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Weyard — SSB4 Newcomer? Isaac
Published: 2011-10-03 07:52:45 +0000 UTC; Views: 1849; Favourites: 22; Downloads: 45
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As part of my SSB4 hype, I'm going to be drawing a few of the possible newcomers.First is Isaac.
Along with Ridley, he is one of the most requested and most likely newcomers.
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Golden Sun aside, I can't wait to see who else was heavily requested for SSB4.
On topic, yeah, I'd love to see this guy in the next Brawl, too.
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If you visit any of the SSB fan-site you should get a pretty good idea. Generally, Isaac, Little Mac, Ridley, Saki, Waluigi, Bowser Jr. and Toad are the most popular right now.
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Thanks for the tip. Still, I'm awaiting your take on these contenders.
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you: Along with Ridley, he is one of the most requested and most likely newcomers.
me: yippee
ridley no matter what anyone says will most likely be added due to the amount of demand but he will not be able to fly as that is to cheap.
another thing is that smash bros needs more rpg characters instead of just fire emblem.
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Fire Emblem isn't an RPG, it's a Strategy.
Mother and Pokemo, however, are RPGs thoroughly represented in Brawl.
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Fire Emblem is Strategic Role Playing Game and Pokemon/Mother are Turn Based Role Playing games. Different branches of the same genre.
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If you're counting FE, might as well count Zelda, too.
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Yeah, Zelda is a Action/Adventure Role Playing Game. Technically anything where you are playing as a character doing something is.
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Ya Ridley wouldn't be able to fly. He might get 3-5 jumps and his run animation might be a gliding animation like Charizard's.
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he may be like kirby when he jumps a lot and stays in the air but eventually falls down. also do you think there will
smash balls or do you think they will have something new?also do you think they will have new items based on new characters example: summoning tablets?
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Sakurai wanted Final Smashs in SSB64 but was unable to implement them. He then wanted them in Melee, but time constraints stopped him. Then we finally got them in Brawl. I'm pretty confident that Smash Balls will return, because he had always wanted them. I think we might get multiple final smashs for each character though.
There has to be a few new items. Djinn would be the best item to represent Golden Sun, unless they include them in Isaac's moveset. Then summon tablets would be an awesome item.
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oh i think he might have also thought of assist trophy when 64 came out. speaking of assist trophy i think saturos and menardi would be a good one. Isaac most likely have judgement as his final smash. or another idea he could have 4 djinn that can be selected at the battle selection then when you enter in battle you can use summon witch you can add more djinn on as you charge up though if you charge it up all the way and use judgement or meteor etc. you will have too wait for your djinn to charge up. another downside while having less dijin is your attacks are weaker the less djinn thus balancing out his potential cheapness.
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That would be nice.
My movesets based on djinn involved one of the B-moves being a simple djinn attack, using one of the 4 elements, at random.
Forward B for example, would just activate and attack with a random djinn.
If you got a Venus, he would strike the opponent with the djinn as though it was Flint. If it was a Mercury, he would use a random one of them, and so on. Once you had used this Djinn move, you would have one djinn of that element "set". There would be a glowing ball corresponding to the color that would follow Isaac around, almost like how Djinni are shown in some of the earlier official artwork for GS where they were so small that you could only really see the glow from them at a distance.
Once you had one djinn set, a different B move (neutral B??) would be "summon". Depending on which element of djinn you had set, it would use that summon.
If no djinn had been set, it would do nothing.
1 venus= a venus djinn just appearing and bursting into yellow energy
2 venus= a small version of Ramses appears and launches his fist
3 venus= a small version of Cybele appears and make vines come from under the opponent's feet.
4 venus= Judgement occurs.
If you ended up with 4 completely random djinn set, which don't correspond to one of the mixed element summons (Zagan and such), it would simply launch the 4 random djinn forward, doing damage with some good knockback.
I suppose Summons that require more than 4 djinn normally (Cataclysm and such), could be mapped to just 4 djinn to fill in gaps where there is no corresponding summon normally.
Due to the randomness, you would very rarely manage to get 3-4 of the same djinn set at once. This would allow the 3rd and 4th tier summons to be pretty overpowered.
His remaining B moves could be anything really.
This would be a moveset based heavily on luck, but most people don't like that.
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thats a great idea.
my favorite character to battle with is mr game and watch which is heavily based on luck but i see your point.
however if this was added what would his final smash be?
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I already have a moveset written up with "set Djinn" and "summon" as b moves. The Final Smash would just let you pick 4 djinn of any element and they become "set". Then you could just use summon directly afterwards. It would basically give you a free 4th tier summon.
As most final smashes ensure a KO, the 4th tier summons would need to do a ton of damage/knockback, then it would be fine.
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Oh, please. Isaac, Felix, Matthew, I don't really care that much (though I do like Felix better... xD). Just put a Golden Sun character on SSB4 Nintendo!!!
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How bout they put both Isaac and Felix in so they could brawl each other? Im for that!]
I love both dudes, although im more partial towards Isaac since he's the first story you play through..
You also have to take in account that Saturos and Menardi's clan saved... i think... if i remember correctly, Felix, so the dude prolly has some partiality towards them.. but later finds out the truth of their plans. So its fair to say, both were deluded, and used.
anyway, cool drawing! 
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I don't think he was partial to them, so much as he totally supported their cause. He had lived in Prox for so long that he had to have heard why the Lighthouses needed to be lit and knew that what they were doing was necessary.
lol ya everyone was deluded all the time, while Alex pulled the strings. 3 games in and we still don't know what exactly Alex's goal is. No other game has ever attempted something like that with it's main villain.
I support having Isaac and Felix, or Isaac (old) and Matthew. I don't really care about having clones as much as the rest of the community lol.
As long as they had some different A moves, I would be perfectly fine with it.
Although Isaac and Felix should fight completely different, I don't see Sakurai giving them each a whole moveset.
Matthew has more Mars psynergy by default, so his moveset would be different anyway.
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I think clones whould be kinda fine, but with a diff element. Like you said, Matthew with more Venus/Mars and Isaac Venus/Mercury
Along another note, im still pushing for Hector or lyn as a playable, from fire emblem, before either of these guys tho lol
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I think we'll probably keep Marth and Ike, get Roy as a Marth costume, then get either Liz or Krome from the new FE.
Hector and Lynn would both be welcome as AT's though.
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Now, I would prefer Felix! XD. And sorry, Ridley won't make it. The dragon is too massive.
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No, really. Miyamoto said that Ridley would need to be shrunk to join. And by your icon I see you prefer Isaac. Two words. WRONG HERO. The dude spend his game and almost all of Felix's game RUINING the world. Felix? He kicks ass and saves it.
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Miyamoto has never commented on Ridley to my knowledge. Are you perhaps referring to Sakurai?
Sakurai said this regarding Ridley:
"I think that would probably be pretty impossible. [Laughs] If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be all right? [Laughs]"
He is saying that in his opinion, it would be impossible. BUT, if they tried, he is confident that it would work, but he would be a slow
character.
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How exactly did Isaac ruin the world? He killed Saturos and Menardi because he thought it was the right thing to do. That is the only negative thing Isaac did throughout both games. His party's entire journey consisted of cleaning up messes left by Saturos' party, repairing things they damaged or saving people who they endangered.
Of course I prefer Isaac. And no, I don't have the wrong hero, I have the only hero. Felix isn't a hero, by any means.
By neglecting to inform Isaac of the truth at Sol Sanctum, Felix caused all of these issues. If Felix had told Isaac's party that the lighthouses had to be lit, there would have been no kidnapping, no running back and forth, Saturos and Menardi would have continued their journey and accomplished their goal of saving the world unimpeded. Saturos, Menardi and Felix would have been the true heroes of Weyard, despite what atrocities they committed along the way. It seems that Felix didn't disapprove of their actions throughout the first game. I don't recall ever seeing Felix condemn their actions. He went along with it. They saved his life, so he felt that he should help them with their goals, no matter how many people they had to hurt in the process.
By hiding his identity and mission, he is solely responsible for Saturos and Menardi's deaths in the very least.
Isaac was told by the wise one, the closest thing to a god in their world, to prevent the lighthouses from being lit, so he followed this order. Anyone would have followed this order, at least until he/she had reason to believe that it was not sincere or true.
If at any point in the first game, it was suggested that this was not the correct course of action, and that by leaving the lighthouses unlit would lead to the world's destruction, I seriously doubt that Isaac would have still followed them with the intention of stopping them. He is shown to be a good person, and would have likely joined Saturos's party or at the very least stepped aside and let them finish their mission.
Remember that this is just a game, and the plot dictates that Felix's silence caused the events to unravel as they did. If Felix had revealed his mission at Sol Sanctum, the game would be over at that point. They would succeed in lighting the lighthouses, Alex would likely gain the entirety of the Golden Sun, instead of the small part he received normally. Because the Wise One would have never had contact with anyone in order to enchant one of the stars with a piece of it's power.
I also doubt that Saturos' party would have been able to defeat the Wise One/His Minion on Mars Lighthouse, so it is likely that they would have never succeeded in saving the world in the first place. It required 8 people to defeat Doom Dragon, while in the situation, they would only have had 4. Agatio and Karst would have had no reason to join them in their quest, as Saturos and Menardi had everything under control.
Felix is an important character to the story, and without him behaving in the manner he did, there would be no story. Yet he is not a hero, as he was partly responsible for all antagonistic deeds seen throughout the first game.
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I wonder, what would your feelings toward Felix be, if he ends up being the Dark Psynergy emperor?
There is speculation that he is, as Dark Psynergy is tied to Venus psynergy, along with the fact that he has been absent for so long.
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Now, I remember! It was that guy XD!
Now wait one moment young sir. FELIX DID NOT KNOW UNTIL HE GOT TO LEMURIA THAT THE WORLD WOULD BE SAVED. He could not be certain! I wouldn't if TWO MARS ADEPTS WERE HOLDING MY LOVE LIFE AND SISTER HOSTAGE. I think he has reason for his actions! Isaac was a deluded fool.
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No, Felix was aware of the situation. I don't see how he couldn't have been aware.
He had lived in Prox for those years and had come to know the town's people. Some of them say they feel like they watched him grow up.
Most everyone in Prox knew that the world was eroding. He had lived there for years so he had to have heard their stories and felt for their cause.
He had no proof of course, he simply knew that Saturos and Menardi were lighting the lighthouses in order to save their village and possibly the world. If he helped them save Prox, they would free his family.
That was his part of the deal.
But how can a deluded fool be blamed? Isaac acted righteously, to the best of his knowledge, throughout both games.
Felix acted shadily and helped criminals. It doesn't matter whether their missions were for the good of the world/Prox, nor did it matter that they were threatening to harm his family if he didn't comply.
Jenna doesn't even factor into this.
The only reason they kidnapped Jenna in the first place was because Isaac stalled with the stars. They had to take her in order to insure that he complied with their wishes. The fact that Jenna is Felix's sister had little to do with it. They already had Felix's parent's and the un-payed debt of saving his life, no further leverage was necessary.
If Felix had simply explained the situation right there in Sol Sanctum, Isaac would have handed the stars over with little consequence. Saturos wouldn't have needed Jenna as leverage against him.
I prefer a deluded fool who eventually learned the truth and saved the world, over a man who:
-chose to keep quiet and stand idly by as his companions ravaged the country side trying to get it all over with before the deluded fool caught up with them
-let these same companions be killed by the deluded fool because he neglected to inform the deluded fool of the true circumstances.
-once again comes face to face with the deluded fool at Jupiter Lighthouse.
-let his sister and new companions explain the situation when he should have explained it at their first meeting
-joined forces with the deluded fool to save the world
-succeeds in saving the world
-then... in my opinion, goes into hiding for 20 years because he can't cope with the fact that he could have prevented so much suffering, by simply explaining everything in the first place.
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If he explained Isaac would think he was lying.
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Possibly, but wouldn't Jenna believe/trust him and convince Isaac that he must be telling the truth?
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Isaac isn't that obsessed with Jenna. Just because she says something doesn't make it true. BTW, what is your view on Piers?
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Considering that they are the only 2 party members that went on to have children together, I think he would have believed her, out of respect/love.
What about Piers?
Are you referring to his chances of appearing in a SSB or just about the character itself?
He probably has no chance of getting in SSB4 as playable or as an AT, unless they use some sort of Party system gimmick for Isaac/Felix/Matthew (whichever is playable).
Piers isn't one of my favorites. Him and Sheba are probably my least favorite out of all 3 games, but that's mostly just because of their stat builds and design.
Character wise, I like him though. Looks like he'll have an important role in GS4, possibly playable in your 2nd party.
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I LOVE Piers! He is my fave character of all time! Heh, in my opinion, no one stands up to his might!
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Miyamoto has no connection with Smash Bros and hasn't said anything about Ridley in Brawl. You mean Masahiro Sakurai, the director. And the entire quote was "It would be pretty impossible wouldnt it? I mean, we could probably get it to work if we put our best effort into it. But he might be a little slow. Would that be alright?" Dont take one part out of context when the entire quote shows that he hasn't thought about it either way.
Two words. Right Hero. Felix pretended to be a villain instead of telling Isaac the truth. He could have easily let them know what was really going on instead of standing aside and letting them fight. Even in the sequel he never does anything of importance and in the end Isaac comes out the hero, while Felix seemingly exiles himself from the group. I dont see what makes him badass any more than the other characters. Is it because he has emo hair? If you recall correctly, he was just following orders in lighting the lighthouses, as Isaac was in preventing their lighting.
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Nice! I'd love to see him it the next Smash Bros! ... only so long as he's not a copy of Marth/Roy/Ike.
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If Sakurai has any creativity at all, he shouldn't be like any of those 3.
He would probably have to share his role with Link, as a mixed projectile and physical attacker.
I imagine him as using psynergy/djinn for all B moves, while most A moves utilize Utility Psynergy (like move/push/lash).
I would only imagine him using the sword for Forward Smash and maybe a few other moves.
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I think the whole isaac thing should be like zelda and pokemon trainer switching out of the golden sun characters like ivan, mia, and garret for more diverse attacks.
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He would have diversity on his own using Utility psynergy, djinn, sword moves, and lastly Venus/Mars psynergy, but that would be interesting as well.
Would it just be the original party or the whole group?
Then we would have a character that truly represents rpgs in general.
Then again, they could use a Djinn based gimmick, having one B move attack with a random djinn, and after setting so many in this manner, your class would change. Each class could have different B/A moves.
Extremely complicated and unlikely, but that would be amazing lol.
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I would like to see it. I'm also thinking heavily about stages and other potential characters.
When you think about it, the final few "universes" Nintendo can absorb into the Smash Bros. Universe (as far as characters and/or stages go) are "Famicon/Advance Wars", "Golden Sun", "Custom Robo", and "Punch-Out!!". That's off the top of my miond.
Personally, I hope that "Kid Icarus: Uprising" is completed soon so a team can be assembled to get started on the fourth Smash Bros.
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The new-series reps are going to be pretty scarce this time.
I can't think of but 3-4, not counting 3rd-party reps.
Golden Sun and Punch Out are the only two that you listed that definitely can see getting a rep. Advance Wars following them.
I think Saki is extremely likely as well. I got a chance to play both of it's games and loved them. The character models are really disgusting and warped, but Sakurai managed to translate it pretty well for his AT appearance in Brawl.
Plus Kid Icarus: Uprising's gameplay borrowed heavily from it, due to the Sin and Punishment series being one of Sakurai's favorites.
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Now he would be the best! Maybe they could make Saturos and Marnardi (Probably killed the spelling) into a boss battle like in the Subspace.
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Just 2 letters off, it's Menardi lol.
I'm not sure whether we'd get a Golden Sun related boss unless they intentionally gave us a boss for each series.
Saturos and Menardi would do really well as a boss though. Fighting them at the same time, then they transform into Fusion Dragon for the second half of the battle.
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We can dream can't we?
And isn't it a little early to get hyped for SSB4?
We should at least wait until they release Kid Icarus, then they might start working on it.
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SSB4 hype started strong after it was announced at e3, then it diminished. Then a plausible leak brought it up again. Then Sakurai responded to the leak saying that he hadn't stared development yet. The hype hasn't dropped off from there though.
The bulk of KI is finished, so I have little doubt that Sakurai is already gathering his ideas and planning for SSB4, whether he publicly acknowledges it or not.
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