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GoldenSunSheba [2012-11-28 17:49:48 +0000 UTC]
Is this also Yasu's birthday I wonder?
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xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx In reply to GoldenSunSheba [2012-11-28 18:29:52 +0000 UTC]
Pretty much not. It´s Beato´s birthday because it´s said this was the date when Beato was born and took the love for Ushiromiya Battler. "You take the golden hair he likes, blue eyes.. the personality that matches his and love him in my state" this part.
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GoldenSunSheba In reply to xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx [2012-11-28 19:05:51 +0000 UTC]
As so it's the birth date of the Personality and not any of the real Beatrice's
So confusing XP
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xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx In reply to GoldenSunSheba [2012-11-28 20:33:21 +0000 UTC]
Beato is a seperated being, personality witch from Yasu if you ask me. I have many theories how to claim that. Yasu has nothing to do with Beato you can say. Yasu created her, yasu gave her the "love", yasu used her to lie and to create herself an alibi saying she is Beatrice a witch that can use magic. But the Beato who waved the gameboards against Battler, fought him is seperated from her but due to the "giving away love" connected to yasu.
It´s hard to explain in just a short comment xD
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GoldenSunSheba In reply to xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx [2012-11-28 21:00:22 +0000 UTC]
I wish Beato was a sperate being, but I don't think it's possible for Shannon, Kanon and Beato to be seperate. Yasu was able to fool everyone in believing that they were all sperate beings. She herself even began to believe this. But, she had to destory any and all mirror's because if she happened to look to long the illusion would be broken and everyone would be able to see her, this is why Beato gave her other personality the mission to destroy the mirror. Yasu soon lost herself in the multiple personality she possessed and was no longer Yasu, she was either, Shannon, Kanon or Beato. Thus the presepective of the other family members they are never really observant if Kanon or Shanon is in the room. The Anime may have done it by glitch but when Rosa discovered her sibling in the chapel in one panel you see Kanon the next you see Shanon and Kanon is nowhere to be seen. I thought at first it was just due to improper animation but then reading the rest of Umineko discovered that this could have been a hint from the very begining. Unfortunantly as much as I love KanonxJessica I cannot fully ship this due to me believing that the Shakanbeato Theory is the truth.
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xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx In reply to GoldenSunSheba [2012-11-28 21:21:54 +0000 UTC]
You don´t understand me quite. Shkanontrice is true in the yasu sense of what yasu does. But on the fantasy site they are very well seperated beings. The magic waving the tale waving it´s all magiclal perspective Yasu has nothing to do with this anymore because yasu has NO personality. Because she lost herself already. Yasu fools in reality everyone being Kanon or Shannon or using Beatrice as her alibi that she is a witch. BUT the Beato, the Kanon, the Shannon we see who truly say they love George or Shannon are the created seperated beings. See it how Gaap was fully seperated from Yasu too as only a "friend" who stole her things and being the first Beatrice. In Shannon´s case or Kanon´s or the most important case Beato´s there Yasu is just connected to them because she uses them to lie. To play being Kanon, to play being Kanon or play being Beatrice. But this has nothing to do with the fantasy created Beato or Kanon or Shannon. They are very well seperated prove we have everywhere that when in the golden land it is possible.
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GoldenSunSheba In reply to xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx [2012-11-28 21:45:38 +0000 UTC]
Yes in the Magical world this can be assumed, just as Sakutaro is a real human in a lion outfit. but in the reality he is only a stuffed animal. But I can understand the prespective. Just goes for the same as the younger Beato and elder Beato, both would be considered seprate entaties in the magical world. Same with Kumaswa and Virgillia even though they are the same person.
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xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx In reply to GoldenSunSheba [2012-11-28 22:02:45 +0000 UTC]
Moe and Trolltrice or elder & Younger how you want to name it. It´s first Moetrice which got rejected. She´s like Yasu you could even say in young age before the promise. But that´s not what Battler wants that´s why he rejects her. Trolltrice is the missing parts what misses Yasu the "personality" what she needed when creating "Beato" If Moe & Troll are one = Beato. Seperated they are... Yasu´s love and Beatrice´s character which got created from Yasu. Theres no love between Yasu & Battler. Battler would only love Yasu if she would forever pretend being Beato what is impossible. Battler loves Beato not thhe real Yasu only her Beato persona. That´s fact.
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GoldenSunSheba In reply to xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx [2012-11-28 22:50:39 +0000 UTC]
Sad, but I believe Yasu would through herself away to become Beato prementantly, her love for Battler is alot stronger that Shannon's love or Kanon's love. And I don't think there is no love between Yasu and Battler because Battler grew attached to her first personality Shannon who was nothing like what his dream girl was like.
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xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx In reply to GoldenSunSheba [2012-11-29 16:10:53 +0000 UTC]
It was a childlish crush. It got said so in ep3, he forgot the promise he forgot about her after what happened with his "mother" Asumu, no letter for her he wrote and I VERY MUCH BELIEVE that there was no hiding the letter thing. Yasu as Shannon was observing George and the other family members too. She would have noticed that George hides away her letter.
Next thing is in ep1 game Battler even first didn´t reconized Shannon and couldn´t remember her. And he was very much surprised that she is still on Rokkenjima.
The fact that he could let her go too so quickly in ep3 seeing her with George was another thing that he didn´t had any much feelings for her anymore. He pretty much flirted with any girl when he was little, with the other servants too, for Battler it was more fun and he saw her as a very good friend to read mysteries with, but it´s not "love".
The time they spent on Rokkenjima together was mere few hours since usually the family conferrence ended in one day. Only because of the typhoon it lasted this long 1986.
Even in ep5 Battler confirmed that he dated girls and his first crush he said he remembered that he wanted to date at school was someoone else. He didn´t counted Shannon there or "Yasu" better to say, since Shannon is Yasu.
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GoldenSunSheba In reply to xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx [2012-11-29 17:04:00 +0000 UTC]
Not nessarily because George could have thrown the letter Battler wrote to Shannon away on the boat. George was very Jealous of how close Shannon and Battler where and when his mother died and he disowned his father George found this the perfect time to try and win Shannon over. Battler placed too much trust in George and George betrayed that making Battler Believe that Shannon didn't want to go see him or come away with him cause she was mad he didn't come back and broke his promise. So when they got older they never mentioned that and shrugged it off as some sort of silly crush to prevent themselves from bringing up painful scars.
Damn you George.... >.> I don't trust him as far as I could throw him...just look at his snake like mother.
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xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx In reply to GoldenSunSheba [2012-11-29 17:47:35 +0000 UTC]
He can´t. Kyrie gave him the letters for everyone when they were at the beach when EVERYONE was there. He had NO chance to hide away a letter. Kyrie has zero motive why she would hide a letter and not give George so this can´t work either.
And Eva is the best mother ever. And I mean this how I say this not like how Rosa is.
Eva who knew that Shannon played with George, I bet she knew protected her son in her own way saying to Shannon to get lost(ep2). Because Shannon or Yasu was the one that used George all those years. She even used Jessica as Kanon.(Ep2 the dates)
And again back to Eva. She was the one knowing what happened the TRUTH and wrote it in her diary in the hospital. She took care of Ange protecting her trying to be a mother to her despite her grief that her husband and her son died. EVA-Beatrice was created that Ange would put her hate onto her in the end and not find out the truth. In my eyes the most logical sense still is Kyrie the Culprit who dragged Rudolf with her like in ep7 or Battler-culprit even. So to prevent Ange to ever find out her beloved family is bad Eva took all the blame. That was her way to protect Ange. If Ange would have more trusted Eva they would have ended as a beautiful family supporting each other.
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GoldenSunSheba In reply to xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx [2012-11-29 18:00:43 +0000 UTC]
The Truth being that Kyrie was the greedy one convincing Rudolf that if they found the gold best to get rid of the rest of the family. I really kind of lean to Ep 7 being the true ending rather than ep8 being the true ending. I don't like the thought that Kyrie just had Ange to control Rudolf but she is rather greedy and envious.
And George felt strongly about Shannon enough to try anything to crush Battler and Shannon's relationship.
I don't think Battler is bad. Not at all. A little Naive, but I really believe he has a good heart. That's why I completely ignore Black Battler, it so out of character for him. Also the Battler being the culprit was kinda silly as well. He loves his family even though they can piss him off alot of the time. He wouldn't purposly lead Shannon on and just shrug her off without believing that she was mad at him and maybe had moved on. Battler said it himself, he wouldn't abandon the Heart. *Such a Will moment XD* So I think Battler does love Yasu, just in such a different way.
LOL we are all over the chess board here...
*Flips the chess board*
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xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx In reply to GoldenSunSheba [2012-11-29 19:14:01 +0000 UTC]
I can give you many solving ways for umineko. But this would be way too long taking here. In skype or msn however it could be possible if you want.
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GoldenSunSheba In reply to xXBeatoUshiromiyaXx [2012-11-29 19:28:40 +0000 UTC]
Lol I don't mind discussing this.
I only get angry when discussing Lion's gender...Don't get me started on that. X_X
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