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EscapeWheel [2008-05-23 16:41:01 +0000 UTC]
Heeyyyy... I'm not the only one going for a tattoo of the Chinese celestial symbols after all! Nor the only one doing a bit of research. I'm actually going in for a planning meeting with my artist tomorrow, with two full working days of inking booked this summer. I'm getting the back piece to cover up a poorly done angel the original drawing of which I've misplaced somewhere along the way.
My theme seems to differ slightly from yours, though, in that my bird is Zhu Que instead of Fenghuang, as in one of the four mythological creatures of the Chinese constellation.
One thing about dragons, btw: the imperial Chinese dragon has 5 claws and ordinary chinese (and Korean, iirc) has 4, while Japanese ryuu have 3 claws.
About my piece: according to a few sources, the 4 celestials are Xúan Wu (The black tortoise of the North), Bái Hu (The White Tiger of the West), Zhu Què (The Vermilion Bird of the South), and Qing Long (The Azure Dragon of the West). Or at least these are the ones that were used in old dynasty era cartography and were widespread in far eastern cartography to signify the cardinal directions.
(In chinese cartography and other usage, there was usually also a 5th animal, The Yellow Dragon of the Center, who was strongly related to, and in fact often synonymous with, the Emperor of China)
The Mythological creatures also (naturally) correspond with one of the Five elements: Dragon - Wood, Bird - Fire, Tiger - Air, Tortoise - Water, which leaves Earth for Huang Long, the Yellow Dragon of the Center.
My plan for the arrangement, on the other hand, comes from the creatures' properties, the Tortoise of the North will be up, White Tiger of the West on the left, Vermilion bird of the south will be down, and the Azure Dragon of the East will be on the right, each with a bit of background corresponding to the appropriate season the beast governs, as well as some reference to the animal's assigned element. The inspiration for this setup is the city of Kyoto, where there are temples to each of the four beasts in the corresponding direction, north for the tortoise, east for the dragon, south for the bird, and west for the tiger. In Japan, they naturally don't have the fifth beast, which was the Han emperor's symbol.
Artistically, my piece is going to be strongly Japanese in style. I've found some wonderful Tigers in some art folders at the studio, as well as a couple of promising birds, and one or two possible tortoises, although for the tortoise I'm really hoping to go the way of the Aldabra Giant Tortoise, of which there are some really nice photos on the internet. I'll be sure to post pictures of the work in progress when I get that far, but I won't be sharing the design as a scan or photo until it's inked in. The only animal I'm having trouble with is the one that's drawn the most: the dragon. The Mosher art folders at the studio with all the wonderful tigers and stuff do have dragons, but I just do not like the heads on those things. I've been looking around here on DA and elsewhere for good dragon designs for a few months now, but still haven't come across one that would be just right. I guess we'll mix-n-match and modify with the artist tomorrow.
Anyway, all the best with your project, and sorry for the rant.
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JennieO-of-Hyrule64 [2008-01-21 05:20:11 +0000 UTC]
Sweet. . . in fact I don't think I could give any tips, it such an excellent job, seriously.
how about peacock like plumes on it's head? but then again I don't know if that will make it look better. . .
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KouNaraishi [2007-07-14 20:03:22 +0000 UTC]
Go Dragon!!!...no wait!,,,GO Phoenix!!!...no wait wait!...crap I don't know who to root for...
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Clear-skye [2006-12-28 16:38:12 +0000 UTC]
I love what you have done, you could add all four (dragon, Feng Huang, the unicorn and the white tiger) in the same piece, save up more money! the idea of a tattooist is to translate your ideas into a picture for you to decide yes or no. i love the pheonix the most. im inspired anyway. *wanders off*
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Whisper-of-Shadows In reply to Clear-skye [2006-12-30 06:07:03 +0000 UTC]
Yup, that be my plan!! I mainly wanna get the dragon and the Feng Huang the most because I'm born in the year of the dragon, and in Phoenix AZ, so they hold the most meaning to me. I'd planned on getting that tattoo done, at least the linework, during my winter break but I talked to several artists here where I live and they all guessed to get the whole thing done it'd take at least 3 sitting and cost roughly around $1,000 for full colour!! Yikes... I'm only a college student with a crummy part time job and I spend most my earnings on art supplies for school, but I've been saving up little by little.
So this here is only a rough, and I plan to go into better detail and intricacy in the inked version. I've gotta go to my school and use the animation lab's lightboards and see if I can do a better, (and much cleaner!!) rendering of it when I've got the free time. I'd love to have a professional artist do a reinterprettation of what I've got here, but they do charge for it (unfortunately) and I don't have that sort of money to toss around at a moment's notice. But, I do want to get this done completely by the time I finish college in the next 2 1/2 years!
Wow, that was rambling of me there. Shesh...but, I'm so glad you liked this!! It always makes me smile to read comments like yours. BTW, I love your sig. Very true.
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Clear-skye In reply to Whisper-of-Shadows [2006-12-30 09:56:33 +0000 UTC]
It is indeed, i have a thing for quotes...! I'd be interested to know how it works out for you! Lots of money to save, i thought it would be more than 3 sittings but yet again... Should be one amazing tattoo. Yet again, anything tattoo and i love it... *sighs* if its going to tlast forever it has to mean something as you have said. I'm glad your not just doing it because it's pretty. Some people think more on what they are going to eat than what tattoo to get. just my opinion. never mind. *looks at pic again and smiles*
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Whisper-of-Shadows In reply to Clear-skye [2006-12-30 21:53:45 +0000 UTC]
Quotes rule, I'm a nut about them. My favourite one to date has to be one I found in my weekly planner from school: "Great minds are like parachutes, they only function when open." I don't remember who said it though, I'll have to hunt it down again...
Oh man, I'd love to let you know how the whole tattoo thing goes when I get it done! I'm glad to see you're really interested in it too. Yeah, they guys guesstimated at least 3 sittings, provided I could handle the pain and the shock. More'n likely it'd take 5-ish. It'd take at least 4-5 hours to do the linework alone because I told the artists I checked up on that I wanted the outlining done with a single needle tip. Yee-ouch! The, obviously, it has to heal before I can start putting colour on it. Many of the places I checked into said they could do 2 hours of tattoo work for only $200 and that includes colour, but then again, I'm not sure of the quality I'd be getting. I know a friend of mine back at school works at a tattoo shop and one of her co-workers did a gorgeous full sleeve on her right arm and it's to die for. She said if I ever wanted to get a tat done, that I should go to her place because they do have quite a few award winning artists there. As of now, I'm not sure exactly what I'd want the colours to be on both the dragon and Feng Huang, but I want to keep the imperial colours in there as much as possible. Maybe do the dragon in reds and Feng in mostly green but we'll see. Any input on the colour choices?
I'm super glad that I've decided to wait until now to even thing about getting it done. I mean, I had this idea to get a different one of my designs done on each of my shoulder blades when I first moved out to Cali, but thanks to my mom, we held off on the idea. Thank the gods/satan!! That would have been a huge mistake because it was a very intricate design and over tim it would have turned to something really muddy, ugly and unrecognizable. But this one, my 4 Imperial/Celestial Guardians, them I can totally live with. I hate the people who just get up and go, "Oh I think I'll get a tattoo today!" and then they do and years later it looks like shit and they hate it. Like a friend of mine: her best friend decided to get a tattoo of Bano from U2 done on her back. WTF? U2 was just a phase that she went through and she changes her mind all the time so now she's stuck with some random man on her back for all eternity.
Phew, long comment...
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Clear-skye In reply to Whisper-of-Shadows [2006-12-30 22:25:43 +0000 UTC]
I love the quote!! why would want bono from U2 on them forever??? Ok so maybe id have the used on me... its another obsession. Never mind.
As for the colours, well, personally i like grey tattoos but for this it wouldnt work, I'd stick to one shade, like the dragon shades of blue and green and pheonix rich reds. (id swap the colours arround by hey it yours!) sometimes if it is too confusing your can't tell what it is. its good you have people who you can ask about tattoos. I really am starting to hate tattoo artists though. It's almost impossible to get an aprenticeship in england and i am NEVER going to ring one up again. Hell no.
As for your mum, thank her not the goddesses/gods/satan/whatever you believe...
Anyway, as soon as I get my scanner working I can upload my designs. Hell i wish it would work. I hate computers. *curses* back the design, one last thing good luck with the pain!!!!
(I love the bird more than the dragon, they way you have it placed as if it really is flying. I'm so fussy i havent actually got a tattoo yet (and im broke, yet again, my dad said he'd pay) I stuck the picture of wings up on my wall and got board so thats a no, my two wolves arent right somehow and the dragon i did western style isnt amazing enough. fussy. i can't get it to look like its flying. I have reasons for all of these but... nothings right.)
oh and a quote...we've all been through hard times, and its up to us if it strenthens or destroys us. music has saved all our lives. -the used. my fav!
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Raalhaan [2006-11-21 14:14:31 +0000 UTC]
I always read your whole discriptions and did again. I agree that no one should take this for their own, though it is great - so don't be shocked if it inspires other artworks and tatoos. I have wanted to draw a piece like this... but I will make it my own and not steal from my friend.
I assume you weren't born in January. The Chinese new year is at the end of January or the beginning of February (I forget exactly when)... but I want to say I love this, and all your work.
If a tatoo is what you want, then do it. Your back is an excelent place. Throughout your life, it will change far less than other parts of you skin will. And I can think of nothing better than your own work to be inked in.
Take care now... and yes, I am going to fav it. So there!
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Whisper-of-Shadows In reply to Raalhaan [2006-11-22 15:57:22 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I know other people might springboard ideas off of this but that doesn't really bother me. I'd freak and get bitchy if I saw this same dsign on someone, bit for bit, but I've seen plenty of Dragon and Phoenix designs like this before. By all means, go ahead and draw up a design like this! I'd love to see what you could do!
Nope, not born in January. I was born in December, on the 9th actually! I've got a few more weeks before I'm a legal pain in the butt! (Or as my dad so jokingly says, "Now you'll be able to legally buy cigs and porn! Wooooo!" and he's totally against both things. Such a funny man)
Baha! I have to email a few places back home in order to get an estimate and see if they can actually do a design like this. I'd hate to get my hopes up and then find out that there are too many lines and too much detail that would ultimately ruin it! If that ends up being the case, I'll be holding off on this design for a few more years (until after I graduate. My dad is against tattoos as well and he said that he'll stop paying for my tuition if I get a tattoo before I graduate. Buuuut I don't really want to wait 2 1/2 more years. so I'll just be hiding it from him)
Anyroad, I have a few "backup designs" that I want to get as well, but I do have a nasty habit for picking the most painful parts of my body for those. Like, the star patterns I'm looking to get done on my sdes (ribcage area). Biiiig ouch zone there. Or the barcode design on the back of my neck. 'Nuther ouch.
Heh, but thanks so much for the fav, and glad ya liked the design!
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Whisper-of-Shadows In reply to Raalhaan [2006-11-22 19:23:36 +0000 UTC]
Aww, no tats for you? Shame, it seems like you'd like to have a few of your own! If you ever get any, you'll have to tell me! What's Second Life? Sounds wicked cool!
Nyeheh, I can oficially be a legal pain, of course! Legal with the cops at least. Would you believe that I almost got arrested one time for "breaking and entering"? I was taking care of my neighbors dogs and I tripped the alarm sytem and the cops were pretty peeved. Twas late at night and I was standing there shaking my head and saying, "look, I have the freaking key and I live right next door. Go talk to my mom". Man, i made it in the paper the next morning...How criminal of me! As for the being interested in you bit, I hate to say it but I'm already in a loving relationship. Sorry to crush your hopes! I've been with this guy for well over a year and I've known him for nearly 5 and life hasn't been better for me. Granted, there is a distance between him and as (because he is in the Navy) but that all should be resolved once he finished up A School and gets stationed elsewhere hopefully San Diego!) But, I'm still flattered by your comment!
Cha, bar code! I dunno who it is in Cowboy Bebop (never caught onto that show actually) but I've liked the idea of a barcode. It's still a debateable thing though.
Yaahaa, Miami Ink! God I love that show. If I were anywhere near Florida I'd totally get it done there. But...I'm on the complete oposite coast! Bummer...
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Whisper-of-Shadows In reply to Raalhaan [2006-11-24 20:57:12 +0000 UTC]
Eh, whatever works for you! I'm the "rebel" of the family (I dye my hair and get piercings...oooh, the rebelion of it all)
Old fart my ass. 28 isn't old you goof! Though admittedly I prefer to stay away from men who are more that 5 years older than I am. (I had an awful experience when I was a bit younger and it left me a shattered person, very hateful and self destructive, and that dark period lasted over a year.) But, what's to say I wouldn't enjoy your company? I don't really like hanging around with people my age, I think a lot of them are incredibly immature and stupid. I grew up with adults being the only people I really talked to, so I guess that'd be the reasoning behind all that. Admire and envy at your own will then!
Yeah, I think I only ever watched one episode of Bebop, and that was in the middle of the series I think, so I never caught on to it. I know on old friend (ex-friend, if you can believe it) was obsessed over the idea of me getting one. She had a thing for me...and necks, and barcodes. I rather like the idea. Riddick, I dunno. Never saw that either. I'm not a huge movie buff, and I rarely ever go out to see them in theatres. The only time I watch them is when either A) my mum and I decide to brave a blizzard and bring home pizza and a movie or B) when my boyfriend would bring them over on occassion. Other than that, it's a miracle if I see one. *laughs*
See, I'd love to boogie down to Florida and get me a tattoo on the show, but then I'd run the risk of my segment being aired, then a friend of my dad's watching it, and telling my dad about it, and ultimately busting my cover. See, my dad's logic is that if I get a tattoo before I graduate from college (at the age of barely 20) then he'll pull the plug on my tuition. I think the payments are only about $360 per month, but with the job I'm holding down I barely make $300 a month because I can only work 2 days a week. Most of that money goes toward art supplies and presentation supplies. See, I'm going to that school only because I won a half ride scholarship and because my grandparents are letting my live with them. Had those two things not worked in my favor then I'm be in Colorado at a community college. Sooooo... damn, I really want to be on that show and meet the crew, I really do. I even know a few people who I could bum around with down there. Nikki, a friend of mine from high school who moved in our sophomore year, and Thomas, a friend of mine who used to live in California, but moved to Colorado and joined the Air Force Academy but dropped it and now he's in flight school there in Florida. (He's an awesome pilot) Ehehe, those bragging rights would be so awesome like, "yeah, I was on Miami Ink, and I'm commenting on your stuff. Whatcha gonna do?" I'd be a mini celebrety or something. And of course, I'd have to wear some bad ass make up too. Maybe for one of my later tattoos! (Or the continuation of this one. I only want the dragon and the phoenix right now, but I think I want to add the unicorn/kirin and the tiger in the long run. We'll see.) Maybe I'll end up on the show yet!
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Raalhaan In reply to Whisper-of-Shadows [2007-01-08 18:01:25 +0000 UTC]
I hope you can... or at least that things make you happy, lovely lady.
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ProFool [2006-11-18 04:56:07 +0000 UTC]
I read it all so now I can fave it BWAHA!
okay so here comes my two-bit knowledge about tattooing!
Things to keep in mind:
Skin isn't flat, this is going to dip in where your spine is make sure your tattoo artist can compensate for that.
Color tattoo's fade, I don't know if your going have this done in coloe, but just sos you know.
Main thing is make sure you get a good tattoo artist, my mom has a license and she has no talent in the ways of tattoos.
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Wolfattwilight [2006-11-12 00:18:10 +0000 UTC]
beautiful job! love how u did the feathers and the scales and the fur, looks marvelous
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Whisper-of-Shadows In reply to Wolfattwilight [2006-11-18 05:57:40 +0000 UTC]
Thanks so much! The scales and fur are only prelim textures and they were done really quick so once I actually put effort into this it'll look 1000 time better!
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Wolfattwilight In reply to Whisper-of-Shadows [2006-11-19 03:46:00 +0000 UTC]
lol ur welcome! im dyin to see what itll look like finished! omg *dies* X3
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Ennoea [2006-11-11 19:56:15 +0000 UTC]
It's amazing...
I'd never be able to get anything done like that on my body...
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Wolfsmell [2006-11-07 05:22:15 +0000 UTC]
Well, I don't like tattoos, but this is about the coolest tattoo design I've seen. Very cool idea about putting the Chinese Zodiac on there
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Whisper-of-Shadows In reply to Sipha [2006-11-06 19:25:18 +0000 UTC]
Yup yup, it will! A few people are sort of iffy on it, they're all, "You're not Chinese, you're as white as can be, so why do you wanna have Chinese gods on your back? POSER" buuuuuut it's my body, my design, my choice.
I think I might have to settle for only getting one or the other the first time around because even just the outline inks will be pricy. Eventually, I think I want to get all 4 celestial creatures (dragon, Feng Huang, the unicorn and the white tiger) so I can have a complete backpiece, but that'll take a lot of years and a lot of moolah...
Totally off track there, but I'm glad you like the concept!
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Megadee [2006-11-05 22:00:13 +0000 UTC]
this is really awesome the things i could even think of commenting on is of all the pictures and carving of phoenix ive seen they have 4 very long tail feathers alos chinese dragons have five toes i believe. but you are right about the phoenix and dragon representing yin and yang, from what ive found
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Whisper-of-Shadows In reply to Megadee [2006-11-05 22:08:26 +0000 UTC]
Really? I didn't know that about the tail feathers. I'm going to go back and do some more research on the matter, because it looks like I've missed out on quite a few things here. I'm pretty sure that they don't have 4 feathers though, because the number 4, when pronounced in Chinese, is very similar to the Chinese word for "death". At least, that's what I've been told and what I've researched. I think the Feng Huang has either 3, or 5 tail plumes, since there are 5 main colours in the Feng herself. I think the dragons only have 3 toes though. I'm failrly certain about that. Chinese have 3, Japanese have 4, and Western/European have 5. Thanks for pointing those things out though, I'm going to go back and research this a bit more now!
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NightsVayne [2006-11-05 21:30:01 +0000 UTC]
You know what is funny. In China, Seriyu (the blue dragon of water) has always warred with Suzaku (the red peacock of fire). I found it interesting
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Whisper-of-Shadows In reply to NightsVayne [2006-11-05 21:39:43 +0000 UTC]
Hmm, that is pretty interesting...I think I'm going to have to do a little more in depth research on this. I thought I'd covered it all, but turns out you've proved me wrong! Thanks for the tidbit!
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NightsVayne In reply to Whisper-of-Shadows [2006-11-05 21:54:53 +0000 UTC]
no problem. If you need help I can write soemthign out for you via note on dA
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Noriem [2006-11-05 21:05:07 +0000 UTC]
Woooowwwww, It's FANTASTIC!!!!!
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