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Hello and Welcome to my DBZ Controversy Meme. Here I'll discuss the things I like and Dislike about the franchise...to an extent. So without further ado let's get started.
Favorite Character: Future Trunks.
Out of all the DBZ characters in the franchise, I noticed that Future Trunks feels...honestly the most human out of the characters, he actually feels more relatable than almost any of the characters in the franchise. Can't really think of anyone who does honestly. Not to mention he feels more heroic than either Goku or Vegeta who on many occasions have caused a lot of avoidable destruction and, case and points such as Vegeta letting Cell absorb 18, Goku giving Cell a Senzu Bean...yeah not the most heroic guys ever, only reason they got away with it was because they were stronger than Trunks.
But Regardless Future Trunks, even if he's not on the same level as his father nor Goku, he's still one badass character, heck I wouldn't have minded a spin-off series revolving around Future Trunks and his timeline. Sure we saw it's destruction in Super but...that was just a BS Ending and as such I shall pretend it never happened.
Future Trunks is a character who didn't really grow on me at first but eventually he's become my favorite character in the franchise, but like with most every character in DBZ, he's got shoved off to the sidelines thanks to the astounding levels of Popularity of Goku and Vegeta with everyone else outside of the gods no longer being relevant anymore. (Sigh) Oh well what can ya do. NEXT!
Least Favorite Character: Zeno King.
(Takes a deep breath and exhales.) I...cannot stand...this character, he's such an annoying little piece of shit that has a shitty design, a shitty voice, a shitty personality and overall is a shitty character whose only purpose is to serve as a way to erase mistakes (IE Zamasu) or be the main reason we're even having the Survival Arc. God Toriyama I knew DBS would have some rather annoying aspects about it but you just Had to add in this blue piece of shit, what's worse is you couldn't just leave it at one, NOW THERE ARE TWO OF THEM!!! DAMN YOU TORIYAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Favorite Saga: The Saiyan Saga.
What's not to like about it? It basically opened up the world of Dragon Ball Z and gave us more insight to this interesting, albeit at times annoying universe that millions love, if not for that it'd probably not be where it is today...although given some of the fanbrats I question if that's a good thing.
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Least Favorite Saga: The Great Saiyaman Saga.
I'll be honest, I never saw this particular saga but from I have it's served no real purpose other than to just introduce us to Videl and have her and Gohan cosplay as Kamen Rider Rejects. Not a terrible saga, but not one that did much other than act as filler.
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Most Overrated Character: Goku & Goku Black.
It's no surprise Goku is the most overrated character, not saying I hate him for it no not at all he's still a cool character and I can understand the appeal...it'd be nice if the show learned to give other characters more time to shine other than help Goku attain some shitty recolor of a transformation.
Goku Black...not really my favorite character but he's not terrible...much. He could have been more interesting outside of just being a possessed body of Goku. But yeah he's rather overrated. Not as much as Goku but enough that it's rather annoying.
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Most Underrated Character/s: Yamcha & Tien.
Now to be honest...I don't give two shits about Yamcha, he's a character I really can't bring myself to like or really even see why he's that great. If you like him that's fine but for me...his personality and overall character are just unappealing to me.
Tien however is a different story, he's a cool character with three eyes...what's not to like. XD Sure he's in The Survival Arc and has proven he's no slouch, but I still can't be feel he's underrated...same goes for pretty much anyone in the series whose names don't start with a G or V.
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Favorite DBZ Movies: Pretty much all of them. XD NEXT!
Least Favorite DBZ Movie: Bio-Broly...this don't need no explanation. NEXT!
Favorite DBZ Villain: Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan.
Okay truth be told, Broly's probably my favorite character in DBZ Period, sure there's Future Trunks whose one of my favorites along with Android 21 & Vegito, but in all honesty Broly's my favorite out of all of them. I only put him in the Villains box cause he's still a villain.
My major complaints with him are basically his reasons for hating Goku and the lack of any real character development, sure it was a movie and he was meant to just be a movie villain with no connection to canon up until Kale showed up in Super.
But one of the biggest reasons I like Broly is because to me, he comes off as a Tragic Character. From Day One of this character life was against him, as an infant he was stabbed and thrown in the trash along with his barely alive father. Next he starts to loose control of his powers which forces his father to mind control him and then all those years of built up rage and anger and madness and power was unleashed in what's safe to say my favorite transformation scene ever, right above the SSJ4 transformation infact.
Overall Broly to me is a tragic character who could have had far more potential outside of a hulking monster who wanted to kill Goku, hell if things had gone different he could have changed sides if he had his own Saga...doubtful but you never know.
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Least Favorite Villain: Captain Ginyu...and The Ginyu Force.
I just never cared for Ginyu or his lackeys, their annoying and blatant Power Ranger ripoffs, which yes I know Toriyama made them that way but that doesn't excuse the fact that I hate the Ginyu Force. Nuff Said.
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Favorite Transformation: Super Saiyan 4.
Super Saiyan 4 along with the Legendary Super Saiyan Forms are my favorite out of any of the forms shown in DBZ or DBS...certainly better than DBS that's for sure, course we'll get to that shortly.
Super Saiyan 4 just looks and feels...godly. It actually feels more like what I assume a God form for Saiyans would look like...instead of what we got.
But yeah, SSJ4 is my favorite, it looks and feels powerful and it's honestly just a form that fits the saiyans perfectly...which is the exact opposite of the form I'm about to discuss now.
Least Favorite Transformation: Super Saiyan God.
Keep in mind I also don't care for any of the god forms shown in Super, that includes SSGSS and even the UI forms while not a transformation, they still feel lack luster.
The Super Saiyan God form is...terrible, it's a shitty recolor, same with Super Saiyan Blue. Their fucking recolors that provided nice power ups but other than that there's Nothing good about these forms at all, their designs suck, they serve only to bring in new viewers who will all probably agree or already have agreed that these transformations are just powerful recolors...recolors I'm pretty sure I saw on the internet long before DBS was even a thing.
I get Toriyama wanted to go for a more simple design rather than SSJ4 and I can understand that, sometimes Simple is good...Not in this case, when I look at SSG and SSB all I see are recolors. Just recolors and that really ruins the DBS for me. Everyone else get's really excited when these forms show up but when I see them it reminds me of how LAZY the show's gotten.
SSG is just a younger, skinnier Goku, SSB is just SSJ with Blue Hair.
At least Ultra Instinct feels...a tad more original, Not a lot, but certainly more so than SSG or SSB.
Overall I feel these forms are ill suited for Saiyans, I feel that these forms would be more fitting for say if the Human characters had their own God forms, while SSJ4 SHOULD have been the God forms that many people were drawing fanart of prior to Battle of Gods.
But not much can be done about it now, this shitty recolor shave risen to high levels of popularity and I doubt they'll introduce what a Saiyan God should ACTUALLY look like. Oh well what can ya do.
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So that was my Controversy on Dragon Ball Z. What did ya think? Do you agree or disagree with some or all of what I said. Lemme know down in the comments.
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There's a lot of things I love about the Dragon Ball series, but at the same time plenty I can see why you don't like.
Trunks is another one of my favorites. I've grown to love him since DBZ (which I love most) and I'm glad he returned in DBS in the Goku Black Saga.
You know I certainly don't like Zeno. Rotten deity brat. Boo!
I love a lot of Sagas, especially the ones we see in the beginning. It's always good to relive them all over again.
The Saiyaman I guess was boring, but it leads to the exciting Buu Saga.
Broly is an awesome villain and I love the 1st movie. It was so thrilling because of how powerfully frightening Broly was. That was cool. I never saw Bio-Broly but I'm guessing it's probably for the best not to watch it.
Yamcha never really does it for me myself, but I do wish Tien had a better role. He is a cool character. I like him.
I like and respect your choices. That's what matters to you. 
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You bet I do.
Feel free to ask me on anything. No wrong answers here.
Once again also, the way you find time to do all this still blows my mind.
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I have a lot of time on my hands and currently don't have a job so that's why. XD
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you mother fucker, you want to say Bio Broly is the least favorite movie? Listen here you son of a bitch, I thought you were cool thinking Tien was underrated but after that you lost me... you took what was special between the two of us... and tore it into bio shreds.
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No clue if your just fucking around or are serious, either way. XDDD Hilarious.
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Fun fact: SSJ God was the least favourite.
Look:
www.deviantart.com/boogeyboy1/…
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Zeno seems to be a Dragon Ball Super fanboys personification. Everything that ruins cool shit gets erased and stuff fans want to see, even if it makes no sense and goes against the rules, Zeno bends it. I wouldn't be bad if it wasn't done all the time in advantage of the heroes and some of the characters like Champa or Roshi possibly going against the rules with what they did. At least in the manga, Champa took the risk because 1. it wasn't planned ahead and 2. it was a gamble he had to win because he would be erased regardless if Zeno doesn't like it or having no fusion at all.
We like Broly for similar reasons I see. I kinda like the irony that Goku, as a low class Saiyan had a much better life compared to other low class Saiyan while Broly had power rivaling Elites and was treated like crap even during his adulthood. The sequel was kinda disappointing tho. I kinda get what they were going with him shouting Kakarot all the time (at least I assume they wanted to show that he is mentally scared from losing to Goku) but meh...
I don't dislike the Ginyu Force but I feel them being gag characters just doesn't work for me, someone who came from Dragon Ball to Z. It feels poorly done and they can be removed without losing anything of substance from the story. It is the same reason I can't enjoy the Saiyaman sub-arc of the Majin Buu Saga which itself I consider an average arc.
I honestly hate all recolors of Super but my opinion on each one shifts because sometimes I feel one is more damaging to the franchise than the other at times. Like SSJG and SSJGSSJ suppose to work the opposite way like SSJG having some kind of time limit and burn stanima like hell while SSJGSSJ should not drain stamina because it is about perfect ki control too and the entire point why Goku could beat Frieza in the terrible FnF saga or movie.
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Anyway i see you like SSJ4 (like i do)
I hated the fact that Bardock SSJ4 in DBH is barechested! As i recall, the new pants and whirst bands (sp) are made to censor the saiyans' naked body (don't ask me why the saiyans don't get just boxer shorts instead), so why Bardock who has a saiyan armor on him when he went Golden great ape loses his upper armor?
And we still have to see female SSJ4, will Pan/Note will keep their clothes intact/get a magical bra or have their breasts (yeah Pan doesn't have them since she's 10/11) covered in fur? As for Selypa/Gine i hope they will make them with their armors intact
Returning to Golden oozaru, i wonder how Gogeta kept his clothes? Did Oozaru Goku and Oozaru Vegeta performed the fusion dance or the vest is magical and streches like Freeza armors?
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I don't know how someone can hatae the grand Zeno but i respect your decidion (sp)
He's like the 2nd strongest character in Toriyama's universe, followed by Toriyama himself
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I can think of a few reasons.
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I really never got a divine feeling from SS4 so much as I got a feeling of raw power. It was the ultimate form for a Saiyan to achieve on their own and thus the combination of both the idea of the Super Saiyan and Oozaru transformations works very well. God on the other hand? To me it ultimately comes down to how Gods are often portrayed in media where you'll see that more often than not, they don't really look that different from regular people. However it's that feeling you get from just being around them that really shows how they are godly. It's what happened with SSG which I should say is NOT a recolor. Look at his base form and that state side-by-side and more subtle differences become apparent but anyway. It was clear what the intent was when reading about the design process. Forms were starting to hit that point where they looked ridiculous and Toriyama never really liked the idea of the ultimate form being macho. It's why Frieza, Cell and Buu all had simple designs and final forms whereas the movie villains tended to go crazier. The Dragon Ball design philosophy has never been about making insane designs and if SSG was just SS4? Not only would people bitch about the form idea having been done before but ultimately it just would make God another transformation which it isn't. It's called Super Saiyan God for a reason and so by going the simpler route, not only do the forms have their own unique feel but it becomes more about what they can do to prove themselves and not about the design. Of course, everyone has different design sensibilities but still, I scratch my head whenever I hear some points.
SSG doesn't fit the Saiyans? Really that was addressed in BoG itself when Goku expresses disappointment over needing others to give him this power instead of having the chance to achieve it on his own. Super Saiyan God is meant to be a very different transformation from the original forms and really when you think about it? It's just a name that has been given to a form for the sake of convenience. Beerus named the form that because that was what he dreamed about and what the legends say but really, it's possible it can be called something completely different, much like how what we thought was Ultra Instinct then had a different form name. It's not meant to reflect your perceptions on what an ultimate form should be but rather what the franchise has ultimately shown for years. The strongest forms are usually the most humble and it's just as important to be smart as it is to be strong. These ideas were especially present in DB and DBZ where Goku on some occasions (admittedly more so in the former than in the latter) had to use some other techniques in order to get through a tough fight. Sometimes he had to think outside the box and in particular he was the one who emphasized the importance of being efficient over other elements.
Back in DBZ, Goku showed Gohan in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber how one could ascend past Super Saiyan by going to Grade 2 AKA Ascended Super Saiyan and Grade 3 otherwise known as Ultra Super Saiyan. Both forms were noted as having a great power-increase by Gohan and physically looked impressive, but Goku shut down the idea of using them since while it did provide him with power? The bulky muscles made him way too slow and thus he expressed they'd be better mastering Super Saiyan 1 instead and then when we see that form? It's less impressive but ultimately Goku proves his point for he's able to keep up with Cell and yet he loses none of his speed. In that same series, we then see Super Saiyan 2 and physically, it isn't that different from Super Saiyan 1 and really when it gets to characters like Goku and Vegeta, it's harder to tell it apart from that form. However it's still incredibly powerful and you can feel that something is different and once we get to SS3? While it's obvious the form is powerful, it's noted it eats through too much energy.
We then get to SS4 in GT which didn't really have Toriyama that involved and what do we get? A form that really doesn't have much in the way of issues. Hell LSS eventually seemed to lose its original issue of making far too much Ki for the body to take. So to break it down, unless Toriyama wasn't involved? The most powerful forms were usually the simplest and SSG is simply going back to that Toriyama-philosophy since that is the goal. The goal is not to appease fans who want a form like SS4 again since that is NOT Dragon Ball.
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You got good points there, but just cause that's Toriyama's philosophy doesn't make it seem any less lazy.
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And wouldn't just using SS4 or doing a recolor of it be just as lazy? The God forms don't have much design-wise aside from some differences, that is true but in terms of the designs they do have along with their abilities? They make that divine presence hit home a lot better and as forms they still resonate with the consumer. A true lazy form is something like SS Power which literally was just a recolor with no deeper meanings and was often forgotten about. The God forms on the other hand are often remembered because designs aren't everything. Just because something looks more detailed and/or has more parts doesn't mean the idea is automatically better or more lazy. If that was the case then Rob Liefeld would probably be considered the best character designer of all time'
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I hate Zeno with a burning passion. I really hope someone hakai/erase him so he can get a taste of his own medicine.
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Wow
So Lord Zeno haters do exist, i wonder why nodoby hates Toriyama as a robot thought, he's stronger than Lord Zeno
Also yeah, i kept having mightmares that he would destroy our world too x|
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XD Perfect way to sum him up.
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Super Saiyan 4 is not only my favorite Saiyan transformation, but the best AND the strongest out of all Saiyan transformations imho. It reflects on how much of those savages the Saiyans actually are and brings them to their upmost limits. That form could've saved Dragonball Super to say at most (which I will be getting into momentarily).
Now about those god forms Imma gonna aggree. It's just hairdyes (which can be understood in a few ways...which I will not name) and inferior compared to the regular SSJ transformations. Like...can Super Saiyan Blue Goku last 10 seconds against Eternal Sailor Moon? The answer is no! Assuming EternalSailorMoon is like SuperSaiyan4 GT Goku of the SailorMoon franchise, she would crush even Vegito Blue like a bug. And don't even cry to me if Makoto Kino hits SuperSaiyanBlue Goku in the crotch and not even turn to Sailor Jupiter [I was referring to those Supertards in case you so curious.]
Off-topic, but I will say, with Dragonball Super coming to an end soon, I'm gonna have to ask on what do you think of it overall. Is it meh, good, or mixed reactions about it. For me, it was mixed. Some parts good, others just total bull.
Like...one thing particular besides SuperSaiyanBlue is the Zero-Mortal Plan. Don't get me wrong...it's my favorite thing out of Super, but a whole lot of me says that kind thing looks like something out of a magical girl genre therefore this kind of thing should've been left to a magical girl series/franchise.
And also...did you even see the Goku vs Kefla fight? I felt it as a missed opportunity. Since this is considered as two people, Goku could've called Vegeta over and fused into Gogeta to even out the odds.
So...yeah. Thats my thoughts on that controversy. Sorry if I ranted too much about Super...I felt it being very bad overall...heck we could've gotten an official Dragonball and SailorMoon crossover instead of this...Featuring FutureTrunks with Usagi (sorry Goku, no offense but you're MARRIED ). And SuperSaiyan4 Vegeta, etc.
P.S. gods I actually HATE Ginyu in DBZ UltimateBattle 22...
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