of guys.
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bobrbober [2011-02-09 20:55:18 +0000 UTC]
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Vilk42 In reply to bobrbober [2011-02-09 21:23:37 +0000 UTC]
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bobrbober In reply to Vilk42 [2011-02-09 21:26:06 +0000 UTC]
spoko, lubie poΕΔ
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bobrbober In reply to Vilk42 [2011-02-14 22:31:00 +0000 UTC]
Nice interpretation!
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PaperJack93 [2011-02-09 13:31:47 +0000 UTC]
This looks warhammerish
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Silverwolfpacora [2011-02-09 04:12:08 +0000 UTC]
Reminds me of gamma world.
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Silverwolfpacora In reply to Vilk42 [2011-02-18 04:30:39 +0000 UTC]
Ahhhhhhh twilight 2000 that is one of my favorites. The only problem was i couldn't find enough people to play it with.
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GoldenArbiter [2011-02-09 00:43:41 +0000 UTC]
hahaha, this is awesome!
they should definitely make a game based off of what you just did there... even if it would be just like every other post-apocalyptic game out there... but hey, i would pay to play a game as an anti zombie crusader!
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GoldenArbiter In reply to Vilk42 [2011-02-14 21:06:35 +0000 UTC]
what was stalker 1?
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Wolfblade670 [2011-02-08 22:54:50 +0000 UTC]
Awesome and innovative. Well done. Kind of a Warhmmer 40k vibe as well.
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Vilk42 In reply to Wolfblade670 [2011-02-09 21:00:43 +0000 UTC]
Thanks a lot!
40k is cool, and it blends medieval and sci-fi stuff in a very cool way.
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