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Description 2017.07.: disregard the text, it's quite outdated. Unless you don't mind reading outdated stuff~

A character that i made for roleplay on a specific website but... she is now pretty much plastered everywhere in my gallery...

(typographers, feel free to throw rotten tomatoes on me, i deserve it)

Fonts used: Elven Common Speak and Myriad Pro.
Paper texture by me.
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Eli1208 [2013-02-16 00:19:36 +0000 UTC]

I think i'm in love

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to Eli1208 [2013-02-20 23:45:50 +0000 UTC]

I'm glad you are but now that i see this thing i feel like i need to do something about the outdated textual info.

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Bhaltamos [2011-04-19 14:30:56 +0000 UTC]

Hahó !
Ezt de jól összedobtad... Csatlakozom pár előttem szólóhoz, mert én is megnézném, mit rejt a maszk. Bár így arc nélkül teljes a varázsa. Tetszik a leírás, bár angol tudásom még csak egy ideje csiszolódik, viszont a lényeget, nagyrészét megértettem. És tetszik az is, ahogy kinéz, bár irtózom a túl sok fehértől, de neki jól áll. Végül is, a Fehér Holló milyen legyen, ha nem fehér...?

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the-trash-guardian [2011-03-12 04:05:04 +0000 UTC]

I've fallen in love with her! She's a very interesting character, and she's pretty creepy

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pallanoph [2009-09-03 21:31:49 +0000 UTC]

I am really liking this character, design and all... it is unfortunate that I seem incapable of submitting any comments with "depth" in them, but I think I've said that before...

I do really enjoy that character description too, a very convincing sense of duality is present (in my opinion...) and I find that all the more appealing. Very reflective.

Well put together sheet, too!

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to pallanoph [2009-09-05 13:29:04 +0000 UTC]

You can't concentrate on everything, so i don't mind if you don't say anything "deep" about this.
Suddenly now that school started i cannot make a single comment that makes sense either.

Thanks.

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MarikBentusi [2009-09-02 20:00:57 +0000 UTC]

I hardly have ground for it, but for some reason my author avatar sense is tingling. Not in a bad way tho.

I like the overall character design and you already know I'm especially after the little details in both character and clothing. There are some minor contradictions, although they don't screw the whole character.
Permission to point it out in my typical style of quoting&commenting? I've been told today for the first time some people get annoyed by that style, so I'm asking in advance.

Thanks for sharing!

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to MarikBentusi [2009-09-02 23:58:43 +0000 UTC]

The personality was written together from opinions of people who hate me, people who are friends of mine and my own opinion on myself (even the height and weight are exactly mine). And i gave it a twist or two. u__u

You have my permission to point stuff out. I'm only... hmmm... "egoistic, rude, arrogant, oversensitive". I'm trying to somewhat contradict them all by accepting critique.
i usually fail but one day i'll win and that shall be a glorious day

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MarikBentusi In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2009-09-03 13:57:42 +0000 UTC]

I'm only... hmmm... "egoistic, rude, arrogant, oversensitive"
You are? Those characteristics never really were visible to me Oo Maybe I'm bad at "categorizing people"?

Okay, let's do this shite:

"No one has seen her without the mask, so noone can tell what she is thinking, or how does she feel"
[how about "or how she feels"?]
doesn't make much sense in combination with:
In stressful situations she almost never shows emotions, and in less or not stressful situations her emotions are all overdone and exaggerated.
So can you read her emotions or can you not? xD

"absolutely introversed"
I think you mean introverted. Which doesn't quite go with the showy outfit and "If she thinks her suspicions were right, 9/10 is the chance that she will choose offense over defense". Being usually introverted but easily being elicited out of this state because of such an incident would be acceptable, but it doesn't quite blend with the term "absolutely introverted".
I'm picky, sorry xP
She starts shaking if she has to hurt someone, so she always gives up on fights
In combination with offense>defense, this creates a really awkward situation in my mind. And this happens over and over again without her being able to "predict herself"?
For her defense [offense?] she has a rifle, a dagger and... kitchen knives
Do you know those little tests where you're given a row of things and have to select which of them doesn't fit? I'd mark the rifle here. I don't know in what period of time this is set (but since you 'let your char free', I suppose it can be anywhere), but rifle seems a bit off in comparison to the rest of the character composition.
Also, she doesn't look/sound like being skilled in firearms and the recoil and overheating would probably be too much for an underweight, untrained person. Think of the weight, too. Small knives on the other hand could be very well hidden in her clothing and are light-weight, too. Just ask these gentlemen .

She prefers talking in 3rd person and she never starts a conversation, only if it cannot be avoided. She doesn't like any form of socialization, she doesn't even let herself to be touched. She has a strong social phobia [...]
Even more to the surprise that she entertains people, which is bound to be a magnet for attraction and masses.
She is completely unable to talk to strangers.
Also, I wonder how she got the tattoos this way Homebrew? Artistic freedom?

She loves everything in the world
More like an ambivalent love-hate, taking into consideration her social phobia, great mistrust and and self-destructing (-destructive?) thoughts. So maybe the justice/forgiveness issue isn't the only duality. Social-phobia VS need-to-entertain-friends is another one for example.

but emotionally, she is still just a little child
A scarred little child if she has such psychological issues/instabilities. This isn't at least the normal train of thought you connect with "little child" imho.

[In General]
- What I'm still missing is something like a past before the White Raven we know/we've just read about, a bit of a backstory.
- If you got time, think about joining one of these OC tournaments.
- I think you forgot the pattern on her upper cloak in the last (right) full-body shot
- Also, does the buckle closest to her hand just end abruptly or is it really skin-tight? Do you see what I see? xD
- A load of questions I'd like to ask her but she most definitely wouldn't answer: "What do you do when you get sick and the illness doesn't go away by itself but gets worse every day?", "Do you like it when it's raining?", "Do you have a favorite season or a season with which you can associate with?", "Do you have a favorite time of the day (like night, dusk, morning) or a favorite kind of weather (storm, silence, clear skies)?", "Is noise from the streets annoying you much?" and as the last one "Was your nickname given to you or did you choose it for yourself?"

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to MarikBentusi [2009-09-03 16:33:02 +0000 UTC]

When even your own boyfriend tells you that you are egoistic and arrogant and oversensitive and rude, you have to be sure about all of it.
I don't think about myself like that, these qualities are subjective. Well i might agree on me being egoistic but i have a damn good reason to be it.

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"So can you read her emotions or can you not? xD" - No. Try reading a book that is written in reversed farsi. Only she knows (or not even herself) which expression of her means which emotion.
Also, she has a mask. That represents how false and incorrect and mixed up all of her emotions and epxressions are, not even she knows which expression of her means what. She's insane in the eye of the common person. Communication need two sides: giver and receiver. If she is the giver, she gives off information that the receiver can't translate correctly. You see the "overdone and exaggerated" expressions but the mere fact that they're overdone and exaggerated suggests that the expressions are not quite right.

The grammar correction has been done by someone, so that's unimportant. I only need to re-upload the file.

No, she *can* be absolutely introverted while being agressive while threatened. Defense by offense is a natural defense mechanism that all animals possess. Even turtles. They bite like hell if you don't leave them in peace inside their shell. Biting IS offensive. It's a 'final solution'. She feels threatened all day and night so no wonder she touches this final solution at the first sign of danger. That means being "hunted". -.__-.

I also wear clothes that stick out so that's no reason to remove the "absolutely" from before "introverted". Being introverted means you don't really care about the outside world. That does show in weird clothing habits. People who dress normally are afraid all the time "but what will they think of me if they see me?" or if they do not dress normally "woah i bet they'll love me in this sexy shit" Thats extraverted thinking.
She just wears these because of what she thinks about her own self.

The character is in a steampunk world. Which means 18-19th century. I said i can use her however i want, and if it's about me, i do not have to stick to some lowres character sheets. This sheet is mainly made for the RP which caused me to create her.

"In combination with offense>defense, this creates a really awkward situation in my mind."
That's the point.
I can have as many weapons as i'm able to buy but i couldn't use any of them. Their existence makes you feel safe, that's all to them. And to the rifle. Many harmless animals have threatening appearance for their defense. But if the others knew that it's only for display it'd ruin their defense, so i did not write into the text either. The fact that it's for display automatically comes from her personality. If she shakes? She then can't use it. But it's still for defense, the text says. So it must be for the mere "display" of "power".

"Even more to the surprise that she entertains people, which is bound to be a magnet for attraction and masses."
That's the point, yet again. If you are surprised, that's *kind of* the effect i wanted to deliver.

She can get tattooed if she really wants it, so i'd rather say it is an artistic freedom OF HER, that allows her to customize herself with outstanding "courage". That's how i am too.

Social phobia, mistrust and the likes of it are the effect of society that did not accept her style of love. She still loves them but in absolute fear and confusion. It's like being happily pregnant from a guy who hates you and your child, and most likely wants you to abort it.
No, she is asexual AND *probably* infertile too.

I never said she is dual in only one way.

"A scarred little child if she has such psychological issues/instabilities. This isn't at least the normal train of thought you connect with "little child" imho."

You are right, and no one said else. Not normal train of thought, because you can't judge an insane character with the normal train of thought. If i tell you she's like a little child, then she is. I didn't define my reason to call her a little child but i do have reason for it. Her characteristics are not linear, childishness does not come directly from any of the features i wrote. She has layers, just like... onions and... Shrek.


No backstory. Imagine something that matches her. OC tournaments: no.

I know i forgot the pattern. I also forgot the large sized BloodRaven's blood coming off from it's feet on the "8 Squiby Adoptables". And i will not correct any of the two but thanks. n__n

That buckle is perfectly fine, i have the same sized buckle on my left hand too and it's totally comfortable, even more than my watch.

Her character sheet is made like this because it lets the viewer imagine and solve the parts that "do not seem correct", on their own. You get a nice puzzle and you complete the picture if you wish. I gave you the pieces, do what you want with them.

"why would she has a rifle?" "she don't seem like she can use it" "oh maybe that's it, the creator gave it to her to make the OC look ridiculous" "then that means the character is quite a confused person" *lightbulb*
Sometimes the answer is right there. It also doesn't have to make sense for you.

She is not heroic, she is not strong, she is not normal. She is ridiculous. A helpless fool who is miraculously still alive. And my concept was to give a huge space for imagination, a place to subjectively judge her. So imagining on your own if she likes the rain or not is encouraged.
Not saying that you can't ask questions but what i did not write into the sheet might have seemed trivial to me. Such as her age or eye color.

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MarikBentusi In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2009-09-03 19:41:45 +0000 UTC]

Try reading a book that is written in reversed farsi.
Okay.
...
That was interesting! What's next?
~okay, seriously~
So what you're basically saying is that she speak a different "body language" and "emotion language" than normal people? Rather interesting, although I'm now even more interesting how such a defect can occur. I mean, laughing is world-widely accepted as an expression of happiness, it seems to go beyond usual language or cultures.

Defense by offense is a natural defense mechanism that all animals possess.
Sorry, I didn't realize you sticked with the term "offense is the best defense". You screw with my dear little words again you bastard Dx ()

Being introverted means you don't really care about the outside world.
Alright, another definition collision, I thought being introverted means to keep everything inside. Then extroverted would've been thinking out loud in an extreme case. Damnit. Now I have to look for a new word to express that. Any suggestions? What you described I simply called the I-don't-give-a-shit-attitude. C:

Haha, steampunk rocks .

"In combination with offense>defense, this creates a really awkward situation in my mind."
That's the point.
"I'LL ATTACK NAO... nuuu I'll run away instead.
OKAY NOW I'M GONNA... run again"
This is really intended? Great job

Their existence makes you feel safe, that's all to them.
I kind of feel this information would've been helpful on the sheet itself. Kind of like that double-body/emotion-languge thingie. But maybe I was just too stupid to figure that out from the text given.

And to the rifle. Many harmless animals have threatening appearance for their defense.
Ironically, the rifle seems to be a master of camouflage as I can't really see it on the picture. Not that helpful on a charsheet, just saying.

She can get tattooed if she really wants it, so i'd rather say it is an artistic freedom OF HER, that allows her to customize herself with outstanding "courage". That's how i am too.
Okay, I didn't exactly get that. Does that mean she partially abandoned her "social phobia" in order to go get a tattoo or did he overcome her own fears to tattoo herself (customize herself with outstanding "courage")? If it's like the first thought, that somewhat undermines the character again, making it even less consistent. If it's the second thought, I wonder from where she got instruments and skills.
But I bet I'm miles away again from the truth.

It's like being happily pregnant from a guy who hates you and your child, and most likely wants you to abort it.
That sounds more like mad/irrational/strong one-sided love.
No, she is asexual AND *probably* infertile too.
You really dislike sexuality, no?

I never said she is dual in only one way.
Yep, but in that paragraph you only talked about one "inner struggle".

If i tell you she's like a little child, then she is. I didn't define my reason to call her a little child but i do have reason for it.
Is it just me or do you play with words - or in this case phrases - again?
When you're writing down this character sheet, you have to know what effect the writings have on the reader. If you write the comparison "like a little child", you will most definitely create a certain cliché image in our hands, this is the power of symbolism. If you want to alter this image, I think you should write that instead of leaving this in the dark. This char sheet is supposed to be informative in the first place, isn't it? And don't you dare change the rules here ;D
It's like saying "This is water" and not writing "and by water I mean fire because in this world, someone rewrote the dictionaries. But I don't tell you that kukukuku". Get my point?

No backstory. Imagine something that matches her.
You're lazy. D: Telling the reader to think of such vast areas of the story crosses the borderline of interpretation.

And i will not correct any of the two but thanks. n__n
This is exactly why I love and take the time to write tall critiques.
Just joking

That buckle is perfectly fine, i have the same sized buckle on my left hand too and it's totally comfortable, even more than my watch.
Still looks to me like you forgot you draw a line, but whatever you say, Mrs. President .-.

I gave you the pieces, do what you want with them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but since when is that part of an informative sheet? That's part of a story. Didn't you want to create a difference or weren't you able to draw a line because you were too emotionally engaged with the character? :S

It also doesn't have to make sense for you.
I have to write this answer down. You can avert everything with this 8D

She is not heroic, she is not strong, she is not normal. She is ridiculous. A helpless fool who is miraculously still alive.
Well.

So imagining on your own if she likes the rain or not is encouraged.
Laaazy. At least to me, this doesn't make the character open for definition/imagination, but more like not thought out. Like you were just piling ingredients, then called it "cake" and tell us to imagine the taste :<
Okay, that was a bit harsh, but I didn't have a better example up my sleeve. But you can have this cookie I found in there!
If you imagine the taste :D
I can see from where you're coming, maybe this just isn't the kind of character-shaping I like - this is not about the content/character herself, just the way it is presented.

Not saying that you can't ask questions but what i did not write into the sheet might have seemed trivial to me. Such as her age or eye color.
Don't tell me the way the pattern on the cloak is shaped is any more important. Some call it detail. It makes the character three-dimensional and more lively, more "real" and creates the kind of immersion that chains at least me to books.

Thanks for taking the time to answer!

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to MarikBentusi [2009-09-04 04:37:53 +0000 UTC]

I've been to a psychologist because my bodylanguage and speech sucked (still does). The problem was that even though i thought i'm expressing myself right, i was wrong, and many people think that what i'm expressing is almost the opposite of what i'm trying to express.

...i never knew that psychologists have this "i-don't-give-a-shit" as definition.

Hmmm, maybe there're too many "female-thoughts" in the text and that's the problem.
The rifle is not on the sheet because 1, i figured she could have a rifle only after i filled all the free spaces, 2, the character sheet copies her camouflage stuff. It contains only the core of the character or something.

On tattoos: she went and asked for them. I guess. If you tell yourself that something is a matter of life and death, you'll have a bit more courage to begin action. Nnnno, she didn't feel like that i'm just telling you can lie about your emotions and goals to yourself in order to do the action.

"You really dislike sexuality, no?"
Maybe. But asexuality an infertility were chosen to her because they perfectly match her personality.

"Is it just me or do you play with words - or in this case phrases - again?"
I'm sort of a writer. :/
I will begin writing my novel in 2012 (yes when the world ends, geez). I already tried 4 times but it's just impossible while attending school & drawing shit.
I did give you minimal information, and i did think it will do the right effect. I'm not trying to sound mean but it seems to bother no one else than you. D:
By childlike i mean childlike. Innocent, likes to play, does not understand many things that seem obvious to adults, creative, has good imagination, cries without feeling bad for expressing sorrow, acts mean and childish when she wants something. Also sits in weird childish positions.

"You're lazy. D: Telling the reader to think of such vast areas of the story crosses the borderline of interpretation."
No i'm not. It's not the work of interpretation, it should be done by imagination. Interpretation is logical, imagination does not have to be. It's freedom. (that's why it crosses the "borderline" get it? lol nevermind)

"Still looks to me like you forgot you draw a line, but whatever you say, Mrs. President .-."
Then i just didn't have a live model for the buckle and that's why it seems sucky.

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but since when is that part of an informative sheet? That's part of a story. Didn't you want to create a difference or weren't you able to draw a line because you were too emotionally engaged with the character? :S"
It's informative to a certain degree. Even the lack of information is information. This time it makes a "wtf i don't understand her" situation. And that's good. It's the main ingredient for mysteriousness.
We are practically destroying that mysteriousness but it's awwwrigth.

So you say it's lame to make a character that can't crack walls, breathe fire and drive space-ships? I think being fragile adds a certain "feels like homebrew" taste to the character. You can't really relate to flawless superheroes because all living beings are "flawed" compared to them.

Thanks, i did imagine the taste. It was good.
Tha' rainbow's not real, wtf. D: . Yeah that's where i'm coming from. Then i guess you don't like character sheets that contain no text at all, and only one picture in them. Mostly me neither but i don't like them because minimalism is fucked up easily.

The pattern on her cloak holds meaning. And too much defined detail murders imagination and freedom. She's behind a mask for a reason... Asking for more details is like asking for her to remove it and that's a straight NO. -.-

...and now i'm off to school. =____=

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MarikBentusi In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2009-09-05 01:18:44 +0000 UTC]

...i never knew that psychologists have this "i-don't-give-a-shit" as definition.
I didn't either, I'm no psychologist, just a student.

Hmmm, maybe there're too many "female-thoughts" in the text and that's the problem.
I didn't read about handbags or nail polish tho.

2, the character sheet copies her camouflage stuff.
Wait, pure white is supposed to be camouflage?
It contains only the core of the character or something.
Understandable to a degree but doesn't fit with the insertion of detail shots of boots and hands.

On tattoos: she went and asked for them. I guess.
You're the author, your characters are your tools and puppets, not your children or friends. Or are they?

If you tell yourself that something is a matter of life and death, you'll have a bit more courage to begin action. Nnnno, she didn't feel like that i'm just telling you can lie about your emotions and goals to yourself in order to do the action.
You've got to have some sick manipulative control about your emotions to make your body produce substances to boost up for an adrenaline rush. And I don't think that's really realistic due to the already "messed-up" psychology given in the character description, it gives the feeling of the character being controlled, not in control. If she was in control, I don't think she would stand start shaking in fights and run away if she was able to control her emotions to this degree.
Also, I'm curious why a character would go through all the effort for a friggin tattoo. I mean I've heard of masters of body control being able to control their heartbeat to a degree, but that took years.
Sounds like artistic freedom to me.

But asexuality an infertility were chosen to her because they perfectly match her personality.
If you composed the character like that I'd like to ask what's with all the noble and pure, high-quality colors and fancy dress? Seriously, with a different personality (or even just changing the I-can't-fight-part?), this could be a Knight-Templar -villain. You know, people that do bad things in the name of holy things. Like mindless purge. With a bit of Batman's Joker/Bleach's Gin madness on the face. Pretty common in media nowadays.
I don't know, fitting her personality - and probably the low income because I've never heard of a rich entertainer/artist that wasn't working for the crown or something outside the modern "media age" - a more tattered, rough outfit would be better. Just my opinion.
I dare to ask: Artistic freedom? Or do you view the personality/character as especially pure and chose the colors that way? (I keep coming back to "pure" because you described the white this way in the category "Clothing:", just in case you're wondering)

I will begin writing my novel in 2012 (yes when the world ends, geez).
On purpose? Because I think that date is just stupid D: A year afterwards we'll discover another forgotten tribe's calendar and make the world's end happen next week. Why do people think such changes are sudden?
Anyway, I somewhat doubt our connection will last that long (people just seem to lose connections over time. At least I do), so good luck with that.

I already tried 4 times but it's just impossible while attending school & drawing shit.
It's a challenge. I don't know your schedule but I try to get all three things done, too. Weekends be blessed. I didn't upload anything real for months, but working on something again. Before, I was re-writing part of the story, around 300 A-4-pages. And afterwards I even had so many new ideas I wanted to re-write it again, but I have to stop myself somehow. :/
Anyways, that's off topic.

I did give you minimal information
Lots of it, I've rarely seen char sheets with less info. Am I still green?

I'm not trying to sound mean but it seems to bother no one else than you. D:
I don't know if I should take that in a "Why the #*?= do you care?"/"Stop digging holes and asking questions"-way or in a "why are you the only one interested in it in detail?"-way. I think my money's safer if I place it on the first option.

By childlike i mean childlike.
If you say "wizard" you can mean everything between Harry Potter and World of Warcraft. Most people however will first think of an old wise man with white long beard and silly head, so think about the associations your words are provoking.

Innocent
As innocent comes from a Latin word roughly meaning meaning "without harm done", I somewhat doubt this character is untouched by the cruelty of this world. Paranoia, social phobia, there's got to be a good reason a social animal behaves this way.
creative, has good imagination
People casually imagine things if they don't find a acceptable solution. They keep this behavior beyond childhood, but with education comes knowledge and thereby solutions that don't need to be imagined. So my point is, creativity and imagination aren't bound to children. Creativity is in fact what keeps evolution, life, the world going and children don't wear ties, if you know what I mean

"cries without feeling bad for expressing sorrow"
People rarely do. At least those I met up till now. But how "embarrassed" you are for expressing emotions depends on society and norms more than childishness in my opinion. You know, the good ol' "Boys don't cry" traditions

acts mean and childish when she wants something.
You "define" child with childish? Uh...
I can imagine a picture to this behavior. And a person any age.

Also sits in weird childish positions.
Oh .

"You're lazy. D: Telling the reader to think of such vast areas of the story crosses the borderline of interpretation."
No i'm not.
That's subjective.

Interpretation is logical, imagination does not have to be.
In this case, both means to take what you got and "continue the story" in your own way, so what's the big difference here?
It's freedom.
Depends on whether or not believe in your brain being a construct based on chemo-electrical carbon unit working under the laws of nature and logic and emotions simply being instruments in evolution that are logically called forth by certain situations.

"Still looks to me like you forgot you draw a line, but whatever you say, Mrs. President .-."
Then i just didn't have a live model for the buckle and that's why it seems sucky.
Ah, okay, I have to admit I didn't think of that as I only use models for scribble studies.

This time it makes a "wtf i don't understand her" situation. And that's good. And that's good. It's the main ingredient for mysteriousness.
Cut the text and you got the same effect, only more extreme. Pure genius, isn't it?
We are practically destroying that mysteriousness but it's awwwrigth.
I think it was already "destroyed" by looking at the the character's name and then your account name.

So you say it's lame to make a character that can't crack walls, breathe fire and drive space-ships?
I have no idea where that thought spawned from. The original discussion was about your character not being heroic because of the personality and I was linking to the article explicitly stating a type of hero willingly lacking common hero attitudes making them an anti-hero.
Also, to the contrast, character can be more interesting lacking strength and still kick ass. Compare "Badass Normal" . Or just Atticus. Hell, Atticus.

I think being fragile adds a certain "feels like homebrew" taste to the character.
Homebrew as in "closer to oneself"?

You can't really relate to flawless superheroes because all living beings are "flawed" compared to them.
People didn't want to hear about Hercules because they were able to identify with him. Guess why they did.
But of course, I'm sure you have heard about the big Mary Sue Discussions and can imagine my attitude to such characters.

Then i guess you don't like character sheets that contain no text at all, and only one picture in them. Mostly me neither but i don't like them because minimalism is fucked up easily.
Depends. Depends so much on the character.
If you got a story and your audience is now aware of the group of heroes, the antagonist fraction and the world/setting/innocent bystanders, what do you think their reaction would be to a totally different character that doesn't fit in any of the story's known categories of characters and all you get is one pic. One single pic of a "ghost", a character you maybe don't even know the name of.
Can create more character than text could do because the more you know about this oh-so-mysterious being, the less mysterious it gets. It's like finding out how the magic trick works.
However, those should be exceptions or only used for a very special sort of story if used more frequently. In general, I like more information for those who seek more information. Homeworld was a game that came with a bit of an ingame story and for nerdy nerds like me the manual was filled with detailed information about the backstory. That created immersion. A lot. A whole lot.
But maybe that's because I tend to write a lot myself (can you tell? *cough*), but it seems rather unavoidable if characters develop a lot and you can't simply say "Peter is a greedy person" because Peter changed his attitude multiple times on various occasions and effected his lifestyle greatly. As an example.

The pattern on her cloak holds meaning.
In fact, so much meaning and utter importance you forgot it on the profile shot and resist to correction.

And too much defined detail murders imagination and freedom.
You give us a pic. That's already taking away the liberties of visual imagination you get when reading a book. Movies take away the imagination of sound, too. Taste, feeling and smell have not been touched (widely) as far as I'm informed. So if you draw your character, you have to do it knowing that you lift some of the mystery. That's why there will be always people watching the film after the book and say "I totally didn't imagine it this way!"
I mean, you even went into detail and wrote how many rupees there are on the chest, what the mask is made of, how many steel buckles there are on the left glove...

She's behind a mask for a reason...
Masks have always been symbolic for hiding identity and emotions in mass media. In this case I'd say because of her emotional instability there is no such thing as a certain personality rather than the chaotic mix we see on the outside. Aside of that, mask usually displays distance to open society / exchange with parts of it. And mysteriousness. Although it's almost become an overused cliché.
Correct interpretation? Sorry, I mean possible imagination, of course.

Asking for more details is like asking for her to remove it and that's a straight NO. -.-
You know I'm gonna ask "Are you sure this is really a new character or just you in fancy clothes and a world you'd prefer to live in?" because you sound like saying "I'm not removing my mask, no"
I know the character is based off you, but if you don't intend on making it an Self Insertion, think about giving the character enough room to grow its own will, personality and "wings" in a metaphorical sense. Basing things off real persons is always easier than imagining a totally different one - or trying. In the words of the great Yahtzee : "The next thing you need to do is create your main character and since it's important to write what you know, the main character will obviously be you."

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to MarikBentusi [2009-09-05 03:21:31 +0000 UTC]

"Wait, pure white is supposed to be camouflage?"
You said camouflage first, not me.

"Understandable to a degree but doesn't fit with the insertion of detail shots of boots and hands."
So how would others draw the character if they didn't know the visible parts of the design perfectly?

"You're the author, your characters are your tools and puppets, not your children or friends. Or are they?"
Wtf are you asking. -.__-.

"On purpose? Because I think that date is just stupid D:"
That's when i finish with school. So it's the most intelligent date i ever could imagine, because it will be a gap year to me.

"Lots of it, I've rarely seen char sheets with less info. Am I still green?"
Green like woah. Visit a modern art exhibition and tell me my sheet contain less certain info than those 'ictures'.

Social phobia is not harmful to the world. She is this way to don't hurt anyone. If you don't express your rage to the world, you'll then hurt yourself if you are not a taoist or something (self-destructing thoughts).

"In fact, so much meaning and utter importance you forgot it on the profile shot and resist to correction."
Because i'm a piece of stubborn shit.

I have no patience during school. All i can say is that what you wrote are traditions and stereotypes and such things, but traditions are there to learn them then break them to tiny bits. Following the habits sucks. HELL, I SAY 1+1 is equal to 3, the sky is brown and i'm a blue alien who's always right. Because i can't deal with pressure during school.

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MarikBentusi In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2009-09-05 09:01:35 +0000 UTC]

"You said camouflage first, not me."
But it's in your quote, am I thick? D:

So how would others draw the character if they didn't know the visible parts of the design perfectly?
Imagination.

"You're the author, your characters are your tools and puppets, not your children or friends. Or are they?"
Wtf are you asking. -.__-.
Joke about how you get involved with the char.

Visit a modern art exhibition
naah, I don't see enough pull-factors D:
Surprises me they hang out char sheets. So I pretty much judged you by dA standards. Wait, this site got standards?

Social phobia is not harmful to the world.
I thought more about harm has been done to her. So you could say she was "touched by world's cruelty", which would explain her psychological mess.

Because i'm a piece of stubborn shit.
Exactly what I wanted to hear.
Wait...

I couldn't follow you on that last paragraph, sorry. The only thing I could drain out is that you believe that tropes are stereotypes. Which they aren't if you study the wiki closely and get a feeling of its structure and purpose.

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lakerose In reply to MarikBentusi [2009-10-19 21:22:14 +0000 UTC]

wow that was one long comment conversation.....

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MarikBentusi In reply to lakerose [2009-10-20 13:36:12 +0000 UTC]

...so?

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lakerose In reply to MarikBentusi [2009-10-20 16:09:29 +0000 UTC]

mm nothing!

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to MarikBentusi [2009-09-05 13:49:18 +0000 UTC]

""You're the author, your characters are your tools and puppets, not your children or friends. Or are they?"
Wtf are you asking. -.__-.
Joke about how you get involved with the char."

Then let me say: both. Tools, puppets, children, friends at once.

"Surprises me they hang out char sheets. So I pretty much judged you by dA standards. Wait, this site got standards?"

It's sort of an insult to judge by DA standards. Warn me when you next time judge by "DA standards", i'd like to ignore that sort of low comment.

"I thought more about harm has been done to her. So you could say she was "touched by world's cruelty", which would explain her psychological mess."

You wrote it under "innocent", but one CAN be innocent even if they are sick. The world touched her, you could say, but you don't start murdering newborn babies with poison if you saw it on the news. It just makes you sick (i hope). She didn't lose her innocence either. Being sick of the world is not equal to being guilty.

No thanks. Encyclopedia Dramatica is a better place to dig up knowledge. YARLY

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MarikBentusi In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2009-09-05 15:08:07 +0000 UTC]

It's sort of an insult to judge by DA standards. Warn me when you next time judge by "DA standards", i'd like to ignore that sort of low comment.
I think we're all no match for your awesome existence and you should be given your own nation of awesomeness. No, really, why are you still on dA? You disturb so much better than this cloaca filled with miserable artists and horrible members of the community. I can almost smell it through the LCD.
If you excuse me, I'm gonna punish myself now for even mentioning "you" and "dA" in the same sentence.

"She didn't lose her innocence either. Being sick of the world is not equal to being guilty."
I thought I already pointed out my definition on innocent (passively) and yours (actively) differ to the point discussion makes no sense.

"No thanks. Encyclopedia Dramatica is a better place to dig up knowledge. YARLY"
It's another troll playground like 4chan and the likes. Oo

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to MarikBentusi [2009-09-05 15:15:50 +0000 UTC]


DA's standard people: children who can't even draw straight lines. So shut up... -.__-.

Troll playgrounds are The Shit that keeps the Earth movin'

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MarikBentusi In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2009-09-05 16:59:14 +0000 UTC]

Why. So. Serious!?
Okay, that's it, I'm officially a bad person, I smile when you post a rageface.

dA's average could also be fanartists. Or camwhores. Or tracers. Or art-thieves. Or people that steadily develop, thank you for favs, study tutorials and do their homework. I have no statistics to set any of those stereotypes as a standard.

Disagreeing on the troll part.

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to MarikBentusi [2009-09-05 23:20:48 +0000 UTC]

...stress?

Trolls are doing it for the lulz. :U
That's a saint thing.

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MarikBentusi In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2009-09-06 05:33:01 +0000 UTC]

...stress?

I'm not gonna discuss troll-humor and whether I like it. But you're free to vote Mudkips on the poll below!

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to MarikBentusi [2009-09-06 17:58:53 +0000 UTC]

I guess i failed to accept critique again. C:
*headdesk*

NEXT TIME.

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Spiralchasm [2009-09-02 11:13:51 +0000 UTC]

She is such an interesting character, I can't wait to see more drawings with her from you.

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to Spiralchasm [2009-09-02 12:35:06 +0000 UTC]

I have some warm-up sketches about her. >.>
I'll upload a sketchdump thing later, there she'll be a few times.

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Spiralchasm In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2009-09-02 14:01:06 +0000 UTC]

I'm happy to hear that C;

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Spider-Naraku [2009-09-01 22:22:56 +0000 UTC]

Do we get to see her with out the mask? X)

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to Spider-Naraku [2009-09-02 01:46:56 +0000 UTC]

Nope. I didn't imagine her face. I think it adds to the concept of the character if it's up to the viewers to imagine her face.

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Spider-Naraku In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2009-09-02 01:50:09 +0000 UTC]

I can do that! *sits down and drools*
Lol!

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to Spider-Naraku [2009-09-02 01:58:46 +0000 UTC]

Lol, okay!

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Kamiruchan015 [2009-09-01 17:59:24 +0000 UTC]

Love her outfit....amazing work :3

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Dia-Dei [2009-09-01 17:17:16 +0000 UTC]

zsír

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Nospherato [2009-09-01 13:18:40 +0000 UTC]

b akker rohadtjo a karidizájnoooood O A O

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to Nospherato [2009-09-01 13:25:29 +0000 UTC]

Köszi! Ez az egy szívből jött.
Nem gondoltam, hogy valaha majd egy női karit jobban fogok szeretni mint a férfikaraktereim, de most megtörtént.

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Nospherato In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2009-09-01 16:40:29 +0000 UTC]

kajak? azta XD

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Jasumine [2009-09-01 12:56:32 +0000 UTC]

It's been a long while since i've come across a character as interesting as this. nicely done.

i can check grammar for you, though you don't have to draw me a free sketch for it lol.

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to Jasumine [2009-09-01 13:01:00 +0000 UTC]

REALLY? *__*
That would be awesome!

If you want i can give you just the text in .txt format, if you prefer. I would give you credit in the artist's comment of course!

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Jasumine In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2009-09-01 13:04:01 +0000 UTC]

Sure thing, just send me a note and i'll see what i can do.

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to Jasumine [2009-09-01 13:07:55 +0000 UTC]

I will love you forever. 8D

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Jasumine In reply to WhiteRaven90 [2009-09-01 13:10:12 +0000 UTC]

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Dragnerz [2009-09-01 12:52:30 +0000 UTC]

Neat ><

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Adorning [2009-09-01 12:50:56 +0000 UTC]

oah, nice. What RPing website is this? :3

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WhiteRaven90 In reply to Adorning [2009-09-01 12:59:02 +0000 UTC]

Ah it's not really RP, it's a website where you can adopt various creatures, but it has an ongoing fantasy plot and you can play in it. I like the story, the authors really put their hearts into it.
This is the site: [link]

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