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widjita In reply to ogenphotography [2009-09-29 01:55:28 +0000 UTC]

hehe Ia brow..disitu kurang rapih robah tone nya...blon sempet dibenerin.
Makasi banyak atas masukannya ya sob...

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widjita In reply to radiorusak [2009-09-27 17:23:53 +0000 UTC]

ooo I see a bull shit of you bro...kalo ga ngerti atau ga suka ga usah comment bro..

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radiorusak In reply to widjita [2009-09-28 18:21:09 +0000 UTC]

i tell u my another bullshit bro...
u should learn more about how to erasing(or other manipulation stuff) in photoshop
wkwkkww.....
then maybe someone like me.. would belive you


yeaah.. like i said.. thats my another bullshit


tp jgn salah om, i like your pict (not photo) wkkwkwkwkw......

ps: ttg gak usah komen, .... gimana gw gak komen, statement ttg no potomanipulation itu bikin gw gatel pengen komen ^_^

ps2: klo gak ngerti atau gak suka postingan gw, bisa di hide ko ^_^

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widjita In reply to radiorusak [2009-09-29 02:12:03 +0000 UTC]

daripada gw pusing jawabin nya gw hapus deh statement no photo manipulation nya..wkwkwkw

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ogenphotography In reply to widjita [2009-09-29 15:08:09 +0000 UTC]

yah beda presepsi aja huehuehue

mungkin bung radio terbiasa dgn regulasi kompetisi,...jadinya ubah warna pun termasuk foto manip

nah yg biasa di regulasi lomba2 foto, hanya diperbolehkan yg bisa dilakukan di darkroom....jadi ganti warna daun itu termasuk manip....jadi cmn salah paham ajah hue hue hue

yg penting fotonya buagus hehehe

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widjita In reply to radiorusak [2009-09-29 01:53:16 +0000 UTC]

Begini bro..disini ada ke tidak sepahaman tentang persepsi "photo manipulation"
Pengertian photo manipulation tuh sama dengan "olah digital" atau menempelkan objek lain terhadap photo tsb.
sedangkan foto gw cuma merubah tone warna saja. objek,burung dan background ,semua dilakukan hanya one shot.


Statement "bullsihit" aja dari anda yg bikin saya jg gatel..dan tidak ada bukti bahwa foto saya adalah "OLAH DIGITAL/Tempelan"

Erasing? termasuk photo manipulation? hahaha kagak lah bro..

Gw welcome semua komen dan kritik yg ada di forum, tp sebaiknya beri penjelasan yg baik sebelum memberi komen atau masukan.
bukan cuma nge yell pake kata2 kasar gak ada juntrungnya .

peace brow..

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Bluetenzauber In reply to zeechan [2009-09-11 20:36:38 +0000 UTC]

hmm ui wont be so mean but the first thing i noticed on this picture was the green background on the girls head ^_^ bizarre when u tell us it inst edited ...

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widjita In reply to rhezha [2009-03-28 00:18:03 +0000 UTC]

Thank you..

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DanielZrno In reply to juliadavis [2009-04-06 12:07:23 +0000 UTC]

I assume there is no manipulation with the pigeons, the scene.
However, the color is obviously manipulated on the upper part (can be noticed at the border between trees and grass too, especially since all the tall grass is green, and suddenly becomes brown when it reaches the treeline). It is stated in the description though, although with masked curves applied this much, it is far from being "not manipulated".

I like the author's work though, and seeing the talent I doubt the intention here is to 'cheat' in any way.

Though - to the author - please be careful when saying "no manipulation". Using curves even globally can totally turn the picture totally around, let alone using different curves/colors selectively on different parts of the image. I'd say that this *is* "manipulation" (the moment selective color change was used it became manipulation), but since you stated in the info that curves and selective color were applied I doubt you tried to hide something.

Still, please understand that any localized editing (or even serious global editing) is actually manipulation.

I guess the original has green trees, but that would make the background a bit dull?

(and please, widjita, don't take this comment the wrong way, I don't mind what you did, the photo is great and you said what you used, so I guess your intentions were good just please understand that any selective editing as extensive as this (changing the color of the trees) is far from "no manipulation")

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ubul In reply to DanielZrno [2009-05-07 11:50:32 +0000 UTC]

In my opinion, anything you can do with lightroom for example is not manipulation in a way deviantart categories state is.
I suppose non-destructive color and levels manipulation is allowed, even local ones as long as you don't cut and paste parts all over or from a different image.

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DanielZrno In reply to ubul [2009-05-17 11:03:11 +0000 UTC]

Not sure what can be done with lightroom (), but curves are extremely powerful. I guess it all comes down to - how much was the photo actually changed from it's original state.

Or - if I stood there that day, would this be the scene I saw?

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ubul In reply to DanielZrno [2009-05-18 06:38:37 +0000 UTC]

I suppose if you stood there, the scene would look very similar.
Maybe the author brought some colors significant to the scene more into focus than those of the background. Also lightening or darkening ranges of the histogram, but not putting anything in the scene that could not be seen by the eye. Using 3 light plus natural light can be pretty powerful. Much light equals quicker shutter speed which equals more depth of field plus freezing motion.
Some vignetting also emphasizes the viewer to focus on the subject.

So, yes, I think it was pretty much the same there and then.

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DanielZrno In reply to ubul [2009-05-19 13:42:04 +0000 UTC]

Nono, I'm not saying anything about histogram adjustment, vignetting, or the light. I understand why the subject 'ops out' and that's ok. That's technique.
The only thing I have an issue with is that the leaves on the trees are brown, whereas in reality they were just as green as the grass - which can be seen from the border of trees/grass, and especially in the areas on the left of her head (up until the hair), and to the right of her head (until the arm).
That, in what is only my opinion, is too much of a processing to say that there is 'no manip'.

However, every person has his own borderline on this, and I'm not asking others to adapt to mine

But then again, this is most certainly not what the viewer there would see, as the viewer would see green leaves, green trees, and an overall green green forest, which would've been a bit more dull than this pic

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ubul In reply to DanielZrno [2009-05-20 07:50:46 +0000 UTC]

You're right. Anyway, what matters most is what feeling it gives to the viewer. 99,9% of the pictures here have been manipulated to some degree.

Only the margin differs from person to person.
I'm not sure myself if using gradient filters that alter colors is fair or not. What if my mood dictates to shoot autumn leaves in the middle of july?
Dreamy pictures become more popular with new post processing techniques, I guess it gets more and more accepted over time.

This is what most people like. Sharp pictures with rich colors.

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DanielZrno In reply to ubul [2009-05-20 19:39:28 +0000 UTC]

Aye, no problem with that. I don't mind B&W or HDR either, which are arguably an even bigger manip

All's well, just as long as people are honest when asked... or secretive if they don't want to tell
(e.g. if someone paints a photorealistic painting, you respect his skill as a painter... if someone pulls out a dreamy out-of-this-world landscape with his camera, you respect his patience and skill as a photographer... but passing either as the other is trying to get respect where it is not deserved... and that pisses other artists in that area off
I'm going a bit off topic here though lol, just explaining why I want people to be honest when explaining how they got whatever they got.

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widjita In reply to dulkimso-photography [2009-02-27 16:46:42 +0000 UTC]

Makasi banyak sob..

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dulkimso-photography In reply to widjita [2009-02-27 17:33:28 +0000 UTC]

iya sama2..

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