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[Concerning those who see Satanism as a religion only for the self, and disregard Satan...]"They are of no importance to me." -Satan
This is one thing that really grinds my gears, so to speak.
"We think Satan is a symbol of-"
NO. Just, no.
Satan is not a symbol, nor is he an idol.
He is a living being who feels, thinks, breathes... he's a person, just like us humans are.
Thinking of him as some sort of "symbol" or "idea", and following LaVey's principles/teachings means you're a LaVeyanist, NOT a Satanist.
As the quote at the beginning of this comment section states, Satan himself does not think of you as a Satanist.
Furthermore, if you think he exists, but think he's some "scary monster", a red guy with horns, or some sort of "ultimate evil deceiver guy who drinks blood and messes humanity up"... then you are definitely not a Satanist, and don't deserve the right to call yourself one.
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No such thing.
You can be a Laveyan/atheist, you can be a Satanist, but it is impossible to be both at the same time.
To claim to be as such is claiming to be an oxymoron.
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Exactly, Enki/Satan is my daddy and he's the most kindest father there is.
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Indeed. He's saved my life more than once (and that's just counting this life.)
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He got me out of the underworld and into this body. Wish he would of found a male body though oh well.
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Out of the underworld?
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I'm Dumuzi, Enki's son.
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That's impossible.
If you were a god at any point, you would be a god now and wouldn't be on Earth; a human soul has always been in a human body, and it always will... unless that person obtains godhood, and isn't reincarnated again after that.
We're all techncially Enki/Satan's "children", but not in a biological parent sense; more like he contributed to the male side of human DNA.
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Enki told me himself, I also have my memories of thousands and thousands of years ago. Even a few of my siblings spoke to me. I talk to them regularly.
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A LaVeyian Satanist here! How are you this evening my dear?
Looking through your deviations, stamps and other postings we seem to have some very different views when it comes to our definitions of what its means to be Left Hand Path and call ones self a Satanist.
So, I'm curious. Why can't Satan be a symbol, or metaphor, or internalized archetype? Why do you feel he has to be a 'person', and why a person and not a god?
And, why reject other's ideas of Satan? Why not instead explore and look to understand them? Isn't it noble for us to seek knowledge and understanding? Why shouldn't we be self aware, unlike other people who follow lighter right hand paths? Satan has gone from being a loyal, all be it dark, servant of Elohim to the ancient Hebrews (in fact, the word "scapegoat" comes from a Hebrew tradition of sacrificing two goats, one in honor of Elohim. The other had the sins of the community places upon it and sent out into the desert, to be consumed by the demon Azazel.) To being seen as the ultimate enemy of Elohim and Man by the Christians. To taking on a tempting and corrupting nature in Islam, and being reinvented and interpreted by holy men, mystics and authors through out history!
Do I agree with all those above mentioned interpretations? No, of course not, but I consider myself a stronger and wiser person for knowing them. We should not deny the history of our ideology and philosophy (I'll even be the first to say Anton LaVey took a lot of ideas from Nietzsche, Ayn Rand and Aleister Crowley. But I still hold him in incredibly high regard.)
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"Why can't Satan be a symbol, or metaphor, or internalized archetype? Why do you feel he has to be a 'person', and why a person and not a god?"
Because he's a living, breathing being... just as your friends and family are.
Technically he's a god, but I think of him as more of a powerful, advanced being; not a god to slavishly worship.
"And, why reject other's ideas of Satan?"
Because they're wrong. End of story.
Claiming Satan to be a red guy with horns or an "evil" dude... is like claiming I have pink hair and green skin.
It's not realistic, it's ridiculous, and it's untrue.
As I said before, he's a real person; not a mythological being that the enemy can shape how they please.
"Why not instead explore and look to understand them?"
Already have tried to explore them; I actually used to have the same mindset most people do... back when I was a xtian.
Satan even says to "question everything."
Thing is... it's just wrong to think of the guy as something he's not, when you have talked to him in person, and seen how he is.
You cannot go back to the lies of the enemy, once you have seen truth for yourself.
"Satan has gone from being a loyal, all be it dark, servant of Elohim to the ancient Hebrews"
And this is where this goes downhill...
Quoting the enemy's writings about him is entirely absurd; you will find nothing but lies written and over-written to make them look like monsters.
Especially the part about Azazel; the gods/demons don't demand living sacrifice, they never have, and most likely never will.
Human/living sacrifice is something done by the enemies of Satan; not his followers or his allies.
This wasn't mentioned, but I skimmed over your journal about Lilith.
It's absolutely disgusting.
She is SATAN'S wife... she was never the lover this fictional, jewish "Adam" character... yet you wrote her with that piece of filth.
You call yourself a "Satanist", yet you have no respect to those who should be most important to you. It doesn't make any sense for you to call yourself as such.
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Thank you very much for your reply my dear.
I would agree with you that Satan is not a god to slavishly worship, as you said. But doesn't worshiping him at all defeat the purpose of realizing your own godhood and show weakness upon his part for not only caring about what others think of him, but not being able to laugh at himself? He's certainly been around long enough develop a sense of humor. Hell, Mark Twain claimed his fall wasn't because of a great war, but merely Satirizing God and his choices with creation. If you've never read Letters From the Earth I really recommend it.
Well, let me pose this to you. Satan means "to oppose/accuse." He is the Adversary, and as such he does not have enemies, because he is the enemy. I'm not saying this as a negative thing mind you, in fact to be an accuser and opposer is to stand up for ones own rights and passions when they are being taken or subjugated. But it also means we risk asserting our wills and dominions over others. Left hand path is about balance in my opinion and to deny an aspect of Satan simply because we don't like it -is- unrealistic. It's as unrealistic as not recognizing the negative aspects of ourselves.
It does seem I'm at a bit of a disadvantage here, so please do tell me what Satan is like, and what he means to you.
Animal and/or human sacrifice have existed for a long time in nearly every culture around the world at some point. Regardless of the influence of Satan, God or any other Abrahamic figure. I'm not saying I agree with the practice. But I will argue that it very rarely has to do with Satan or God and was used as a means to gain the favor and adoration of numerous gods and spirits by a vast number of ancient peoples. It's short sited and culturally biased to say everyone who's ever sacrificed an animal is an 'enemy of Satan' when most of them had no knowledge of Satan to begin with and often times felt the act was just another necessary part of their culture and daily life. They give up their cattle and food to the gods to make sure they're world ran smoothly, which is far from the Sadistic way we view animal sacrifice now. Which it is Sadistic, because it serves no real purpose in our socioty anymore other then a taboo for supposed 'Satanists' and 'Witches' to break to display how 'evil' they are.
Oh, well I'm glad you looked through it. I wrote it quite a while ago and there's still things I've been meaning to go back and add and change up. So how is Adam fictional, and Lilith isn't? Lilith exists textually because Rabbis needed to clear up conflicting passages in Genesis about the creation of humanity and didn't get seen as Satan's wife until much later. Besides, why wouldn't I write her with him? He contrasts her and provides her with the motivation she needs to leave Eden and explore who and what she is and can become. In all the stories about her she joins Satan because she doesn't wish to be subservient to Adam. Satan treats her as an equal rather than a submissive slave and she's able to explore and rejoice in her sexuality without Adam's patriarchal oppression.
I have incredible respect for those who are important to me. My family, my friends and those who continue to inspire and enrich my life. To claim that seeking knowledge about a god like satan is disrespectful sound to me like the Christian view of seeking other interpretations of Jesus and the scriptures as being blasphemy. Open mindedness and individualism require a lot of self awareness and examination, if we just slap a label on ourselves that says 'good' and counter every other opinion on ourselves and our beliefs as automatically 'bad' we risk turning into those who would label us evil without understanding what we believe or who we are as people. We loose sight of our individual bias that allows us to treat others fairly and learn from opposing ideas and become dogmatic.
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Though I'm not involved in this argument, I'd like to enlighten you a little bit about the term Satan. The term by itself, in Hebrew, does mean that, but variations of Satan in Sanskrit don't even come close to this UNLESS the prefix of ha- is appended to Satan. The ha- prefix is very important to distinguish the notion of the Judeo-Christian Satan from the Satan that's been dragged through the mud because of the Jewish tradition of Yom Kippur, where they state that the name Satan has a gematria of 364 and thus is powerless on that particular holiday. However, like I mentioned, this entity referred to on the holiday is called HA-SATAN , not SATAN. If you just input Satan and do a gematria calculation, it can be clearly seen that even from a Hebraic perspective, the two terms are NOT the same at all.
Ha-Satan (364)
- Factors: 2*2*7*13 OR 4 * 7 * 13
- Digit Sum: 13 -> 4
- Digit Sum factors: 2*2 for 4, 13 for 13
- Factors: 359
- Digit Sum: 17 -> 8
- Digit Sum factors: 2*4 OR 2*2*2 (for 8), 17 for 17
Therefore, the vibrational properties are different. However, since most people learn of the term Satan from a Judeo-Christian perspective, there is a silent "ha-" in front of the Satan. Even more interestingly, hasat in Sanskrit means scorning or mocking. The other term they use to refer to the idea of ha-Satan in Judaism, yezter hara, bears a strange resemblance to the term yazohara in Sanskrit in terms of religious connotation. The term yazohara in Sanskrit means to deprive of reputation. Combine that with the silent ha- that most unconsciously put in front of Satan means they actually refer to this slanderous thoughtform that vibrates closest to the levels of yazohara and hasat.
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Thank you very much for your input. I'm afraid I don't know much about Sanskrit or Hebrew as a language. I did know that Ha-Satan was different from Satan, but I was told the 'Ha' in front was a translation for 'the' making Ha-Satan a title, rather than the name of a particular figure. I was referring mainly to the version of Satan that appears in the story of Job earlier. I'm afraid I'm not well versed in more expansive ideas on Satan when it comes to Jewish tradition, other than a very basic understanding of Samiel and Azazel. I have been meaning to look more into Jewish mysticism though, and expand my knowledge on these figured and the Qliphoth.
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"Satanism is a broad term referring to a group of Western religions comprising diverse ideological and philosophical beliefs. Their shared features include symbolic association with, or admiration for the character of, Satan , or similar rebellious, promethean , and, in their view, liberating figures." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism
You're wrong.
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You're going to try and define Satanism by quoting and linking to an enemy website that has no validation.
Okay. XD
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The irony is you never see any Christians claiming that they're Christian and that they're God doesn't exist. (Although I've heard of athiestic Jews...). Yet, Satan is even in the name Satanism.
Although I thought about asking if there was such a thing as atheistic satanists...but I guess that answered my question.
I myself do identify as agnostic, but I find that I do agree with many of the philosophy's behind Satanism. Namely the responsibility to the responsible. And as much as I like helping people, I also realize that one cannot help others unless they're in a position to do so. In otherwards, you need to take care of yourself before others.
A lot of "Satanists" or perhaps "pseudo satanists" claim that Satanism is about worshiping yourself or building yourself up and that Satanism has nothing to do with Satan. I never thought that made a whole lot of sense though. ._.
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I suppose there IS a point in that. even with those so-called atheistic jews, why do they still follow the laws of a god they no longer believe in.
I suppose Satanism still follows that, in truth, but I still wonder concerning who and what that central figure actually is. I can never accept humans claiming they know (because they don't. that's the short answer), and everything we have concerning it is written by people that have scorned it as an enemy - people that are very known for slandering and vilifying their enemies
Maybe, at least to me, it is more of an agonistic pantheism form of Satanism - that 'Satan' is this world, the world these other so-called 'spiritual' religions have condemned as 'an evil den of suffering', and our life and relationship with it, but as for its inner workings, we still lack knowledge as a whole because the majority of humanity still has their head up their asses believing backwoods hogwash written by people who never knew nor made any motion to observe and study this world - and yet thought themselves justified enough to assert their ideas as facts and force it upon others
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Yeah... I know, right?
While Satanism does have a part in building yourself up (via godhood), it's for the betterment of yourself and everyone around you.... except for people who end up pissing you off, they're kinda fucked. lol
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you know, a few months back, I had an idea about the Satanic value of self-improvement and development and what it actually is.
if you associate Satan with the eden serpent, then his first favour for humans was giving them the tools to exercise their own morality (fruit of knowledge of good and evil and all that) - and, even then, the bible states on very clear terms that it opposes humans using their minds for anything.
along with the striving for godhood (which the bible also defines as having knowledge of right and wrong), perhaps the self-improvement is us defining our own moralities and worldviews without the support of the sheep herds and their one-size fits all moral code that only teaches humans how to behave in a submissive society ruled by tyrants. Our improvement may very well be our ability to decide for ourselves - something that needs to be practiced and strengthened
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Well, the serpent of eden is a corrupted metaphor for the kundalini serpent, oh which creates a godlike state when it is raised.
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there are many theories to the eden serpent, but all of them put yahweh in a bad light as either a corrupt and mind-controlling tyrant, a capricious trickster, or a disloyal SOB
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lol There's been plenty of people who've pissed me off in the past, although at this point it'd be better for me to just let things go.
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Yeah, and some people feel that way.
It's all about the individual and what they want to do.
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I suppose it depends on the degree of being pissed off. A mild annoyance isn't enough to seek revenge, and considering the people who did piss me off did so several years ago...it just seems...petty to want to seek vengeance at this point. I won't go into details however.
But if anyone...and I mean ANYONE harms the ones I love...I'd make sure they plead for death when I'm done with them...
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I fully agree with you, there.
There are only 2 people I can think of in this world (that I personally knew anyhow) that deserve death.
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