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I know there's already another stamp like this but I wanted to make my own and so I can put this on my profile page. Plus mine won't include profanity in the description or other words I'm not comfortable having.But yes, I hate pornography. True it can be hard not to look at but it's not nice and it is degrading to people and I want no part in it. I not only don't want to see it but I also don't want to produce it either! And this includes cartoon pornography. Whether private parts are obvious or not, I would still rather not see it. Once you see stuff like that, it gets burned into your mind and is not something easily forgettable and can leave you feeling guilty, ashamed, and even worthless, and let's not forget dirty.
And not just people having sex but people in erotic poses, nude poses or other nudity, committing indecent exposure, and lewd acts including certain dancing.
When I say I hate pornography though, correct me if I'm wrong but this does not include some bathroom-using artwork, depending on the content, that I don't mind too much as long as they're kept clean and G or light PG rated and not too graphic. That means no gas-passing, no showing of bodily fluid, no bare-bottoms or other excessive skin showing, no people going to bathroom in the wrong places or intentionally missing the toilet and going on anything other than the toilet, unless the toilets are too far away to get to in time, or especially on anyone! And as I've said before, some kids cartoons actually do show that, it's not pornography to me, and why would they include that inside of kids cartoons if it was pornography? Now if the picture shows or talks about private parts, at least in a bad way, then it's pornography and I absolutely don't want to see it! I also do not want to see profanity in the picture or see people committing voyeurism. And no toilet jokes, keep it as clean as possible! But it is better not to see that!
This also does not include people in swimwear or people in their underwear although I'm not so comfortable with that kind of artwork, especially the underwear part. Swim suits I'm somewhat okay with as long as they're not revealing and I prefer to keep it to a minimum, and NO bikinis! I prefer such pictures were only of fictional characters, not real people even if real people don't mind it, I'd still rather not see it and don't feel too comfortable with that (if it's in TV shows and movies that's okay as long as there's no sexual intent behind it!)
Others may have different preferences or different views about this.
So please, keep all pornographic pictures away from me! I do not wish to see them, not even a little bit and I don't need that stuff in front of my eyes, much less in my memory, even if it's censored! I'm a happier and cleaner person without that garbage!
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ADDED September 26, 2018: If you're into pornography, please don't tell me that, I would prefer not to know if you were or not and it is absolutely none of my business! If you are and tell me, well first, thanks for sharing that and for being honest with me, I value honesty, however I am going to think twice before associating with you and I may not/ no longer be comfortable being in contact with you. I don't want to judge you, and I shouldn't it's not at all right for me to do that, and I understand people who are into pornography, but I need to be very wary of who I associate with and I want good influences. But please do not tell me that you like pornography, I'm much better off not knowing that! Tell me at your risk! I'd also rather not talk about this subject, you best talk to somebody else about it, this is something I'm not very comfortable talking to just anybody with.
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This is coming from a guy who gets his jollies from drawing little boys peeing in the restroom.
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At least I'm not Travis2018 or whatever he's called now, and I don't like tigerginas! Heck I hated that, that's why I didn't finish reading that fanfic he wrote! And I DON'T associate with Travis anymore, in fact I blocked him on fanfiction.net and ordered that he stop using my fanart for his fanfiction. And I regret ever having anything to do with him!
And at least I don't write stories about circumcision (although I am a firm supporter of circumcision and I'm not ashamed of that) and I don't write stories of boys losing their private parts, I think that's creepy and disturbing and heart-breaking!) And at least I don't include the word "penis" or any other genital words in my stories or artwork, nor do I even use euphamisms for such body parts, I use the actual word or "private part(s)" but other than that I don't include that in any of my fanfiction!
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What?
What do you mean?
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I think you have me confused with you, buckaroo
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Excuse me, with all the respect I owe you, that was a long time ago, I haven't made any pictures like that in a long time and since that time and I would have drawn adults, including admittedly aged up cartoon characters, going to the bathroom too.
Yes, I admit I drew that picture of Timmy going to the bathroom standing up, and I admit I was going to make some more pictures like that of other cartoon characters. But at least I didn't draw any penises (I'd rather use that word than use street words and euphemisms) nor did I draw any urine (both of those things are forbidden on Deviant Art and even if they weren't I still wouldn't have done that.) Further more at least I didn't draw the cartoon character going to the bathroom where he shouldn't have or drawing him committing indecent exposure/ flashing himself in front of others, and I didn't draw his bare bottom, even I think that's over the top. And I also didn't draw him peeing on anyone or anything he shouldn't have, not even to put out a fire, and I also didn't draw him passing gas while peeing, I don't like that! And I didn't draw him using profanity or talking about sex. In fact at least I didn't draw him masturbating or having sex with anyone, two more things I would NEVER do! I don't draw people having sex, that's absolutely inappropriate and that would get me kicked off of Deviant Art!
And let me tell you again, I didn't mean for it to be inappropriate and I so did not mean for it to be pornographic, I don't believe in pornography it was supposed to be just a simple picture of someone going to the bathroom, and I tried to keep it as appropriate as possible. And further more I did not mean to give anyone the impression I was a pedophile, I AM NOT A PEDOPHILE! If I'd known that would have made people think that about me I wouldn't have done that! I also didn't know it was wrong to draw even fictional children going to the bathroom, even if I had the best of intentions, and believe me or not, I did mean well. And I never would have drawn a picture of a real person, child or adult, going to the bathroom, that I know isn't nice at all, I would have only drawn cartoon characters doing that and that's it and beside cartoon characters, including underage cartoon characters are shown going to the bathroom standing up even in some kids cartoons, like The Loud House, and that doesn't bother me, I would have done that too if I was a cartoonist.
Plus as bad as my picture may have been, there are worse and more inappropriate pictures than the one I made, pictures even I think are disgusting, some a whole lot more inappropriate than what I made, including 1) pictures of urine showing; 2) people urinating with their rear ends showing; 3) people urinating on each other or in the wrong places; 4) talking about each other's private parts or looking at each other's private parts; 5) pictures with sexual jokes in them and other dirty jokes and profanity; 6) females shown urinating like males do; and 7) genitals actually showing. Those are just a few examples but I never would have drawn any bathroom-using pictures like the seven I listed and more, and there are lots of pictures like that including in Google Images and even on Deviant Art, I wanted my pictures to be more appropriate than the majority of the ones I've seen! One person also drew Timmy using the bathroom but did something I wouldn't have done, he drew Timmy peeing in the bushes, because the actual bathroom was locked, and with his bare bottom showing and posted it on DA. And he drew the Rugrats going to the bathroom too and other pictures of naked cartoon characters, also something I'd never do! (I don't like seeing anyone, not even Timmy Turner or any other cartoon character butt-naked and I'm not a fan of bare-skinned artwork!) His DA account is deactivated though and I don't know where he is.
In fact there are other deviant artists that have drawn kids going to the bathroom, like Yakko from Animaniacs going, or the Gangreen Gang from the Powerpuff Girls, or Ed, Edd, N Eddy, but they didn't get called out for it, at least not in the comments.
You'll be happy to know that I won't be making anymore pictures like it, although I will not deny I was going to make more bathroom-using pictures of cartoon characters, and again I would have drawn adult cartoon characters going too and I was going to keep it G to light PG-rated. And you want to know why I took my picture down? Because I had people gang up on me leaving negative comments on my picture and talking badly about me on other websites. I tried to ignore them, because I thought that was just their opinion and I was not about to let anyone stand in my way, but by what they were saying, I thought maybe they were right. I was under so much pressure to take down my picture, which I did not want to do, but I just couldn't take the pressure or the consequences and took my picture down. Not only that but I even deleted it from my computer and I ripped up the hand-drawing I made and threw it in the trash, and then decided not to make anymore pictures like that. I also did it because I decided my reputation was too important. Plus I did not want to be seen as a dirty person or a pervert and especially not a pedophile, but that's how many people took it. And I will be straight with you, I did not completely agree with those people, and I still don't, and I wish they'd ignored my picture and minded their business, I would have done that if I saw a picture I didn't like. If I saw a picture I didn't like, I would have just ignored it and not confronted the artist, if I did I would have been confronted back and cussed at, so I mind my own business.
And I told my mother what I did and she was very very stern with me about it (I only told her in case she found out through the grapevine and I was afraid I would end up on the news for it.) And she ordered me not to make anymore pictures like that and I'm not going to anymore, even if they are G to light PG rated, and I haven't made any since then.
Looking back though, I shouldn't have drawn Timmy as a ten-year-old going to the bathroom, him or any other under-age cartoon character, if I drew him as an adult or drew other adults, be them canon adults or aged up children going maybe I wouldn't have gotten in as much trouble and I now know that was not a good idea. But it doesn't matter anymore, I'm not making anymore pictures like it regardless of how old the character is and regardless of if the person is real or fictional.
So I don't deny what I did, I admit I did what I did, and again I did not mean to offend anyone or cause anyone to think bad things about me and I was not trying to make any pornographic pictures and I didn't mean to make a picture of pedophilia, nor did my picture promote it, I don't believe in pedophilia or pornography. And there are bathroom-using pictures even I don't want to see! And I hope you read the description and the comments below. And I am a cleaner person than you're giving me credit for, you and lots of other people.
You don't have to agree with me, although I hope you will a little, but if you want to/ insist on continue/ing to think I'm a pedophile or a sick person or to think bad things about me, I cannot stop you and I cannot control what you do, but that's your problem, not mine, same with others. I admitted my wrongs but if that's not enough for you, I'm not sure what else to say. I don't care if you don't like me, you don't have to, and I don't care if you don't want to be friends with me, in fact I would prefer you weren't, but if you disrespect me, insult me, be rude to me and what not, I will block you, end of discussion. I don't care what you think of me, that's your decision, but I don't have to put up with any mean, rude, and disrespectful things you say or do to me!
I hope I wasn't too mean to you. And unless you have anything else to say, have a good rest of your day.
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Look, in no way did I assume you were a pedophile, in no way would I care if you were, and in no way is it wrong to draw timmy going to the bathroom. My point isn't that timmy going to the bathroom in a drawing is wrong, because it isn't wrong. My point is that you're calling out pornography by saying it's "demeaning" inherently, by saying how it's wrong because it makes you feel "guilty, ashamed, worthless, and dirty", and yet the same can be said about what you've drawn, and what you're interested in, sexually or otherwise. (although I've never had a drawing make me feel "worthless" or "guilty")
Part of being on the internet is understanding people like different things, and learning to be more objective, and learning not to care too much about things you don't like, or find disgusting, because there are people that like them.
(of course, actual moral wrongdoings are perfectly unjustifiable, i.e. cruelty to animals, repeated and unfounded harrasment, harrasing somebody for useless reasons like race or sexual preference, etc. and are definitely ok to critique)
The point is, if you don't like pornography, that's fine, if it makes you uncomfortable, that's fine, but making a banner and description implies that it's wrong, that you're against it, which is unfounded, because there isn't anything wrong with it. Some people need pornography, some people are interested in things that others aren't, pornography is a way for others to enjoy themselves where they otherwise couldn't in real life.
That's like if I made a banner that said "I hate fat people" and said that
"fat people are disgusting" and "they make me feel uncomfortable". Being fat isn't wrong, and it's not a crime, just because I don't think overweight people are attractive, and I don't like seeing them doesn't mean it's wrong, and I most certainly won't make a banner declaring how gross I think they are, because that would be disrespectful to them, and hypocritical, as I'm not too attractive myself.
Being "clean" is not needed, and it's okay for some people to be "dirty", just because you don't like it doesn't mean you should go around saying something is wrong when it's not. You may believe it is, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with pornography in and of itself, and nothing wrong with liking it.
There is a european saying, "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.", it means one who is vulnerable to criticism should not criticize others.
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Gonna try to be as assertive and humble but still firm about this as I can because I don't like to fight or argue with anyone, and I mean "anyone." I may not still soften you up but I want a clean conscience and I hate being mean to anyone. It's not easy not to be but it's well worth it.
Look, in no way did I assume you were a pedophile, in no way would I care if you were, and in no way is it wrong to draw timmy going to the bathroom. My point isn't that timmy going to the bathroom in a drawing is wrong, because it isn't wrong. My point is that you're calling out pornography by saying it's "demeaning" inherently, by saying how it's wrong because it makes you feel "guilty, ashamed, worthless, and dirty", and yet the same can be said about what you've drawn, and what you're interested in, sexually or otherwise. (although I've never had a drawing make me feel "worthless" or "guilty")
Okay, I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that I thought you though I was a pedophile, I really am. It's just that lots of other people thought/ assumed I was and I didn't like that at all that people thought that about me, and I'm not trying to go to prison over that or something as stupid as that nor do I want the FBI after me for it! And it wasn't right of me to throw a bucket of water over something that wasn't on fire, in other words, it was wrong of me to assume you thought I was a pedophile when you didn't if I did assume so and it's not polite to put words in other people's mouths! And I'm just very paranoid about how others feel about me now because of that picture I drew, pictures I admittedly planned to draw similar to that, but it's still not right of me to assume you think something about me! so again, I'm sorry I came to that conclusion about you.
Truth be told, unlike lots of other people, I don't personally care if people are pedophiles either, that is as long as they're not planning to act on that feeling because it is hurtful and illegal and children are affected by it and will be till their dying day. Well, I should care if people are or not because that is wrong whether people want to think it is or not. I have relatives that were molested as a children and some of them are still living with it and they have less compassion for pedophiles than I do and I can see why! One of the molesters is dead now and they are still not missed or forgiven by their victims and can I blame them? I don't know what it's like to be molested but if I was, maybe I wouldn't have forgiven them either depending on the situation or my personality, then again maybe I would have but I'm yet to hear of a molested person forgiving their molester. And although I don't care if people have feelings for children, I do care what they do with it and I do care what they do to children and how they affect them, and that doesn't mean I approve of it. Do any of you reading this see what I'm trying to say? I DO care about children and what happens to them. I wasn't molested as a child but I was abused as a child.
Granted, pedophilia is something almost everyone takes very seriously, some more than others and it is unforgivable to billions of people (I'm not one of them though, I can and would forgive pedophiles, that's just me! Not all things are that easy to forgive but I can be a forgiving person, after all I would want others to forgive me!)
Furthermore, I also don't personally care if people are gay, or have gay feelings, or are any part of LGBTQ that is not my place to judge! People feel the way they feel, and I don't see everything in black and white, I see many things in shades of gray, and I'd want others to do the same for me although I know not everyone will. But my point is, some things don't affect me like they affect others and I'm not here to dictate what others do and how others feel, I am not the ruler of this universe and I never will be and I have no authority over how others live their lives. I mean I have my own set of rules, standards, opinions, and preferences like everyone else and I like things done a certain way and things not done a certain way, but I cannot control what others do and I generally don't want to as I don't want to be controlled by anyone else.
I do appreciate you not calling me out for drawing Timmy going to the bathroom and telling me it isn't wrong. It's just that lots of other people who saw it did, and I can see why, and even parts of me think it's wrong too, but not all of me, I'm not against cartoon characters going to the bathroom, although and I will be honest with you, I PREFER to see male cartoon characters standing to urinate than see anyone of either gender sitting on the toilet going number one or number 2, that's against what I prefer, even if others like it or are okay with it. I mean I don't care if cartoon characters (or real people) sit on the toilet and go number 2, I've accepted that (I didn't always like that and I still have some trouble with that and it's not something I like to think about, but it's part of life and that's how we were made, but just as long as I, my eyes, don't see it! Do I like or enjoy going number 2? NO! Especially not in public restrooms, I suffer from parcopresisu en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parcopre… and prefer doing that in my own home. But it's better than holding it in and risking getting super sick and then dying. And how else are we supposed to get rid of what we ingested? Going number 1 is more fun and more interesting, but can be annoying at times especially if you have to do it every 5 to 30 minutes and when you have to get out of bed just to do it, one reason why I don't drink tea that much! I don't like everything about life but I didn't make this world and I didn't create life and lots of what goes on is not my decision! I would have done some things differently (making food disintigrate and disappear after it's done everything it needed to do) but again I'm not in charge of this universe or anything else in it and I never will be. And I think y'all should be glad I'm not in charge, I'm imperfect and flawed and don't know best! And I was talking to my therapist earlier today about this!
But lots of others did call me out for it and I've had trolls, sJWs and others attack and confront me for it and I've been talked negatively about on other websites (I'd rather not talk about some of it right now,) and I'm still affected by it and messed up from it, although much of what they said about me is just their opinion and those people mean nothing to me! If they don't like me that's their decision, as I said I'm not here to be liked or to make friends, although I'm not here to intentionally make enemies either but I know not everyone is going to like me and so what if they don't? Nobody is liked by everyone. And if they don't like the way I am and think negatively about me, especially insistantly, that's their problem, I cannot keep letting what others think about me stop me or hinder me or dictate what I do and how I live my life. And I cannot keep living up to other people's opinions, nor should I try to force anyone to live by mine! Notwithstanding this, sometimes I do, well we all do, have to do what's best for others and put others ahead of ourselves and I hate being seen as selfish, and don't like being selfish either.
But to be honest I'd rather see cartoon characters stand to urinate, if they're male, than see them using the bathroom otherwise. I won't always see that but that's my personal preference. But not everyone is going to understand this and others will be quick to judge me about this and again I cannot stop them (but before you, and I mean anyone reading this, judge me, think about what others might judge you for! I'm no better than you and you're no better than me!)
Part of being on the internet is understanding people like different things, and learning to be more objective, and learning not to care too much about things you don't like, or find disgusting, because there are people that like them.
I agree with that, at least the "understanding people like different things part." You're absolutely right. I like different things too. And I too am working on trying to understand others. I wasn't always like this but now I'm trying to. Is it easy? No. But I've learned to treat others the way I want to be treated and that's what I'm trying to do, and I'm still having to work on that.
I like things lots of other people don't like and care about things lots of other people don't care about (such as railroad crossings especially the gated ones, electricity towers and poles, strobe-lighted fire alarms, etc.) and am not into many things lots of people are or might be interested in. I'm a different kind of person and I'm not ashamed of it, I used to be but some of that is because of what others said or thought and many people, not just some, many people are not very nice or understanding. And I don't like things just because their popular, I like things because I do, and I like some unpopular things, including once again , and I don't give a rabbit's tongue what others think about me liking this cartoon character. If they hate me for it fine they can hate me for it but they're NEVER gonna change my mind about that or anything else I like. But I do respect other people's opinions, at least I try to and it's not always easy to do!
(of course, actual moral wrongdoings are perfectly unjustifiable, i.e. cruelty to animals, repeated and unfounded harrasment, harrasing somebody for useless reasons like race or sexual preference, etc. and are definitely ok to critique)
I agree with that too. I hate cruelty to animals myself and I too hate harrassment. I wish I could say I wan't guilty of those things but I cannot and I'm ashamed to say I am. When I was a kid I was mean to my cats, and I'm regretting that now. I saw others do it but that's no excuse and now I get angry when I see others hurting animals, including their pets. And I've been guilty of harrassing others, including former friends and I didn't like that they weren't my friends anymore and wanted them back. But now I can understand why they don't want to be my friends anymore and that they wouldn't want to be bothered with me, and some of them weren't right for me anyway, no probably about it, at least not all of it! And I also hate harassing people for their race, sexual orientation, religion, political views, etc.
The point is, if you don't like pornography, that's fine, if it makes you uncomfortable, that's fine, but making a banner and description implies that it's wrong, that you're against it, which is unfounded, because there isn't anything wrong with it. Some people need pornography, some people are interested in things that others aren't, pornography is a way for others to enjoy themselves where they otherwise couldn't in real life.
I'm actually not the first to make that. I didn't want to mention this but this is somebody else's
. I would have just used that one but I wanted one that was less explicit. To my shame, I was exposed to pornography as a child and I'm still affected by it. And I admit I did like some of it, some of it but deep down I now know it was wrong. And even I get tempted to look at it now and then. But if I do, I will feel dirrty, have a guilty conscience, feel like a hypocrite and suffer other unwanted consequences! I don't like what porn does to me! (Please don't confront the person who made that stamp!)
I cannot say I agree with you on pornography not being wrong nor can I say I agree with people needing it, but I'm not here to make you agree with me, you and I are not on the same page about all this, but I cannot change how you feel or what you think anymore than anyone else can. But I can understand why and how some people would be into pornography. I cannot condone or approve of it but I do understand.
That's like if I made a banner that said "I hate fat people" and said that
"fat people are disgusting" and "they make me feel uncomfortable". Being fat isn't wrong, and it's not a crime, just because I don't think overweight people are attractive, and I don't like seeing them doesn't mean it's wrong, and I most certainly won't make a banner declaring how gross I think they are, because that would be disrespectful to them, and hypocritical, as I'm not too attractive myself.
You're right about that too. I'm not into fatness, I don't want to be fat myself, but notwithstanding this I do want to and try to respect people who are. When I was a baby I was fat myself! Admittedly some people look good fat, not me though, I want to be thin, but not too thin! I do get curious as to what they'd be like if they were thinner but I'm not against fat people and I don't dislike people just because their fat, that's extremely rude and that's just as bad as disliking someone for being a certain race, being from a certain country, being a certain religion, or having a disability (speaking more on race, we were made to be different races be it black, white, red, brown, yellow, etc, if everyone was the same race it would be boring, and I don't want to only be with people of my own race, which I'm still not telling anyone!) But you're right, it's no crime to be overweight. I prefer everyone was less than overweight but again I have no say in how others are, you are what you are, and I cannot dislike someone just for being fat. I have friends and loved ones that are fat. What I also don't like is people telling me to gain weight but a few years ago I was underweight and it caused me problems, I was down to 129 pounds and I'm 5'11".
I'm not attractive either. Heck I'm amazed some people even like me, there even some that cannot stand not having me although there are many that cannot stand me and wish I didn't exist, which is hurtful, although sometimes even I hate myself, or don't like myself. I've even had times I myself wanted to die (because of depression, anxiety, feelings of worthlessness, etc.) and I can still feel that way at times! And I don't like everything about myself. But unlike other people, I cannot run from myself! And not only am I not attractive either, I admit I'm a boring person and I'm not always fun or easy to be around, why do you think I'm asocial? That and I too have trouble being around others and I usually like to keep to myself. And again I've had people walk out on me and again I understand why now, and I admittedly don't intend to change everything about myself! (Well WillM3LuvTrains, THAT's YOUR OWN FAULT!!!) Okay yes it is but do you HAVE to rub it in???
Being "clean" is not needed, and it's okay for some people to be "dirty", just because you don't like it doesn't mean you should go around saying something is wrong when it's not. You may believe it is, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with pornography in and of itself, and nothing wrong with liking it.
Again I cannot say I agree with that, I believe being clean is needed. We're not going to be clean all the time, and we cannot expect to be perfect. I'm not perfect, you're not perfect, nobody is perfect, and we're never going to be in this world. And I don't expect anyone to be perfect, nor would I appreciate it if anyone expected me to be. I cannot expect myself to be perfect, and I've tried!
Again, we're not going to agree on all things. I agree with some of what you said but not all of it. And I don't expect you to agree with me on everything I said either. I cannot make anyone agree with me on anything nor can anyone make me agree with them on anything! If people want to be into pornography, that's their decision, they have to live with themselves just like I have to live with myself. And I do understand people who are into pornography, and again I admit even I get tempted to look at it, but that doesn't mean I can condone it! (And PLEAsE, DON'T encourage me to look at pornography or act on what I believe is wrong!)
There is a european saying, "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.", it means one who is vulnerable to criticism should not criticize others.
Yeah! I admit I cannot handle criticism all that well either and I don't like to criticize others, sometimes I do but it doesn't feel good to do. Again, I try to be a "Treat others the way you want to be treated" kind of person. I fall short of it but that's what I'm aiming to do and I do want to be a better person, at least in some areas of my life, some things I'm admittedly not ready to change right now.
so again, you're right, I agree! I guess I live in a glass house myself.
Know this, although I'm not trying to be friends with you and don't plan to be, I do want to respect you. I don't hate you and I never will, even if you hate me, whether you do or not I cannot say and I don't want to put words in your mouth, that too is rude and disrespectful and I don't like it when people do that to me! But I don't hate you, I have absolutely no right or reason to, nor do I have the desire to hate you, hating others is not my thing. I don't like everybody but I don't hate anybody and I don't desire any to die/ drop dead, that's not my place! And not all of what you say, even the parts I think you're right about, are easy to agree with.
Much of this wasn't easy to say, and I probably shared more than I should have (and I'm not going to share everything about myself because it's personal and not anyone's business, just like what others do is NOT my business.) I may not be perfect but that doesn't mean I cannot be good/better, I still have a lot of work to do on myself and this is a job I'm never gonna be done with.
The stamp stays though, I'm not taking it down unless I want to.
I am sorry if I seemed like a jerk to you and I am truly sorry if I seemed nasty to you and if much of what I told you wasn't what you wanted to hear (same to any of you happening to read this!) I did want to be nice to you and I did want to show that I am understanding, I had no intention of being mean to you or to anyone else, I HATE being mean, I was raised to be nice to others and to respect others and refuse to be mean to other people, and I never good when I'm mean to others and I never want to feel good about it either! And I never meant to rub you or anyone else the wrong way, I never mean to do that. How you react to me, to what I've said and what I do is how you react. You don't have to like me but I hope you'll at least respect me, and that's what I plan and aim to do for you.
There may have been other things I wanted to say or meant to say but cannot remember right now and it probably won't come to me until later, and again I probably went overboard with what I said. But this message has gotten too long already!
Any rebuttal? Otherwise thanks for stopping by (and indirectly helping me to speak and open up a little) and have a great rest of your day sir. 
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okay, now were getting somewhere
I'm not gonna make you take down the banner, it can stay, but,
Riddle me this, how is it wrong? What makes pornography unjust, or immoral?
It is important that "wrong" be defined by a true immoral act, not just something disliked, because then anything could be wrong. There has to be a true reason for something being wrong, or it isn't, or the world would have strange morals.
Some examples...
Stealing: One selfishly steals things owned by others, at their expense, which causes great, monetary loss, for personal gain alone, and the object may be irreplacable. Therefore, I feel stealing is wrong, and I will not do it.
But,
Stealing from the rich, to give to the poor: Here, the rich are reciveing only minor discomfort, and it won't make a difference monetarily, whereas the poor could pretty much be saved, and have great happiness and prosperity. I won't do it, but if someone does, it makes no difference to me, and isn't immoral, as it does little harm, and a lot of good.
Killing: Hurts the one being killed, cuts their gift of life short, but also ruins the lives of family and friends, leaving a painful grieving scar for the rest of their life, causing horrible discomfort for a really long time, all to feel better. Horribly immoral, therefore, I will not do it.
Pornography: The people who are involved choose to be, they take maybe an hour of their time out, barring travel, unless it's homemade, and get paid, unless it's just for fun, in which case, they love doing that kind of thing, and it makes them happy to be appreciated. Viewers are really happy, websites make money, and are happy, nobody is upset. Camgirls get paid to sit there and do almost nothing for donations and compliments for days.
My only question is, how is this wrong? What immoral injustice is happening?
(of course, this is not including specific situations, bad contracts, etc, that could be associated with anything, movie making, music, etc. I'm looking for specific things that make pornography inherently wrong in and of itself)
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I agree that stealing is wrong. Again something I've done myself and another thing I'm ashamed of and now know and understand the seriousness of. Plus I know what it's like to have things stolen from me, that hurts. I mean yeah it's a material possession and things can be replaced but that's not the point, it's still impolite and disrespectful to steal.
Personally I believe all stealing is wrong even from rich people and even by poor people, but again this is my view of this. I mean I don't mind watching Robin Hood but I don't condone any kind of stealing and I would never do that to anyone even if they were rich and even if they were corrupt people who don't deserve that much money, or any of it at all!
Oh yeah I totally agree with you on murder, thankfully I've never killed anyone in my life. The only thing I kill are bugs, and one time I killed a lizard when I was 7 and I still feel bad about that! I did try to save on lizard out of my sink garbage disposal so he wouldn't drown and it was a challenge because when I pulled him by the tail he broke from it. But I was determined not only not to kill him but to save him. Eventually I got him out alive although he wasn't very cooperative and I took him outside. Also I don't kill all bugs unless they're bees or mosquitos and if they're in my house. But any bug I find in my house I try to grab lightly and escort back outside.
But hate murder, even of people who don't deserve it.And again I don't feel it's in my place to decide who dies, I respect life, especially human life, one human life is more precious than all the gold, silver, diamonds, and what not in this world.
Now as for the whole pornography thing being wrong, are you really sure you want to know? I can give the answer but you may not agree with it. so are you sure you want to know?
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"Personally I believe all stealing is wrong even from rich people and even by poor people, but again this is my view of this."
That's my point, wrong isn't a view, and it cannot be. That's why people think being gay is wrong, because it's their view being taken as fact. Whether something is wrong can be debated, but once again, wrong is not "how you see it" wrong is "how something affects others, a good weighing of the scale of good/bad". Someone should come to the same conclusion, in theory. They can propose that things be added to the scale, but not read the results as they see fit, for the scale has an answer.
Yes, I do want the answer, or I wouldn't have asked.
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You asked for this.
Now I won't tell you to stop using pornography or tell you how to stop, it's your decision if you use it or not, but I'm going to tell you why pornography is wrong, from what I've read and some of my personal experiences with it.
Pornography is very harmful, it is like a drug, not only is it addictive but it damages you mentally. It's like a cigarette, only it doesn't damage your lungs, it damages your brain. And once you start, it's very to super difficult to stop! And even if you try to stop, even immediately, you will still have the urge to go back. (I mean you can stop it and it's worth it if you do but you'll still suffer the consequences. If you don't stop though, it will only get worse just like a fire that you put off trying to put out, it will grow and take longer to extinguish!)
Pornography messes up how you (not you personally, anyone) view sex, how you should view it, and how you view other people, can even cause you to disrespect other people, and ruin your self respect! It can also cause you to feel worthless, to isolate yourself from others, to be selfish, reduce your productivity in other things, especially things you're supposed to do, and can even cause suicidal feelings among other things.
What is more, when you use pornography, it affects your relationships with other people and how others view you. For one, it will cause some others to think negatively about you, to not trust you, and to draw people away from you and not want to be around you. They may even feel like they don't have to respect you, even though in reality they have to (and we have to respect EVERYBODY, we cannot choose who we respect, but not everybody feels that way, I didn't always feel that way.) And some people will judge you, something else we do not have the authority to do!
Use of pornography also messes up families. It can ruin marriages and lead to divorce. It also affects children of such parents or children born from those marriages, and you know how hard divorce is on children!
Furthermore, and I don't know what your religious views are (do tell if you want to) and how you'll take this, but it affects your relationship with God, the creator of life and the universe snd all good things in it! Believe it or not, God hates pornography and not because he is prudish about sex. In fact God created sex, which I believe the Bible teaches should ONLY be between a man and a woman who are married. God created our sexual powers and purposed that marriage mates use them for the sake of pleasing one another, drawing close emotionally, and sharing the wonder of bringing children into the world.
Pornography corrupts both people who use it and those who produce it. And people who produce pornography do not have your best interest at heart, or mine. They may think they're doing you a favor but in reality their hurting you and themselves and hurting people who are related to or associated with people who use pornography, including marriage mates.
That is all I'll say about that for now. For more information, these are some articles I found on jw.org, which is a website run by Jehovah's Witnesses. You don't have to click on them but it would help if you did, this is where I got some of my information. If you don't click on these, I'm not sure what else to tell you.
Pornography- Harmless or Toxic? www.jw.org/en/publications/mag…
Why Reject Pornography? www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/…
The Harm Pornography Causes. www.jw.org/en/publications/mag…
Other articles. www.jw.org/en/search/?q=Pornog…
I don't know how you are going to take this and it makes no difference to me how you and others do, but I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and you probably knew this about me already. But that is one of the reasons I hate pornography and want no part in it, not merely because of religious belief but because Jehovah, that's God's name according to Psalm 83:18, hates pornography, and I DON'T want to displease him, especially not on purpose! I hate displeasing Jehovah. That's also the reasons why I believe what I believe and I will not change for you or anyone else!
No I'm still not perfect, no I'm not better than anyone else, I'm still human and still suffer the same things other humans suffer and I too have my temptations and weaknesses as does everyone regardless of their religious backgrounds and beliefs. But as Jehovah's Witnesses we try to live by what the Bible teaches and our teachings are based strictly on the Bible.
And I'm not trying to convert you, that's not part of my religion like some believe, I just share my beliefs and its up to others whether they listen or not.
Now I'm gonna be quiet for now and let you talk before I say anything else, except for this, I'm not here to argue with anyone, including you. You have the floor now.
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"Pornography is very harmful, it is like a drug, not only is it addictive but it damages you mentally. It's like a cigarette, only it doesn't damage your lungs, it damages your brain. And once you start, it's very to super difficult to stop! And even if you try to stop, even immediately, you will still have the urge to go back. (I mean you can stop it and it's worth it if you do but you'll still suffer the consequences. If you don't stop though, it will only get worse just like a fire that you put off trying to put out, it will grow and take longer to extinguish!)"
First of all, it is not harmful, and does not rot your brain. Just because someone has the urge to do it, which is a trait shared by addictive drugs, does not mean it causes any harm to your brain. There is not, and there never will be, any true basis in scientific fact of pornography "rotting your brain".
In fact, regular ejaculation can help save your life, according to this study from Harvard, which states that men who ejaculate regularly have an average 33% less risk of prostate cancer. www.health.harvard.edu/blog/do…
"Pornography messes up how you (not you personally, anyone) view sex, how you should view it, and how you view other people..."
How anyone views sex is entirely up to them, they get to decide when, how, and why they do it with somebody. Only a child would have their entire view of sex changed from one pornographic piece of material. Most people aren't incredibly impressionable. One pornographic film will not change the way people in general are viewed by somebody, you'd have to be really sheltered and impressionable. If porn makes you lose self respect, that is entirely your fault, it is called "self respect" for a reason, it's up to you how you view yourself, and if porn changes that, you are the one with the problem, not porn. Porn has no link to selfishness whatsoever, and you have no facts to back this up. Literally any hobby could make you lose interest in important things, or distract you. Once again, you becoming distracted is your fault, not the fault of porn, the same could be said about video games, or drawing, etc. On the subject of porn making you suicidal, I really doubt those two things even have a vague connection.
"What is more, when you use pornography, it affects your relationships with other people and how others view you..."
Porn will most certainly not cause distrust in others inherently. Distrust is entirely up to which people you're talking about. Most of my friends watch porn, and even the ones who don't would never think differently of me, and don't, it's a perfectly normal thing to do. I have plenty of people who know I do and want to be around me, whether they or I watch porn or not, it makes not difference. We do have the right to judge, it is how we choose what people we want to be around, and how we decide things. If we could not judge, we wouldn't be able to make any decisions.
"Use of pornography also messes up families..."
Firstly, there is no correlation between pornography and divorce, divorce happens for many different reasons, and it isn't hard on every kid. Every situation is different, and porn does most certainly not end marriages. My parents divorce wan't hard for me, my father wasn't a great person, to say the least, so my mother kicked him out, and we are all happier for it. No correlation to pornography.
"Furthermore, and I don't know what your religious views are..."
Why would god hate pornography? It relaxes me, helps me concentrate, clears my anxious head, and helps me to be kinder to other people, because it clears my stress. If I'm nicer to others, then they are happy, and I am, all because of pornography.
Surely the all loving, all knowing, and all powerful god can see that it does nothing but good for many?
Do you want to know what causes anxiety, stress, and suicidal tendencies, when it does? Because people like Jehova's Witnesses brainwash people into thinking it is wrong, causing a hell of a lot of stress, when it isn't needed. These people feel guilty, worthless, sad, upset, and hate themselves because they are told that pornography is evil, and that they are bad for liking it, which is what makes them feel that way, not the porn itself. That is like telling somebody that going to sleep is wrong, simply because it's tempting. These people anger me, because they take a bunch of innocent people, and use the bible to make them feel like criminals for no reason. They are the ones hurting people, destroying friendships, marriages, etc, by not helping people understand that porn is ok, and normal. The bible is not a source.
It is not like "crack cocaine" as this website, with no facts to back it up would like you to believe.
If god is all knowing, all powerful, then he won't care about ritualistic things, or sacred acts, as long as everyone is happy. God cannot be both all knowing, and ignorant, it isn't possible. God cannot love all men, and hate the harmless temptations he gave us. God cannot be all knowing, and a hypocrite. Just because something is tempting, does not make it evil, as they would have you believe. I feel sorry for anyone who had this crammed into their head from childhood, who knows no different, and has a skewed perception of the world. It hurts to know people are being hurt mentally in this way, and taught to hurt others. God's own people are hurting people. I can not be smarter than god, he must think even smarter, and more objective than I, not angry, and greedy for worship and loyalty. Loyalty and morals should come from compassion for others and for god, not fear of hell.
The bible portrays god as mean, hypocritical, and evil, but says he is really loving. It is a shame it is taken so seriously, and is the true cause behind this discomfort, this hatred, this sadness, and self loathing. I hope more people realize this and think things over logically. I'm religious, but I have created my own, for I know it is impossible for there to be an infalliable lord that continuously makes mistakes, such is portrayed in the bible. Those websites are biased propaganda, I can assure you none of those things are true.
(one example,
The bible says that Murder and Abortion is wrong, because it is taking a life.
but it also says it is ok for god to drown all but two of every animal for no reason, and everything else when he could have just removed the sinners, and mistakes, since it takes him no effort, for he is all powerful. Before you say it is no place to ask questions, we were given free will to question and think, to make the world a better place, lets us not fear the gifts god gave us.)
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Okay BrandoTG, I said as much as I could to you. And I do appreciate your honesty with me, and I answered the best way I could but we're still not on the same page about all this.
If you want to continue viewing pornography, be my guest, again I cannot control how you live your life and I cannot convince you otherwise of things, and again I wasn't trying to change your beliefs. But I cannot agree with much of what you said (except for murder and abortion being wrong, that I happen to agree with!)
But I think I'm done here, I've said all I could.
Now I don't mean to be rude but I'm gonna be straight with you: I don't think you and I should talk to each other anymore, I would prefer as of right now, you and I no longer contact each other. Not because of our disagreements but, and no offense to you, but I don't find you a good associate for me or a good influence on me and especially with your view of Jehovah's Witnesses, which I respect but I don't want to be around someone who has a negative view of us. And I don't want to get into fights or arguments with you or with anyone else, it's just not worth my time or physical and emotional energy. Plus I have better things to do with my time and have other people who have better use for me and that need me, and I don't want to waste anymore of my time! And it's obvious I'm not right for you, for all I know I probably never was!
so, let's not talk to each other anymore. I won't block you, at least not this time, although if you want to block me go ahead, I don't care, but I'm done! If you hate me, good, hate me, although no matter what you do I'll never hate you! Thank you for your time and I wish you nothing but peace, agape love, and the best!
That goes for you too !
I'm moving on. Good bye!
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Well, it's not what I say, it's what Jehovah God says. He made us and the universe and therefore has the right to decide what we do and don't. I mean he gave us free will, he doesn't force us to do things, it's up to us whether we listen to him or not.
It's fine if it doesn't apply to you, I didn't expect you to agree with this and I cannot and don't expect anyone else to either, but it applies to me! But I respect your view on pornography, I cannot dictate how you feel about it. I cannot condone it but I cannot and don't want to dictate your life, you have the right to decide how you live and what you do.
Since what I shared with you and virtually anyone else doesn't apply to you, I have nothing more to say to you! I've said all I could.
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I don't believe in human philosophy. But thanks for sharing anyway.
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I loathe it too. And the word itself makes me feel uncomfortable a lot. I have watched a lot of disturbing NSFW works and it makes me vomit. Oh god.. Characters getting raped pics are the worst.
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How is pornography good?
I mean if that's what you believe, that's what you believe but I cannot agree with you on that.
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Okay then.
To each one his. Not gonna judge! (not my place to do anyway.)
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Yeah!
I made this after seeing a picture of Clyde having sex with Lincoln (I won't say how and don't nobody else say it either please!) and that made me sick and made me cry too. (2nd person: UH, OKAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!!) And it was posted on DA too, thankfully it's gone and the user's account was suspended and I NEVER want to see that or anything like that again! It almost killed The Loud House for me too!
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I'm sorry for you... I feel sick when I hear that word or watch it. I hate saying that word.
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Not to be rude but I didn't want to know that! That was absolutely none of my business!
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Stand up for your beliefs. Also, "don't want to produce it"....you should only be making art you feel comfortable with.
A couple of questions. Would this swimwear be better? (Pavonian swimdresses, especially when out of water, not much is seen.)
Also, in some cartoons, especially in older Japanese stuff, is the occasional flash of one's undergarments considered borderline, or not? (Until recently, in Japan, flash of a girl's underpants wasn't seen as dirty, but something innocent, or occasionally laughter fuel. Certain Miyazaki works even have tons of it, including the pre-Ghibli "Panda Go Panda")
Also, what's your view on sleepwear? Better not seen, or ok as long as it's not see-through or skimpy or "sexy"? Like what's your view on PJs and onesies? How about traditional nightgowns and nightshirts? (not the type that are really short, or see-through, or have holes in the wrong places)
Just curious, that's all.
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Hi there Raakone!
I needed to look closer at the picture and think for a moment before I could answer your question.
Looking at your picture, it doesn't look too questionable. I mean her breasts look like they're a little too pumped out, well I don't know how to say it right. At least her breasts are completely covered and that I do like, but perhaps a little over-sized. I'm not too offended by it though and the picture isn't bad. Well actually I just looked at the picture again and it's not all too bad and I guess when I saw it the first time I had a bad view of it but now I think the picture is okay, for the most part.
As regards to sleepwear, I don't mind that as long as you cannot see through it and the privates are not pushing through it too much or at all. I'm okay with nightgowns too although to me they look better on females than on males. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION THOUGH, males can wear night-gowns. John from Disney's Peter Pan wore such a thing. So did Alvin and the Chipmunk's neighbor in the 1950s cartoon "The Alvin Show" in the first episode. And Stinky from Hey Arnold once wore a night-gown or something like that in the episode about the Headless Cabby, which I don't watch anymore due to it being ghost-like although there was no real ghost in it (I also avoid episodes like the one about the Ghost Bride, Wheezin' Ed, "Sid The Vampire Slayer," and even the one about Engine 25. I'm saying all that just to let you know.) Getting back on subject...
I will have to get back with you on some more of this. And what are onesies? I'd look it up myself but I'd rather you show me so I know for sure. I haven't given any thought on nightshirts... unless that's what males wear, not night-gowns and that's only for girls. Some correction may be needed on this as I may have gotten some of this wrong!
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "occasional flash of one's undergarments considered borderline," especially the "borderline" part. I tried looking up the meaning of that and while I may have some idea, I'm still confused about the meaning, maybe because I'm tired right now. I'll tell you this much, I'm less comfortable with seeing female's underwear than I am seeing male's underwear (this is not a homosexuality thing, but you know how boys and girls have separate bathrooms, lockerooms, and dressing rooms? Basically there are some things I'm a little more comfortable doing with people my gender than with people the opposite. For example, admittedly I'm more comfortable seeing other males, including fictional, use the bathroom than I am seeing females (including fictional) use the bathroom. In fact if I know what you mean by "borderline," I am "borderline" about bathroom situations or bathroom-using situations, I don't mind it as long as it doesn't get too graphic as I said above. I was going to draw bathroom-using pictures, and I admittedly did once, I meant no harm by it and it wasn't meant to be pornographic but some SJWs came after me for it so I don't do that anymore. Admittedly it was of a ten-year-old boy, Timmy Turner, using the bathroom... that's what some of them went after me for. Looking back on that now, if I was to do that, maybe it would have been better if I drew him aged up or drew his father instead, or in addition to him, or even Cosmo, who's not a kid. Yeah looking back, now I know that wasn't such a good idea! Here's the picture fairlyoddfanon.wikia.com/wiki/… Yes, I'm responsible for that picture, not gonna lie, I did that. Other than the fact that that was a kid, that's how I prefer bathroom-using pictures/scenes. Was going to do more like it admittedly with other cartoon characters but after getting slammed by SJWs, and because of my reputation, and although I meant absolutely no harm, I decided to cancel future artwork of that altogether. So I don't make bathroom-using pictures anymore, even if they're clean or intended to be clean.
As for making only artwork I'm comfortable making, I haven't had much of a problem with people asking me to draw inappropriate pictures. I mean one person kept asking me to draw bathroom using pictures I was not comfortable doing and I had to tell that person "NO." But other than that, it hasn't been much of a problem, I don't have a lot of people asking me to draw dirty pictures or other questionable pictures.
So anyway, before I answer your question on onesies and the whole "borderline" thing, I need some more information from you so I can answer more. Otherwise, I hope I was able to help and sorry if I didn't answer all your questions well.
And thanks for taking the time to look at this.
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Hey there.
Thanks for your opinion on that work I had commissioned. It's not those old-fashioned swimsuits with attached skirts, it is....dresses made for swimming (although here they're out of the water)
I understand what you mean. As for nightgowns and nightshirts on men, well....until sometime in the 17th century, most men and women wore the same thing to bed, a nightgown, the only difference being that women may have feminine embellishments (typically lace). Then, more styles existed, but.....poorer people of both genders wore the nightgown/nightshirt also as an undergarment during the day (and they were typically white or off-white) The men's version were in three lengths, nightshirts, longer ones being nightgowns, and the longest (floor-length) being called nightrobes (nothing like bathrobes of today) at least that's their general English names. Pyjamas/Pajamas only started appearing really in the 18th century, because of the United Kingdom conquering India, "Pajama" meant the loose pants traditionally worn in some parts of that country, especially in the north. In the early 20th century, men were divided on whether they slept in PJs or nightshirts (and I'm sure some decided based on the weather), but in the 1930's, a movie, "It Happened One Night", starring Clark Gable, who was kind of the Brad Pitt of the day, played, and it had an iconic scene where both the guy he played, and his sweetheart, changed into 2-piece PJs (no, no nudity involved), and as every man wanted to be Gable, and every woman wanted to date Gable, men's nightshirts fell out of style. But they are still available, even if harder to find, I sleep in men's nightshirts myself, it's more comfortable, but these are clearly marked as "men's" nightshirts (but nowadays, shorter, plainer (as opposed to secy/lacey) nightgowns for girls and women may be called "nightshirts", also.)
One of my characters kind of always wears nightshirts, even during the day....although you could call them "beltless tunics" if you want....."Kerenge" Also, that Pavonian Boy I showed you is basically wearing a kind of...boy's skirt, but it's part of his culture.
Onesie? It's a one-piece PJ, at one time it was mostly babies and young children who wore them, and Onesie is technically a trademark, but much like Kleenex and Popsicle, it's sometimes used generically. Versions of the onesie with animal features are called "Kigurumi" in Japan, and sometimes worn by cosplayers.
Borderline? Means that it's "around" or "almost"....such as borderline unstable, and I've heard the term "borderline nudity" or even "borderline pornography" used when talking about people in skimpy swimwear, or in undergarments, in pictures.
Due to the usual way the genders are dressed, except when played for laughs, you'll typically see more flashes of girls'/women's underpants than men's (but in some shows that showed some boy/man from another culture in some kind of skirt-like or robe-like garment, you may see a generic white brief underneath, unless intended for humor, in which case, goofy boxer)
Thanks for the link to that picture.
Also, SJWs can be annoying. I know someone else here, mickeyelric11 who's had some of his art taken down because of them. In his case, it was an "innocent" flash of a girl's underpants, but in context (the wind in one) While wanting to protect actual children from sickos is a noble cause, SJWs believing that either his stuff, or your picture for that matter, cause people to turn into sickos like werewolves looking at the full moon is a bit much, yet the SJW have a "witch hunt" mentality, and we all know how well witch hunts work (spoiler alert: they don't)
But also, stuff has shifted, in terms of what it's acceptable to show, in some regards. Certain older cartoon characters, most notably Little Lulu, and Minnie Mouse, at one time were also showing what was under their dresses, yet people saw it as "innocent", if someone made a new character like that nowadays, they'd be burned at the stake (metaphorically speaking, that is) But suggesting that the SJWs are over-reacting is sometimes seen as....touching a third rail. Another term for you....often used in politics, a "third rail" is an issue or thing that can't be touched, because an actual third rail, found in subways, is usually at least 600 volts
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