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Published: 2012-11-11 01:18:08 +0000 UTC; Views: 4136; Favourites: 72; Downloads: 31
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At last I have managed to finnish another artwork, and at last a real digital work of my idol Alice Liddell of American McGee's Alice.For AMA and AMR gamers, this is a very famous location. This is indeed the Vale of Tears/Pool of Tears, one of my personal favorite location in the AMA games because of it's clear, great and artsy way of describing, depression, sorrow, sadness and how it really feels to almost drown cold in tears and darkness. I had to make an artwork of this location, also by very personal reasons of mine, as art is my way of coping and expressing. And this is certainly not the last art I will do of this location as well because there is so much more inspiring with these games I have to paint and create. However, this was a good start for me and I am very happy with the results.
And this Vale of Tears of mine, is inspired by both the frst Alice game and the second, Madness Returns and so I mixed them togheter in this piece. But as said, I have much more to do of Vale of Tears when it comes to art in both games. The Vale of Tears in Madness Returns is more sunny, calm, serene, mystical but a bit sad and strange in its own way while the Pool of Tears is chaotic, cold, dark, messy and eerie and most of all really depressing, sorrowful and melancholic. And as I love both the games so much, I have alot of stuff to create from both of the games.
I own nothing in this artwork as it is a Fanart, I only drew itΒ and digitally painted it in Photoshop CS5.
-AMAlice(American McGee's Alice) and everything in this American McGee's Alice-lore belongs to American McGee, Rouge EntertainmentΒ and EAGames!
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I think this is your best piece so far! Very well done! Love the details and colouring!
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Thank you so much!
Altough, since my laptop is dying and my Photoshop CS5 dying alongside with it, I don't know how the future for me will look like when it comes to digital artwork I do have a Wacoom tablet but it's so different, I've been using a mouse my whole life...
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I know, it's very hard to work with a tablet when you're not used to it. But keep practicing (first by doodling) until you get control of it. I still don't have complete control over mine, but it makes your art so much prettier and easier to finish once you have it under control. Keep trying. And it's normal for it to take weeks before you manage to control it.
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Thank you so much. 
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I forgot to send you a download link for your tablet. Did you already fix it?
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It's ok. And no, it's not exactly solved yet. But I'm not gonna have the tablet on the PC, am awaiting my new laptop instead.
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Oh, okay! If you can't figure out which download link is the right one, contact me. I'll help.
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The colors!!! WOOW! They are amazing! This whole piece is amazing! I'm not familiar with the games (my gaming knowledge is very limited hahahah) but this is one amazing piece!
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Wow, thank you so much! 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpmiSiβ¦
I wish to do more artworks like this in the future with all kinds of game-franchises. But it may take lots of time because I still have sooooo much to learn when it comes to using and colouring via Photoshop.
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I haven't played the game, but this is a very good artwork 
I ask for your forgiveness beforehand as the vale reminds me of a Japanese hot spring xD again sorry
Still a neat artwork
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Wow, thank you so much!
If you somehow get a hold of the game (which I highly recommend to even tough those EA-bastards no longer really sell the game), you should definitely play the game because it's AWESOME in every way!
I'm glad I succeeded with Alice's expression. Even tough in the first game, Alice is at times emotionless and apathetic sort off, it is because her depression and inner darkness and wounds are so deep at this time, however at times she's still able to clearly express her feelings and pain etc. But also, this level in the first game speaks a lot for itself and also expresses Alice's deep sorrows, pains, inner darkness and coldness plus the very dark, devastating and deep feeling and mood which depression and melancholy and all sorts of sorrows truly has. Even tough this artwork of mine is a little bit inspired by the second game also (her crying statue is one example, it is a bit different in the first game), it is still mostly inspired by the first game and especially all the feelings and meaning of depression and melancholy this level so well shows.
And lol, no need to apologize! I also believe that Alice herself would like it very much If this vale was more of that of a beautiful and serene Japanese hot spring.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNCe3Aβ¦
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Now to this reply of yours. Again I am sorry that I reply this late to you. And you're welcome by the way
If I can get it, why not 
Yeah, I've read about Alice's background story in the games. It doesn't surprise you that she's emotionless and apathetic. Those are defense mechanism of her personality so that she wouldn't get hurt again as she'd been hurt and abused a lot before the first game.
I don't know the vale in both games (as I haven't played the games) but through your description I get at least a bit of a picture. I think you perhaps could have made it a bit darker and more depressed to reflect more of the aspects Alice's personality in the first game you've described. It doesn't look like a place you'd want to visit for happy times, but in my opinion it could be darker. But that's just my opinion
And thanks for the link. I'll listen to it
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I know I promised to reply sooner, but things has be going very up and down for me, and thus here I am...
Sadly your best bet in getting the game is via Pirate Bay, I believe. All thank to those damn EA. I also HATE how EA is nowadays and their stupid Origin. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING works. I waste my money on The Sims 4, I can't play it because of Oigin or some other stupid fuzz in EA.
And yes, Alice may appear apathetic and emotionless (at least in the first game), but as you said, it is a defence mechanism because she's been hurt so much.
Even in the first game, the Vale of Tears/Pool of Tears is not so much more depressing than I tried to create in my artwork. But I at the same time agree, I could have made it even more depressing, and in some more future artworks of Vale of Tears/Pool of Tears, I will.
The statue in this artwork however is actually from and how it looks in the second game. But again, in some more future artworks of Vale of Tears/Pool of Tears, I'll make the statue more accurate to how it actually looks in the first game, because t looks a little different in the first game.
I know it's been a long while since last time and since I sent you the link. Did you like the song?
Other, thank you sooo much for your comment and that you like my artwork!
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I wanted to reply on this reply of yours for quite some time, but never found the time to do it, I am so sorry 
Well then, let's get down to business
What is Origin? Some special programm-code-thing that EA put in their games? It's certianly nothing positive by reading that part of your reply.
Now to Alice
The Vale of Tears: like before it's your decision if you revise it or not. Your vale is not some happy love, peace and harmony place, that's for sure
Let me know if you're finished with your future artworks of the Vale, I'd like to see them
About the song: I am so sorry, but I don't know if I listened to it 
You're welcome
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It's ok!
I dunno what its called in English but it's EA's game-thingy hich enables you to play their games, much like Steam or Ubisoft etc. It's both a mess and totally unfunctional, many gamers (like myself included), can't even play games by EA thanks to it. I bought The Sims 4 but can't play it all thanks to Origin.
I couldn't have said this better myself, just like anyone mind and psyche is complex etc, so is Alice's and thus her Wondeland is a sort of a mirror which shows and gives a little hint about her mind and psyche. As you said, aΒ example indeed.
Yes, this version of my Vale of Tears is like it is in the artwork here. Alice's Vale of Tears s happier and brighter etc in Madness Returns, but in the first game, it's pretty melancholic. And thank you so much, I believe I'll be doing artworks of my future Vale of Tears artworks both digital and traditional/colorpencils. Also, thank you!
And it's ok, here's the song;
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNCe3Aβ¦
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Beautifull!!
Expresses really well how you feel. And the coloring is so lovely! Great work!
Is life a bit more okay for you now?
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Thank you so much, my friend!
Againa, thank you so much! 
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You're welcome, sweetheart!
I'm glad to read you're doing much better!! Keep on expressing yourself, art is such a great tool for it. And you'll see things will get easier for you.
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Thank you so much!
Even tough I also wish it could be better (because it's been a little stressing lately) I'm also happy it is that bad at least and that it'll hopefully only goes forward now. Oh yes, I've started to see it more and more now hom much expressing yourself in art and other creativity really helps, and now I'm starting to get the energy back for it too.
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I'm happy to know, sweetheart! Never give up, and keep on drawing! Also..keep listening to the inner you.
I look forward to your next artworks! <3
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Thank you so much for all feedback and support, dear!
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Neither do I listen to myself often..perhaps we could learn of eachother.
And you're most welcome, sweetheart.
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I guess it is liike that simply when it is about ourselves. It's easy giving advice and such to everyone else except for ourselves. Indeed, I also believe we could help each other alot. I also know that Mindfullness is very good with everything about being aware with everything and especially yourself, your body and your feelings in the here and now, and that it allways can be improved and practiced on.
Again, thanks so much, dear!
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Yep..that's how I got to learn so much wise stuff of my mother, but she never actually learned from herself. It's a sheer pity..
Indeed. That's what makes us brilliant..as long as we keep helping eachother in the proper way.
I think many people could learn of us!
You speak very wise words too, dear.
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You also learn alot from your mother, even tough there was a a sheer pity. But I'm also like that and I think it is a pretty easy trap to fall into. It's easy to help everyone else and make everyone else happy. But when it comes to oneself, it's so hard to see how good enough one is or not, plus listening to oneself's own advices too.
And yes, and they would also learn from people like us too. And they would defenitaly learn by being open-minded with open eyes that are non-judging but welcoming. This is why I hope so much that Mindfullness, meditation and yoga and such stuff will one day take over the would. Imagine how much it would help and benefit both all humans, animals and all natures wonders.
And thank you so much!
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T_T Manly tears have been shed because of this magnificent art.
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Wow, I'm speechless and all by your comment here!
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You're very welcome! I reeeeally love the composition
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Thank you so much again!
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I really love the atmosphere of this art! When I first played AMA, I fell in love with the statue of Alice. I kinda always dreamed to be Alice-like, and even know when I see this weeping statue, my heart skips a beat. It is, like you wrote, depressing, but still beautiful, minor and calm.
Here, in Ukraine, in autemn, winter and spring we always have a weather like in the Vale of tears - the sky is grey, dark, and the life itself seems to be kind of depressing. So, I think, it's sort of my personal feelings about the place I live mixed with favourite game of all times.
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So glad you like this!
Ukraine and Sweden seems to have very similar climate and weather. In sweden we also get this cold, greyish and hollow, deppressive weather at autumn and winter, also much darkness and all. And yep, it reminds you of the cold, hollow and depressive times in life.
Oh yeah, AMA is truly legendary! I LUVVV that game, its atmoshphere and its soundtrack so much! XD
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Oh, yes, and it's really connected with Alice's shattered mind - she's in the asylum, she's an orphan and her Wonderland broke into grotesque pieces. In AMR her mind was half-cured, but then she realizes, that Bubmy didn't cured her, but broke into smaller pieces, that she just cound't recognize.
The soundtrack is really perfect! I remember when I was little girl, I wrote lyrics on Time to die - my fav one. Oh, none of my friends knew the real beauty!
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Truly! Another reason to why I love this statue plus that it's water running down into the pool and creeks represents her tears, in how much pain, sorrow, despair and anxiety and deprression she's in etc. I also LOVE the statue in AMR, that one which cries blood.
Oh yeah, I remember reading from the past-matters in AMR that she left Rutledge with a depression (plus hallucinations thanks to Rutledge itself). At first in the beginning of the game, even I thought Bumby was there to help and all, but ohhh, how decieved and fooled all along we were. Not only did he mess with her mind, making her forget about the fire and everything, and that he was the actualy murderer and perpertrator, he also literally messes with her mind and the whole her. Breking her apart, making her a doll of his own to sell for the dirty pervs like the rest of the poor lost children. That was all it indeed was an industry of making prostitutes to sell away just like a bunch of toydolls for pervs to play with. Sometimes I also get a feeling that Alice was Bumby's fav doll as well. And also, it's scary that Bumby is indeed alot sicker than that and all I've mentioned here. Alot of hidden darkness indeed. Such an amazing game with such a splendid story, I LOVE both the games, and the first one is legendary for sure! Ohh, and the soundtrack, aaahhhhhh! XD I dream of mine is to make some fanremakes of the soundtracks and also wirintg some own songs in the future, also perhaps adding some lyrics and such to the actual fanremakepieces as well. The thing is that I can't play any instrument at all, all I can is sing.
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The blood or (and) the corruption also. They are alike in their role.
When I first saw trailers, I thought, we'd have more game time in the London itself (I'm a huge London and victorian fan, so this combo makes me cry with delight!).
Maybe Alice also reminded Bumby poor Lizzie? I'm sure, that he had feelings for her (not just lust), so this could be the background reason of "curing" (or corrupting) Alice herself.
It's really unbelievably sad that McGee and the SH team have to sell their product with help of EA games, that dictate everything - deadlines, story etc etc. I've read that the game supposed to be as dark as the trailers (my personal sorrow - they never game us the whole version of piano-violin theme from the trailer, it really breaks my heart), but EA games made SH to make a game much lighter.
As for the music - CHRIS VRENNA IS GENIUS
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Ohhh, I LOVE the blood statue as well. It doesn't only represent deppression, sorrow, despair, pain and sadness but also it all but with fury, hysteria and hate. Also that it feels like it represents those deep cut wounds you get where it's streaming blood from, a never-ending blleding wound which takes a long time to heal. I also like the corruption one, because it represents what Bumby is really doing with her, it represents her own and her Wonderland's destruction and doom. Ohh, how I love all those weeping statues!
Oh yeah, I'd also wish we'd have more London time in the games. And originally and according to the beta trailer and all, we would have gotten more time in London, with a much bigger plot. But thanks to EA and their damn time limits, they we're forced to rush through the game. It's all really sad indeed.
And yes, I wonder that too. Maybe Bumby was reminded of Lizzie with Alice, as Alice now is a grown, beautiful woman. Sometimes I give myself horrible creeps with wondering If Bumby wanted Alice in the end too, just like he wanted Lizzie. I also believe that Bumby also had real feelings for Lizzie, but he also can't control his feelings and therefore it became something I call "Black Love" and then all the lust and obsession alongside too.
And I couldn't agree more. It's truly sad how McGee and SH never got the time to finnish the game for real just because of EA. Even tough this game is still amazing and epic, but it also could have been even more so If EA would just have given them the time they needed. Indeed, it's such a shame how EA has to be in charge and controll everything! >_<
And ohhh, the piano-violin mysterious trailer theme? At SoundCloud I found it, and the whole version. And also its creator. He's called Markus Wormstorm and the beautiful Alice theme he wrote for the trailers is actually called "Red Queen". It's the number 07 of the tracks in this link in his account at SoundCloud:
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And hell yes! Chris Vrenna is for sure a genious! XD I don't think it does any harm If you create lyrics for music which doesn't have any lyrics. In my oponion and view, wiriting lyrics and such like that is another proof on how much the music inspires us.
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And Alice herself doesn't really realize the damage Bubmy does, but her inner self does - and tries to warn her with those tears and everything. I love the way the developers made this concepts - making them not only estetic, but ... you know, they mean a lot.
EA does that with all the games. I remember Mass Effect or Dragon Age - everything came half-ready. It's such a shame
This is really interesting, cause he is just a person for Victorian England - he's corrupted, but smart enough to succeed. And if he really loved Lizzie, he's probably even more unhappy that I've realized.
But they made a PERFECT first part. I played it a lot as a child and always wanted to be like Alice. McGee is really a genius.
OH MY GOD THANK YOU!!!! T__T
It inspired me greatly. I don't who I'd be without Alice
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Hello, sorry for my late reply.
And I couldn't have said it better herself, her inner-universe and self, her wonderland tries to warn her plus giving her answers. I also love hoe the developers made all these concepts, messages and symbolism etc. THIS is what I LOVE in games!
Yup, I've learned and realised more and more that EA is the just the worst and greedy out there. They all all feeling and motivation there is when it comes to real games, they only care about their f*cking money they earn! Shameful for sure! >.<
Indeed, Bumby may be a corrupt, murderous pedo-perv creep but Ican't deny that he's smart and clever indeed. And Yes, he really did love Lizzie but went to far. He couldn't for anything accept a no and thus just go on with his life. He just had to become obsessed, freaky and all, stalking her just losing it. I personally think that he really deserves for being very unhappy, especially since he made an innocent one very very unhappy and even more, destroying her etc. Well, we all know the rest of the story.
And I couldn't agree more, they truly made a perfect start and that game is still epic and legendary today in my oponion! I have played it many times and could forever continue. That game has such eerie, haunting and special envoriment and atmosphere plus that it is so inspiring! XD Mr McGee is a real genius for sure!
And you're very welcome, just glad to help!
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Beautiful very sad art. I like the idea and composition, but the most like Alice's face, full of sorrow and horror in her eyes. When I first played the game and saw the Valley of Tears I though I'm in heaven. Thought the most peaceful to me seems to be Card Bridge
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Wow, thank you so much!
I am so glad I managed to catch the meaning of AMA-Alice and the Vale of Tears and what the depressive, melancholic feeling. It was my ultimate goal with this plus that I love both the versions of Vale of Tears from both the games so I had to make this. I have also so much more to express and paint from this level from both the games. Indeed, The Madness Returns version is truly heavenly in a kind of sad and beautiful way, plus that I love love LOVE waterlandscapes with waterfalls and such. I also love Card Bridge, so peaceful and also heavenly. XD
I don't know If you have played the first AMA game but the Vale of Tears (or actually called Pool of Tears)there is very sad, deppresive and melancholy and somewhat cold. Beautiful in its own dark way tough but truly the really sad and deppresing version of this level. I love both the levels so much and again, I have so much to paint and express from both the versions, also from other places and such from both the games. AAAHHHHH so much inspiration! XD
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You're very welcome
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Wow, thank you so much!
Oh yeah, anatomy is truly not something I am good at the slighest. But indeed, I never had art studies, I've just been drawing on my own my whole life using a few references whenever I'm to draw some new stuff or new characters.
Which of the underarms of Alice has mistakes and what mistakes are they? I ask so I can improve next time, this is why I don't take offence of such critic at all, in fact, constructive critism can only improve one If you welcome it!
But I am so glad you think I manage to capture the emotions and all. In fact, that has allways been my stronger ability when it comes to all kind of art. I have no sense of anatomy or stuff but when it comes to emotions, it works realΓΆly well. Especially If you have felt such emotions and such yourself. This is why I enjoy drawing Alice nowadays I guess, I just got so much to get out and express, plus that both the games are such amazing artworks overall.
And about the first game, do you mean the level itself or the game overall?
Other, trust me, I'll most certainly be sure to draw more Alice plus that there is so much from both the games to draw and all. When it comes to artworks of Alice overall, I've allways wanted to make some some fanremix of the actual soundtracks plus that a bigger wish of mine is to write my own songs for her. However, I am in no way good with composing or playing instruments, I can only sing. But what I also do and absolutely will continue doing, is making musicvids of Alice with songs I find fitting. Right now I got two videos up on my Youtube account so far. And oh yeah, I am such a music-addict! XD
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Thank for fast reply :hug. I'm really happy that my critique can help you. About the arm, the lenght is almost good, and you'll easily learn if you'll find few references to study it. It's one of easiest part of human anatomy to draw. But you should work more at drawing hands. You're at the good way, and honestly I've learnt drawing it corectly not so long ago. It's one of the hardest thing to draw. You should look at yours and other poeples hands every day and drawing your own in differcent gestures to learn how bones and muscles beaneath the skin are build. If you'll catch the construction of a hand, all your arms in future will look more realistic. the proportions of fingers etc. Capturing fleeting emotiotions and state of minds it's one of greatest things art was found for. About Alice I mean all game. Creators didn't really mind of sense bigger that what's in head and heart of every human dwfferent stadium or nature. That shacked me. 'Cause i had the very same situation. I'm not mad as Alice, but in my life was someone who pretend tobe my friend only to take my emotions and will to life. Since I played a game I didn't realize it at once. Just had a feeling there's something bad above me that want my breakdown. But playing in Alice give me knowlegde that I have the strenght inside me to through it away. And I didd it. It took me lot of time and searching to see everything clear. I told everything I felt to this person. Now he's one omy my best friends. He though he love me, but he was way too weak to love him self and wanted me to tell him he's worthy. I understood it 'cause long ago I felt the same. He understood me far more than I expected. So by my own expeirnce AMR is a game with energy to show people the way too find nad eliminate the peoples who want to thake all of they energy and will to fife. Since that I can very well understand why you want to draw more Alice fanart. Do it. there's no better way found yourself and help everyone who look at it, even if they don't understand it. I like sing to. and dace. Music is a art in the same way as pictures. There's no better way to contact with your heart than sing loud and clear when you feel you need it. That's why I love music in Alice as much as the view. As I said the game helped me. But I also drew my emotion, litened music even 5 time the same song, just to find why I feel it's imortant for me to listen. I also meke music videos. But only in my head. Music video is magical 'cause connect the two biggest media to express the energy inside every human. It's easiest to understand, but have the same point - show the emotins. Can you give me link to your YouTube account? if you want.
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You're very welcome!
But anyway, even tough I am personally a perfectionist, when people comment on the things in my stuff that looks or is out of place plus telling me how to improve it and get better. How could I be angry and unthankful when I could benefit, improve and learn so much by it? I know the difference between contructive critism and bashing/trolling.
Thank you so much for the information and the tips on how to improve the arms. I never knew hands played such a big role even tough I knew they did very much. Indeed, hands, anatomy overall, has never been my strong side. But as you said, with help from some references and practice, I could improve. Also, the funny thing is that when it comes to fictional cgaracters, like Alice or characters like Mario and such, how different their anatomies are even tough there is a standard. I find that pretty interesting. Alice, seems rather slim, which is not strange perhaps since she was locked up coldly in an asylum and all.
Bt again, when it comes to references, I do try using them as much as I can, especially If I am to draw a completely new character. I also find myself when working on some anatomy stuff, like hands and such, I try to do the same pose in front of the mirror and look at it and try to remember it.
Oh yeah, and when it comes to bones, skulls and such, how difficult it really is to draw skeletons and such, I seriously wanna learn that! XD
Och yeah, even tough I am bad at coloring artworks and such, when it comes to emotions and such, it's so much easier for me personally. And it is so interesting because I can feel that some things can't even be expressed and shown completely by poems even, but with painting/drawing and music instead.
Oh yeah, I get what you mean about the game. Even tough I also hope you will try the first AMA again because the game is really really amazing. But at the same time I understand, the first game (even tough the second one had much such moments too) was really really dark and mental. The game truly goes STRAIGHT into ones heart and soul. And If you are depressed, it gets sooo easy to feel and relate to it. And indeed, it can both schock and hurt like hell! I have felt it from music and some songs also, when you realise that you can identifye and relate to that game, character, song and music, feeling its pain and everything, it can get pretty scary. I am also not mad like Alice, not really I think. Even tough I am a hopeless daydreamer, is depressed and dealing with anxiety and such, I don't think I'm mad really. But in my oponion, Alice isn't either, she's just darn hurt and broken inside. I would too in her situation. But also I feel so sorry for Alice and her situation, because the victorian era is truly dark, unfair and complicated. I read somewhere that If one wasn't like everyone else, If one was different and all, it was straight to the asylum with you. Plus that women in that era had no power at all. This is why I am so glad I don't live in that era and how I feel sorry for Alice. Even tough she's a darn tough and strong girl, no matter all that. To me Alice is very inspiring and probably the character I can relate most to. Perhaps thats the real reason why I idolize her plus that, to be honest, I have my own little Wonderland, and I believe I am not the only one as well.
And indeed like you, I see Alice and her games like a good idea and inspiration I could make use of. How amazing isn't it to be able to help yourself just by adventuring in your own Wonderland, also by dealing with things and finding the truth. And again as you said, that is also the leadrole of AMR, to learn the truth with help from yourself and your own powers, like daydreaming and adventuring in your own mind.
And indeed, you're right. I don't only draw Alice and the things her games cause of they're so darn inspiraing artwise both in story, music and scenery. Indeed, since I am always as down deep in the abyss myself, and can relate to her and the games alot, they inspire me to express myself through them and cope with things by doing that, also by daydreaming like Alice. I am glad you don't find me mad or crazy by doing that! Thank you so much!
Ohh, and how nice to meet a fellow singer!
Oh, and your description of making musicvideos, couldn't have said it better myself!
And of course, even tough I have only two Alice vids up so far but I'll be most certain to make more, I have so many songs in my head to team up with Alice in the future. Here is the link:
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Again, thank you so much! Merry Christmas!
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Me too. And there is so much more I want to show from this area, it's just soooo beautiful. XD
Thank you so much also for your fav!
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