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Name: EA The Law
Call Name: Vincent
Color: Grizzled/Domino Blue
Geno: awaw BB cece dd EdEd ii kk Ssp tt UU (note Ed is a husky-specific domino gene)
Age: 3 years
Sex: unaltered male
Breed: Siberian Husky
Pedigree: starter
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Reference (you are here): own work, reference: 7 exp
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RNG results : to be calculated
Total: 17 exp
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colour is grey btw <3 or silver and white, up to you haha --> www.huskycolors.com/rescue.htm… handy guide
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Oh hey that is super handy!! Thank you thank you! And the site even has some info on husky genetics, sweet~ This definitely gets me pointed in the right direction!
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That guide is super outdated, I'll hit you up with more recent things in a couple hours C:
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Huskies are kinda complex, but it's theorized most/all of them have grizzle and urajiro markings which contribute to their color!
This boy looks like a wolf gray to me, and that's just the name of the color in husky terms... she doesn't have a white undercoat but instead a cream one, which is what makes the difference between a silver husky and a wolf gray one. I'm assuming whatever photo ref you used for the color the light was hitting the dog in a way that illuminated its nose to a lighter shade, when in reality it's most likely black and not blue. Blue huskies are almost entirely unheard of!
Regardless, Rak has good knowledge on huskies as well. Whatever she sends your way I'd recommend you hold in high regard! Gorgeous boy, btw! (:
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Their markings are both absolutely awesome and super frustrating--especially trying to get genos 'right' especially when we're missing some actual data on them.
The photo reference that I used for the coloring is actually the same as what I traced; but I didn't like the color samples that I ended up taking (or rather, I did--I loved the tans and creams, but it didn't look like a possible color for a real dog), so I just greyscaled everything. Whether or not it was a good decision I kept the 'white' slightly grey as I just liked a slightly dirty look over a pristine white dog. That I should probably update. I debated a LOT over whether to go with blue (which I'd heard was possible but very rare) or not. Ultimately it looked more like a blue base to me than a black base since there weren't any solid black hairs/visible markings. But if it's possible for a husky to have a black base and no black hairs I'd be delighted to update the geno and the nose. That really would be the ideal outcome--I spent an entire weekend going back and forth on this. I was so hoping someone else would have a husky available from a litter with a geno so I could avoid this but I ran out of time and created this guy to enter WolfHavenWoods rng competition.
Thank you so much!!
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From experience the design definitely looks like a black-based "wolf gray" to me! It's true that blues are possible (though I've never seen one); supposedly there are some dilutes floating around in working lines somewhere, but they'd without a doubt be much more scarce than tan points for example.
Here is a good example of a more pronounced wolf gray, and here would be a silver. It's theorized that the difference comes from the C locus, which controls red expression (red, gold, cream, etc).
It's definitely possible for black-based huskies to appear lighter because of their double-coatedness, and because of an unknown gene which causes "dilute." I don't mean real dilute, it's just a term used within the breed to describe a dog that's had its color somewhat faded. "Black dilute" is an actual color, and those dogs look like this . Lighter versions of the typical wolf gray (the one I've linked) would look like this , this , and this . As you can see, they all look very similar to your boy. The grey hairs in actuality are very thin black hairs mixed with a lighter undercoat and/or an unknown gene previously mentioned. Some have theorized that it could be the "intensity" locus which controls this, but it's not known for sure!
P.S. I just remembered that I have a lighter wolf gray girl, Kunik. She looks pretty similar to your boy with no pronounced black markings!
www.deviantart.com/mush-kennel…
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Woah, so you're saying that the 'black dilute' that you linked there is actually separate from the blue dilute gene seen in other breeds?
Is there enough info on huskies to even do decent punnet squares aside from standard stuff like dominant black and recessive red, and then tan points which we see in a lot of breeds? And I keep seeing different info on the C locus; a bunch of people seem to still use it but doggenetics.co.uk (probably where a lot of people start with genetics since it's the first Google result) says that there are no variations on the C locus are known to exist in dogs, but there might be an exception for white dobermans.
I'm loving all of the examples though--husky patterns are so awesome and I can't wait to breed a litter.
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From what I've learned about the C locus- and remember all of this is still theoretical- is that it controls the shade of red in a way that's different when compared to that of the intensity (I) locus. The C locus supposedly controls the undercoat color in huskies, which include red (C/-), gold or tan (cch/-), cream (ce/-), and white/platinum (cp/-). That's from most to least dominant. They're also supposedly "co-dominant," I forgot the other word for this... but basically, Ccch would be a dark gold/tan, cecp would be a light cream, Cce would be a gold or tan, etc. This is what I've learned years ago, back in 2012... and it definitely could have changed since! But what we do know for sure is that huskies must have at least some influence from a gene controlling undercoat color and a gene controlling intensity of color.
Basically, the "dilution" that we see often in huskies is that supposed intensity locus I keep referring to. I believe doggenetics.co.uk has a page on this, along with the C locus since they're said to work together. It's very likely that huskies have some sort of grizzle/agouti thing going on along with urajiro and the intensity gene in the case of dogs like your male in question! Imagine a printer that sort of runs out of ink... that's kinda what the intensity gene is said to do to a dog's color. (:
Litters are super fun for sure! It's especially fun with huskies lol
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Ahhh, yep, I learned dog genetics in 2011 and 2012 from doggenitics.co.uk too. I'm almost certain that explanation was still there in 2015 or early 2016 when I was doing a programming project based on it, too. Since then, the C section that you're describing has been entirely removed and updated to say that C variations do not exist in dogs (updated link ). I kept them on the geno here because it's so prevalent in darpg and honestly hard to describe color without it--especially since with only I and i available you only have three possible variations.
As far as I can tell any mention of the I gene only deals with phaeomelanin so it wouldn't affect dilution of black hair or nose (though it certainly could cause sable or grizzle to look a lot lighter when you remove all of the red). Gosh, there's definitely a lot of alleles at play that we haven't pinned down yet!
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That's hella confusing to me if the C locus doesn't work the way that it was said to! Especially when it comes to huskies since they so obviously have something separate controlling the color of their undercoats. It's puzzling!
There is a lot to figure out for sure! It seems like the more scientific discoveries are made the less sense everything makes somehow lool
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Oh yeah it's so interesting. I guess it's the risk you take when you have observed or theorized genes that seem to make sense but when someone finally gets the funding to really dive in to analysis on the genes it's something totally different, or all you can do is confirm 'nope, wasn't what we thought, but we don't know what it is either'. Sigh.
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Huskies are kinda complex, but it's theorized most/all of them have grizzle and urajiro markings which contribute to their color!
This boy looks like a wolf gray to me, and that's just the name of the color in husky terms... she doesn't have a white undercoat but instead a cream one, which is what makes the difference between a silver husky and a wolf gray one. I'm assuming whatever photo ref you used for the color the light was hitting the dog in a way that illuminated its nose to a lighter shade, when in reality it's most likely black and not blue. Blue huskies are almost entirely unheard of!
Regardless, Rak has good knowledge on huskies as well. Whatever she sends your way I'd recommend you hold in high regard! Gorgeous boy, btw! (:
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