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VoxVulpina In reply to Ren-o27 [2015-07-26 14:46:29 +0000 UTC]

I know, totally! She seemed right at home that time she put in an appearance in Red Hood and the Outlaws #39!

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jonnyjohn In reply to jonnyjohn [2012-01-15 13:48:06 +0000 UTC]

not only that, but she actually offers her merchandise, you know, her package, her triangle, her fifty per cent of the business.

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VoxVulpina In reply to Primal-Mythos [2011-11-07 20:18:26 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! Yes, adding Rose to the Outlaws seems to be a popular idea for various reasons. I would love to see her drawn by Rocafort. While his art is a bit too sketchy for my tastes it's also very unique, he's incredibly talented. Ah well, we'll just have to keep our fingers crossed

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VoxVulpina In reply to silvanoir [2011-10-27 18:24:59 +0000 UTC]

Rose needs to join that team, pronto! Preferably after DC hand the reins over to someone who can actually write Jason....and Kory...and Roy...and who can make a Batbook look and sound like a Batbook as opposed to a spinoff of Demon Knights.

*facepalm* I know it's not going to happen.

By the way, I don't have a tumblr of my own but I follow yours, silvanoir, it's great to meet you! *thumbs up*

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silvanoir In reply to VoxVulpina [2011-10-27 20:47:23 +0000 UTC]

Part of me does hope that Outlaws lasts long enough to get a new writer. Lobdell seems to only have one tone when writing characters, a tone that doesn't suit any of them (I read a couple of X-men books he did and they were equally awful)

Aww, thanks so much! It might be for the best that you don't have one, Tumblr is VERY addicting.

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VoxVulpina In reply to silvanoir [2011-10-27 23:32:57 +0000 UTC]

I kinda hope the same, except I don't think I can deal with 6/12 issues of character assassination, living in fear that the next writer will pick up where Lobdell left off instead of retconning this travesty. D:

I'm still having a hard time believing that Roy and Jason casually hooking up with sexbot Starfire is CANON. And what about Lobdell's plan to have Jason develop feelings for that horrendous blonde flight attendant whom I already dislike after reading only three pages of her? It'd be cool to see Jason in a semi-relationship...eventually. Just not when Lobdell is writing it. And not with a woman who clambers suggestively across the seats of a plane and then tells us she only remembers hot passengers or whatever. Wow....please spare us. PLEASE.

Ahahaha, so I've heard! I'll steer clear...for now.

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silvanoir In reply to VoxVulpina [2011-10-28 16:29:05 +0000 UTC]

I know. I wouldn't mind Star getting together with the boys if they hadn't been written like douchebags and she had been written with actual feelings. Sigh.

What disgusts me about the flight attendant scene is that she is originally from A Death in the Family. A serious book, the book where Jason DIED. In that, he's only about 15 or 16 and he's stolen Bruce's credit cards, tries to by alchohol with it, but she will only give him soda. It was a breif, cute scene before he met his fate with Joker. For Lobdell to bring her back and have her be so unprofessional, climbing over the seat suggestively to flirt with a boy she first met when he was underage... ICK. Couldn't we have had another cute scene where she tells him he's grown up to be a handsome man, but in a non-flirting way (stay in the isle, stand up straight, friendly smile)?

I want Jason to have a girlfriend too but like you I don't trust Lobdell to be the one to write her (whoever she ends up being)

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VoxVulpina In reply to silvanoir [2011-10-29 14:54:11 +0000 UTC]

*nodnod* Exactly. I'd like Jason's girlfriend to be a strong character, someone I can look up to, certainly not an airhead, or a woman who's a shadow of Starfire's former self. Bleh, at this point even the helicopter pilot who only appeared in two panels of issue #2 would be a better choice...I'm starting to wonder if it's beyond Lobdell's ability to write a decent female character. And overall, he's just so...I dunno, I get this terrible Nineties feel whenever I read Red Hood or Teen Titans. *shudders*

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silvanoir In reply to VoxVulpina [2011-10-30 02:22:09 +0000 UTC]

I always shipped Jason with either Donna Troy (thanks to Countdown) or Ravager (similar attitudes). Heck, I even liked Jason/Talia in Redhood Lost Days more than what Lobdell is writing. Before Lobdell Jason always had a great RESPECT for women, that's part of what I liked about his character, and now that's been thrown away

The helicopter pilot mentioned Jason saving her village... why couldn't we get scenes of that instead of all the pointless "sexy" scenes in issue 1 and 2? Soemone should tell Lobdell that poeple like to see their heroes being actually heroic.

He's a writer from 90's Marvel comics, so that makes sense. He's basically turning Teen Titans into X-men... which is a shame because in the 80's (when Starfire, Cyborg, and Raven were introduced) the writers tried very hard to make sure it was very different from X-men. And he's trying too hard to make Wondergirl "Edgy".... and turned Solstice from a happy light character into a tortured smoky one. SIGH. I also miss fun Kon... Why does Superboy have to be dark and edgy? So much was done to seperate him from just a violent weapon created in a lab, to show he is his own person with friends... so in the reboot they reduce him to a violent weapon. The art on TT looks very 90's too, in a bad way. The way the faces are drawn bugs me.

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VoxVulpina In reply to silvanoir [2011-10-30 11:10:29 +0000 UTC]

Aw yeah! I thought I was the only JasonRose shipper around <3
Ugh, I know, I loved it that Jason wasn't a womanizer like Dick (lol, though I'm old-fashioned, I like Wolfman's monogamist Dick Grayson and try very hard to ignore all those retcons involving Barbara Gordon), and that he was so protective of women and kids- I mean, he possibly pitched a guy off a balcony for raping a woman- but no, now he's banging Starfire and boasting about it, and introduced her by talking about her boobs.

You hit the nail on the head! Seriously, there's a reason I like DC and not Marvel. But it's like DC rebooted itself to be Marvel-Lite. Now the Teen Titans, who are my favorite team, instead of having a HQ, a Memorial Hall, statues of the five founders, a legacy and STABILITY, are just a bunch of teenagers without mentors running wild trying to survive. Not to mention their new costumes are an eyesore, and all of them got the dark-and-edgy treatment. I never liked Wonder Girl, but giving her a barbed wire lasso and having her act like she suddenly decided Ravager is cool after all so why not imitate her, only makes me dislike her more and more. Heh....I figured Solstice would be too cheerful and happy a character for these new Titans....they're all going to be raving angsters, I guess. The question I'm asking myself is, seeing how people agree that the 90's were a terrible time for comics.....why is DC bringing them back?

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silvanoir In reply to VoxVulpina [2011-10-30 15:55:43 +0000 UTC]

There's a few of us! Not too many, but you're not the only Jason/Rose shipper. It was the similarities of what the characters were going through in "Ravager Fresh Hell" and "Redhood Lost Days" that got me thinking about shipping them. Fighting creeps who kidnap kids in the snow and all.

If young Robin-Jason could see his grown-up self in Outlaws, he'd be horrified.

I do like to ignore the rectons involving Dick. Ok, he's had a lot of girlfriends, but one girlfriend at a time, please. I don't accept that he'd ever cheat on anyone.

I liked 90's Xmen in the 90's. But I moved on from it to DC in the 2000's. Because DC was a shinier place where the average people didn't hate the heroes and they could actually be heroic... not anymore! sigh. There was nothing wrong with the original Teen Ttians premise, the sidekicks and young heroes banding together as a team to learn the extent of their powers, how to work together, how to be better heroes without too many adults butting in... but still had the support of the adults, still had a connection to the Justice League and whatnot.

I've never liked Wondergirl (Cassie Sadnsmark) either. (Donna Troy as Wondergirl I liked a lot... I didn't like the husband they gave her for a while, but I liked her).

The only reason I can think of for the DCnu to have such a 90's feel is because they have so many 90s creators working on it. But yeah... they forgot the lessons of how badly the whole "EXTREME" thing went.

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VoxVulpina In reply to silvanoir [2011-10-31 22:43:04 +0000 UTC]

Cassie Sandsmark is unbearable, pre and post Flashpoint.
I liked Donna Troy, it's a shame she didn't make it into the DCnU. I was astounded by DC's decision to leave her out, she's one of those characters who's been around for a really long time- same goes for Garth. Wally. Beast Boy and Raven although they're probably going to show up sooner or later. Trust DC to slaughter my favorite team. Teen Titans is the reason I got into comics in the first place, but because of the reboot three of the five founding Titans are missing, Deathstroke's kids are MIA so we don't even know if the Judas Contract ever took place, DC can't make up its mind if NTT is canon or not....they said it isn't, so why is Lobdell mentioning them in RHatO and TT? What a mess.

Haha, nobody likes Terry Long!!

I'm waiting for the reboot to fall flat on its ass, frankly. RHaTO was my sole reason to keep reading DC, now it's more or less my number one reason to hope for the relaunch to fail.

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silvanoir In reply to VoxVulpina [2011-11-01 14:45:13 +0000 UTC]

I like a few titles from the reboot. The ones I like are more continuations of what went before than rebooted. I like Static Shock, Batman (just plain Batman, the one writen by Scott Snyder which seems to be picking up where Gates of Gotham left off), Batwoman (continuation of Elegy). But other than that... yeah... don't care. Reboot can fall flat on it's face.

Cassie had a few ok moments in the Young Justice comics. But that was it.

I don't know why they invented Terry Long... let's have a young woman hero fall for a divorced middle aged curly orange bearded guy who will hang around the teens but never "get" them. Yeah... good plan there DC.

I'm halfway glad that they left Donna retiring from the superhero biz to focus on her photography career before the reboot. I love her, but I'm happy she wasn't killed off or ruined by changing her.

Garth I think is still dead... who knows. Wally doesn't exist anymore, I think, except in cartoons. Beast Boy is actually shown on one of the apges of the rebooted Teen Titans on a tv screen, so he still exists (and from what I hear, Raven too) but since it's Lobdell who will be writing them I don't have a good feeling about it.

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VoxVulpina In reply to silvanoir [2011-11-04 02:38:26 +0000 UTC]

Aquaman is definitely my favorite, I think it's a continuation of what went on before the reboot, other than that I'm following Lobdell's three books (harboring hope for Superboy, EVEN THOUGH the art REALLY bugs me! Argh, when it's not the writing it's the art, dammit! I don't think it fits the new take on him, the style is too cartoonish and childish, somewhat flat). I would read Wonder Woman but once again it's a case of the art turning me off, and I'm not too happy about the "oh look, she has a daddy! And it's Zeus!" twist. *sigh*

I think what creeped me out was the fact that Terry looked so much older than Donna....and fits my idea of what a perv might look like, so yeah. XD

Oh, I know what you mean- it's like Donna Troy was the only superhero sensible enough to quit before the reboot. That last issue of JLA was sooo sad, it broke my heart. "Adjourned", sigh.

Yep, Raven is shown on a TV screen as well, I'm not sure if I really want to see her and Gar again though....I believe they'll be very different from the characters we knew so they might just as well remain MIA. At this point I'm starting to think that DC should have rebooted their universe completely, instead of keeping some things and ditching others, changing timelines so they're conflicting and unrealistic, de-aging some characters, and so on. Arhgh, sooo confusing. When will the next Crisis be, do you think? lmao

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silvanoir In reply to VoxVulpina [2011-11-04 13:41:52 +0000 UTC]

I give it between a a year to two years for the next big crossover or crisis. I know not all of the 52 books are going to make it far past this year, they said so before the reboot they were going to give them all six issues and then decide which gets to go on.

They really should have started from square one... new fans are confused, old fans are confused. Wipe the slate clean completely like they do in the cartoons and live-action movies and there wouldn't be that problem.

I started following WonderWoman before they revealed the Zeus thing and I'm not happy about it either (hoping it's a fakeout)... I think I'll keep following to find out what happens to the woman's baby, but that's it.

Yup, Aquaman definitely seems like a continuation from Brightest Day... which makes sense, same author and I think the same artist (if not, very similar art).

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VoxVulpina In reply to silvanoir [2011-11-04 17:30:00 +0000 UTC]

Hah, when I heard the writer say "I mean, like, everyone has a father" I just kind of squinted sideways to look at Athena. Everyone has a father, but apparently not everyone has a mother??? I adored the fact that Diana was born of women with no male involvement whatsoever. She was Diana, princess of the Amazons. Now, unfortunately, she'll be Diana, daughter of Zeus. The only way they can make this better is by having her completely disregard the fact Zeus is her father. I don't want Wonder Woman to have daddy issues, for heaven's sake. D:

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silvanoir In reply to VoxVulpina [2011-11-04 17:53:40 +0000 UTC]

There are lizards that reproduce by cloning. They are all female, the females lay eggs which are born perfect genetic reproductions of themselves. There have been sharks in aquariums which have also had virgin births. So no, not everyone has a father. Or on the mythological side, many things came to life from objects. Wonder Woman is rooted in Greek myth. she came to life from clay and her mother's prayers.... they touched on that in the new issue but then had a villianess say that Zeus is really her father (hoping it's a fakeout, or that all it means was that he was the god that granted her mother's wish and he isn't literally her father).

They better not pull the whole Hera is mad at Zues's children he had behind her back thing, they already did that in the old Hercules tv series in the 90s

But yeah, I liked that is was an island of women, run by women to be their own paradise, full of warriors, scientists, queens, princesses... it had everything without men.

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VoxVulpina In reply to KaijuDuke [2011-10-27 18:16:33 +0000 UTC]

Well, this Roy here has been deprived of everything and everyone he cares about (family, mentor, friends, even ten years or so if his life as he's suddenly back in his teens!) and tortured by LOL-bdell (poor Roy, being forced to act like a skeezy sidekick for two issues of Outlaws......), so he's keen on getting everything back as it was before the universe as we know it was twisted by the Screwed 52, and that means teaming up with fellow escapees Red Hood and Starfire, and Ravager when they meet her!

I'd say he's still a teenager, there's not a lot he can do about having been de-aged, but he's definitely not the immature idiot DC want us to think he is...and he hasn't lost any limbs or beaten people with a dead kitty, either!

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VoxVulpina In reply to nekojindesigns [2011-10-26 01:47:13 +0000 UTC]

Whoopee!!

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VoxVulpina In reply to ninjaman42 [2011-10-26 01:40:39 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I've come to the conclusion that I'll just have to make up Outlaws stories in my head and sit in a corner chanting "LALALALALALALALALALA LOBDELL I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY PERSONAL CANON'S AWESOMENESSSSS" with the release of each issue, so I can keep drawing fanart that's untainted by the crappiness of the series

To think, Red Hood was the only title of the New 52 I was really looking forward to...urgh.

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JoshMC2000sev In reply to VoxVulpina [2020-11-26 04:13:57 +0000 UTC]

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silvanoir In reply to VoxVulpina [2011-10-26 12:54:05 +0000 UTC]

same here, same here

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ninjaman42 In reply to VoxVulpina [2011-10-26 01:54:11 +0000 UTC]

I feel your pain.

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VoxVulpina In reply to Kikakusha [2011-10-26 01:27:13 +0000 UTC]

To each his own!

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VoxVulpina In reply to posionwood [2011-10-25 16:38:05 +0000 UTC]

We can dream!

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posionwood In reply to VoxVulpina [2011-10-25 17:14:44 +0000 UTC]

And then DC will crush those dreams, just like they have crushed all the rest. D:

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VoxVulpina In reply to posionwood [2011-10-25 17:27:37 +0000 UTC]

lmao...DC: where everything you love dies!

*cries*

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VoxVulpina In reply to Doragon12 [2011-10-25 16:32:46 +0000 UTC]

*hugs* Shhh, I know, I know.

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