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Published: 2014-11-18 17:52:43 +0000 UTC; Views: 1419; Favourites: 5; Downloads: 32
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Description As requested, a slideshow of the Roman territory throughout the ages...
Please give me your opinion, don't hesitate, it's just a first try...
A quick something I can improve thanks to you

Oh and I need tips to make this less heavy plzzz !
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Comments: 10

akitku [2014-11-19 15:53:37 +0000 UTC]

Awesome! Thanks for this!
I had no idea that during Maurice's reign there were these small gains in the Crimea. Interesting. About the post-1204 map, perhaps it would be good to include the Despotate of Epirus and Trebizond (maybe)? Not sure, but I think at the time it wasn't all that clear which of these are the true successor of the empire (personally I also view Nicea playing this role, but perhaps that is hind-sight?)

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woodsman2b In reply to akitku [2014-11-19 17:09:07 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome and thank you for the comment! And about Crimea, I searched for hours and hours but I'm still not 100% sure about the timeline and the cities controlled...
I tried to synthetise what I read here ( my.raex.com/~obsidian/ukraine.… ) and there !
And for the period 1204-1261, I agree with you... I thought a lot about it before uploading the maps... Even after...
I'll try to add Trebizond and Epirus

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Syltorian [2014-11-18 18:30:37 +0000 UTC]

Excellent! Many thanks for this.

A few minor points I noticed:
- Roma vs. Qart Hadasht shows the battles against the cisalpine Gauls
- the slide showing the defeat of Varus still has the territory up to the Elbe in red.
- Maybe change the 'suicide of Nero' to the reign of Claudius; Nero hardly conquers anything but the Olympic crown.
- Constantine lacks an 'e' at the end

And some things that may be missing as maps:
- A separate slide for the conquest of Corsica and Sardinia after the First Punic War, and in violation of the treaty, whilst the Carthaginians were occupied with the Truceless War
- A separate slide for the second triumvirate, plus Sextus Pompeius
- The short-lived Gallic Empire under Classicus and the rebellion of the Batavians in 69/70

And a question
- Why is the Roman empire in yellow after the Latins take Constantinople in 1204? It's still the official empire, no?

But, as said: bravo.

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woodsman2b In reply to Syltorian [2014-11-18 18:44:29 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome !
Thanks for commenting either
So, to explain myself...
- Roma vs Qart Hadasht because it's the map of what Rome looked like when the war broke out...
- For Varus, you could say it's the map of the moment the Empire is defeated so... But I should
rename it as Before the Varus disaster, Before the Teutoburg Forest or something like that...
- Nero strengthened Roman control around the Black Sea during his reign
- Constantine indeed... French mistake

Interesting suggestions btw ! If you have any maps of the periods you mention (especially the year 69/70 and the second triumvirate),
it would help me !

And about the yellow maps, the empire of Nicaea is one of the successors of Byzantium, the largest indeed, but Epirus was quite important too,
and let's not forget Trebizond ! At some point Epirus was the one closing in on Constantinople.
Also, the dynasty ruling Nicaea is not the same as the one that ruled Byzantium before 1204...
So I'm not sure you could call it legitimate... One of the legitimate successors maybe, but not the only one.

Plus I suppose the Latin Empire considered itself as way more legitimate as it held the new Rome

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Syltorian In reply to woodsman2b [2014-11-18 18:50:17 +0000 UTC]

Excellent points. I'll see what I can do for the Batavian rebellion and the Treveri/Lingones defection, as well as the Second Triumvirate.

Yeah, I guess the Latin Empire considered itself legitimate. But so did the HRE. Β 

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woodsman2b In reply to Syltorian [2014-11-18 18:57:39 +0000 UTC]

Indeed the HRE considered itself legitimate because of Rome !
The Carolingian Empire too !
The Latin Empire because of Constantinople !
The Russian Empire because of the Orthox religion...

Rome the ultimate model huh

And thanks in advance for your searches !

Btw update : ConstantinE hehe... And 9 AD : moments prior to the clades Variana (the Varian defeat/disaster)

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Syltorian In reply to woodsman2b [2014-11-18 19:10:33 +0000 UTC]

Mussolini had ambitions in that direction too.Β 

And Napoleon - The VendΓ΄me column, the Madelaine, the Arc de Triomphe... never mind the Aigle he chose as a symbol.Β 
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Thanks for the updates. Which reminds me, Varus still has to give those legions back. Augustus asked him so nicely.

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woodsman2b In reply to Syltorian [2014-11-18 19:26:57 +0000 UTC]

Where are my dragons ??? I mean, where are my legions ???
And indeed Napoleon loved Rome, that's for sure !

Oh and many thanks for the

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Syltorian In reply to woodsman2b [2014-11-18 19:36:53 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome! Now you have something that no Roman, not even a deified emperor, ever had!

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woodsman2b In reply to Syltorian [2014-11-18 19:41:36 +0000 UTC]

Yes ! Their loss hehe I have a fluffy llama that they hadn't

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