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As much as I understand this, isn't this exactly what people pay designers for? How do you think it _should_ be then? People give you money and then you do something else than what they wanted you to do? You can try that, but soon enough people won't hire you anymore.
Perhaps you should have a bit more lenient attitude towards the ideas of other people than that they are ugly, even if you don't like them - you're not the god of what's an ugly idea and what's not.
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Are you really claiming that treating someone like an implement is justified in any form or fashion?Β
If someone wants you to execute an ugly idea, I bet you'd do it with a lot more grace if they treated you like a human being instead.Β
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No, I'm not. But I'm glad you showed your immense bias right off the bat by misinterpreting my words in the worst possible way you could imagine. Would it be possible for you to present the logic behind that claim?
Asking someone to do what you hired them for is not treating someone like an implement. Regardless of how much artistic freedom you get or how strict your client is about the piece they want you to do in the contract between you two, you can be treated like crap, or be treated with respect. There most certainly is no causal link there and trying to claim there is with zero arguments just shows self-centeredness and ignorance.
Sure, there are clients out there with little respect for other people, but they are a tiny minority and blanket statements like this do nothing but instill hatred towards the wrong group of people (which in this case are clients who know what they want, not clients who are assholes as it should be).
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Well, some designers like explicit instructions, but, having collaborated with many a commission artist, I can say I prefer hiring someone with a creative brain. I'd rather give them an idea and then watch their interpretation of it inform my own; and then just feel out the design by listening and exploring directions. The expression "eye sculpting" comes to mind. The final vision---what satisfies the itch in the back of my head---is waiting to be illustrated, like a block of marble; but it's a matter of chipping away everything that isn't the vision.Β
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Man I just love those kind of "get it off your chest" splurts. 10/10
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YES!!!!!
FINALY SOMEBODY WHO GETS IT
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good conceptΒ
I hate the client when say that I don't have test in colorΒ
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WILLCRAFT @ when you go to graphic designer , you going for helping ...if you dont know about graphics and you just imagine something that not means you have a good idea , if your graphics designer said not good means not good 
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You are being paid to perform a service. If you do not want to perform that service, do not make a contract with the person who wants you to do so. This is like your client saying, I am a client, not a piggy bank, I am not a simple tool to enable you to acquire currency. When you design for someone, they ultimately have authority.
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Wow. Β I thought this was pretty funny, but would never have guessed all this... tension... would come of it.
I suppose this piece may contain some commentary about the quality of the ideas that come from the people the artist works for - everyone has opinions about their jobs, as anyone doing the same thing for hours a day would - but some of the rest of the interpretations are nothing what I was thinking at all when I read it.
All I got out of it was that the artist doesn't like to be treated like a thing, and would rather be treated as a person. Β People who provide services are often seen as a means to an end, not human beings. Β I should know, I fix computers for people who don't know how they work, don't know anything about how they got so broke, love free pornography, don't believe in antivirus software, and want them fixed five minutes ago, but don't feel like they should pay for my knowledge and expertise because - you know - computers, right?
So it goes.
Anyway, thanks for sharing your work with us xyphid. Β I enjoyed your piece. Β I hope your today was a little better.
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Ironically, one becomes rather cranky when seen as a tool.
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Well, see, you are a tool to execute your clients' ideas. You're paid to do what other people tell you. If they want you to execute their ugly ideas, you had better execute their ideas if you want to eat that night. I'm getting a little bit tired of workers feeling more and more entitled to more and more stuff. I'm with the Occupy and Other 98% movements when it comes to higher wage, fair treatment and equal pay, but I am NOT with them on the notion (especially with creative workers) that they ought to be able to just create and design beautiful, inspired art all the time. No, that's not what you do. You're paid to bring others' visions to fruition. Do that job, or leave a space for someone else who IS willing to actually do WORK.
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He's not obligated to take certain jobs.
If he can get by with what he's paid, that's good for him.
The person who wants their thing designed probably isn't gonna give up on it just because one artist doesn't want to, and thus the job goes to someone else. Art isn't just a labor, it's a passion. And art might not be his only job.
I agree with you that the 99% doesn't deserve what they have and needs to share, but that doesn't mean this guy is part of the problem, or even relevant to the problem. Stop trying to push your political agenda in places where it doesn't belong. This is a guy's right, and his subjective opinion, and hardly related to corporations owning most of the wealth. This is an artist working alone, not some CEO exploiting the system.
Please, just stop. You're making Liberals like me look bad.
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I wasn't trying to push a political agenda? I was simply disagreeing with the message in the image. I appreciate the effort to make debate, but I think you misinterpreted what I said. If he can pick and choose his jobs, that's fine. He is belly-aching about a problem that he ought not have, then, and if he can barely live on what he makes, he should start taking more jobs or not being picky. The picture either seems like:
A.) The artist is complaining about having to do a job as he's asked and not being able to do what he wants, or...
B.) He is complaining about too many people who try to commission his work aren't the kind of clients he prefers to do business with.
His options for either of these are:
A.) Stop complaining, buckle down and do the work that he needs to do so he can get his money and eventually get better commissions, or...
B.) Quit taking business from clients he prefers not to work with.
So he is either complaining about a problem that EVERYBODY has, or he's sort of "First World Artist" complaining, meaning that he's well-known enough that he can live off his art, yet he can't see that such a condition is a dream come true for most artists and finds something to gripe about even in happiness and luxury. Work is work. If he can't realize that he won't be able to just do whatever he wants all the time, then he ought to just go live on an island somewhere. Because everywhere you work you're going to have to do what others say. Commissioned artwork is no different. The only difference is that with commissions, your bosses change more frequently.
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So, you're telling him he can't vent and let other artists that feel the same relate to him?
He probably doesn't take those jobs, and the people trying to hire him probably pitch a fit over it, hence this picture.
I've been there.
I still have NO IDEA what this has to do with the Occupy movement. Still seems pretty irrelevant.
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It has to do with workers who feel slighted and kept down by means of work. It's highly relevant in all things. Everything is connected in a deep way. Yes he is allowed to rant, but gods be damned if this isn't whiny milk-drinker stuff. Part of being a professional is NOT letting it all hang out on a professional stage. I envy him if he can belly-ache about his customers in front of his customers.
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Whatever, dude. You didn't prove the link, just talked about some vague pseudo-philosophical "EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED" bullshit.
Excuses, excuses. Why don't you stop making the Occupy movement look bad?
Alon is tired now. Go bother somebody else.
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There is no such thing as pseudo-philosophy - everything is philosophy. There is such a thing as pseudo-intellectualism, though. Telltale signs of this in a person are: Foul language in conjunction with entry-level "collegiate" linguistics, shrewd and acute, yet often fundamentally false observations dismissing disputing subject matter in a tonally sarcastic manner, usually intended to impress another by dressing it up as "old hat" for the Pretending Intellectual, personal attacks, and referring to oneself in the third person. What you should do when you encounter a pseudo-intellectual is exit the conversation as soon as possible. Make final remarks if you must, but if they respond, do not reply. This will feed into their ego, they will feel as though they are actually debating with you, and it will ultimately contribute to the growth of their very deep psychological illness.
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Wow, that's a mighty pretentious paragraph you got there.
I really shouldn't talk to arrogant asshats that think they're above everyone else just because I don't feel like dedicating a wall of text just to blatantly insult you and say you have a mental illness. (Really, you think I have a legitimate mental illness just for disagreeing with you and being sarcastic? What planet are you from? Armchair psychology much?)
This is how I naturally talk, and how I've always talked, it's not me trying to act pretentious like you are right now.
I can't even afford college, honestly. Probably not going to be able to for a few years. Live in the ghetto of Long Beach. Pretty sure you're gonna stomp me for that, and be all "Ha! I was right!" and call me an idiot.
But I digress. There's no ego-stroking going on here on my end. I just don't like it when people act like they're deeply offended by something totally irrelevant, or hardly relevant for that matter. It feels like you were just looking for some way to relate it to the struggle of the 1%, and whine about this artist expressing that they don't take certain jobs.
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On that note, Photoshop is not a fricking magic wand.
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This deserves a poster of it's own.
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Maybe i'll look into it, haha.Β
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Hey, that's how I feel when people ask me to make drawings of/3D models of their crappy OCs!
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*cringe* I take it Β you're an expert on crappy OCs...Β
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...Well, I don't like them. And I know they're everywhere. I try to avoid them.
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I understand if they don't want to hear your input on the design. They did hire you based on your style so your input should be valid. If however they do listen to you and make changes or allow you the freedom to make changes that you see fit to work with their design, then there is no room to complain. If you doΒ communicate the things you may see that don't work in an articulate way and they don't listen then go on rant I am with you on that.
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this is okay as long as i'm paid, requests, only if it's a best friend or an IOU.
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i though was just inverse idea: we are designers, not a fucking developers
(in my case game designer, dont know yours specific design area...)
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i really love the placement of color here, the contrast is perfect and the viewer's eye gets directy to the
screwdriver
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Nice!
Anyone providing a service also has the option of accepting which
projects to do, but I can see how irritating it would be if everyone
that contacted you for work - hadn't really thought out their idea!
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But If You Are Getting Payed For It...It's Kind Of Your Job To Execute Them. That Like That One Animator Chick On Youtube Who Made A Big Show Of Telling Her Boss She Quit Over The Fact She Did Not Get To Draw What She Wanted. It's A Job. You Do What You're Payed For And If You're Not Happy Doing It You Find Something Else To Do. It's Kind Of Entitled To Think You Can Get Payed To Do Whatever You Want When What You Do Comes From People Paying You To Do What THEY Want-Freelance Art And Payed Art Sometimes ARE The Same Thing (If You Create And Sell Them Yourself) But Not Always (Like When Your Job Is Drawing What Your Paycheck Tells You To). Agree Or Disagree All You Want-But It's A Cold Truth. Good Day To You Sir/Madam.
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I have to agree.
No one's forcing you to get payed for designing.
Good luck finding people who will decide what theme they are looking for based on your self-satisfaction designs of what "you want to design without anyone telling you what to do". Β
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Glad You Agree. I Mean Don't Get Me Wrong I Know Art Is Not Always Easy But If You Want To Draw Art On Your Own Terms You Sell Peaces On Your Own. If Your Get Payed To Draw On Someone ELSE'S Terms Then That's What You Do And That's What You CHOSE To Do. I May Not Know Everything About This Stuff Since I Can't Draw To Save My Life But Logic Is Logic And You Do What People Pay You To Do If You Intend To Use Any Skill To Make Money.
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This should be on a shirt
and ... I now have a new desktop background.
wonderful!
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very entertaining... does it come in white?
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But how good are you at designing screwdrivers?Β
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Get this made into a t-shirt already!
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