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Here's the colored pic of this one I posted a while back: [link]Street Fighter Saga (c) Capcom
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I love how you drew the Dolls..but you got the colors all wrong..
I'm not trying to be mean but.. Juli and Juli's eyes should be brown, all of the dolls except for cammy wear pants.. theres someother errors but those are the worst I think...
But other than those errors the pic is cute -^_^-
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Markers seem to be your downfall, where the picture is nicely done, the image is hindered by the markers shading.
I'd like to see a computer shaded rendition.
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Its called practice and he's done a lot of it, or how else would he get better at using markers? ANd yeah you can do a CG but whats the point if you can't even use traditional media, some people should master their media correctly before moving onto the next step.
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Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse mwa, I don't even know the guy! So how can I know that he loves one style over another?!?
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maybe you shouldn't assume such and keep your mouth shut
obviously you should think before you comment
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"maybe you shouldn't assume such and keep your mouth shut
obviously you should think before you comment"
Ok, now that was just plain rude, IF you had informed me of the fact that he does have a busy schedule, perhaps this wouldn't have happened.
I thought my posts out before I posted, but I did not count on anyone but responding to this.
*Smartass Mode* As for keeping my mouth shut, I'm just typing and posting, so how am I using my mouth?
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oh and its not smart ass mode, more like yer trying to hard to be a smart ass mode
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If you would like to see a computer shaded rendition you will have to first buy Andy a computer, screen, scanner, tablet (for those brushy effects) and a legit copy of Photoshop as he does not have access to any of those. Then you will have to conquer his hatred of CG and defeat his love of markers.
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Well due to his love of markers, he has lines going across the whole damn picture, and that's what keeps this from reaching it's true potential.
And you don't even need photoshop to make a CG redition of it, gawddamn you're not thinking!
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Actually, you're not thinking. Removing Photoshop from the equation still doesn't make a computer appear. Or scanner, tablet, screen or whichever software to be used instead.
Streakiness is an issue everyone faces when working with markers. It comes with the territory. Like anyone else who is working with any medium Andy is learning to deal with the drawbacks and compensate for them. Demanding he move to CG won't solve his inking and colour issues and only sounds like a slap in the face to someone who would rather work in the way he enjoys.
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___________"Actually, you're not thinking. Removing Photoshop from the equation still doesn't make a computer appear. Or scanner, tablet, screen or whichever software to be used instead.
Streakiness is an issue everyone faces when working with markers. It comes with the territory. Like anyone else who is working with any medium Andy is learning to deal with the drawbacks and compensate for them. Demanding he move to CG won't solve his inking and colour issues and only sounds like a slap in the face to someone who would rather work in the way he enjoys."________________
Uh huh...you still forget the fact that there are people in the world that have computers (so he could spend a little time on their computer CGing stuff, and if he hates it, then tell "Andy" to get his ass in gear and get over it, no one likes bitching), hell he even has access to a scanner and computer, otherwise this page and account wouldn't exist.
Stop making excuses for him, he knows that if he just limits himself to one particular genre and style of art, he'll impair his progress as an artist. So stop bitching and get working. And if you really need to say that he needs Photoshop to do this, then just download a demo and get a hacked serial code for the thing. And you don't need Photoshop for this to be CGed.
And choose your words wisely, you left too many gaps open. And this whole matter was between "Andy" and me, so why the hell did you butt in?
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"(so he could spend a little time on their computer CGing stuff, and if he hates it, then tell "Andy" to get his ass in gear and get over it, no one likes bitching)"
Because "Andy" works full time. I know when I get home from work I'm not interested in a communte to nag a friend to use their computer. I actually don't recall him bitching. It's stating a fact. You seem to be the one who is doing the 'bitching' with your fixation on CG.
"Stop making excuses for him,"
No, I am stating that before you can CG one must have a computer. Even your suggestion of using a friend's computer relies on the assumption that he has friends who have computers capable of handling CG work well who are willing to tolerate him coming over at all hour of the day to spend hours upon hours on their computer which they surely use for work themselves.
"he knows that if he just limits himself to one particular genre and style of art, he'll impair his progress as an artist."
CG is not a style or genera any more than oils, pastels or bronze. If you look at the rest of his gallery you'll notice his style and genera actually are well developed and fixed even, but this has nothing to do with your argument about his need to use CG. Unless you don't like the way he draws, which you have yet to bring up.
"So stop bitching and get working."
Since when did Andy need to follow your orders to make you happy and produce what you want to see? I doubt you would follow any suggestions he (or his two partners on this account, Sorata and 'Fro) delivered in this manner.
"And if you really need to say that he needs Photoshop to do this, then just download a demo and get a hacked serial code for the thing. And you don't need Photoshop for this to be CGed."
Because you steal software doea not obligate Andy to. Same goes for any other software package which requires a liscense.
"And choose your words wisely, you left too many gaps open. And this whole matter was between "Andy" and me, so why the hell did you butt in?"
You're the one who sounds angry when I stand up in defense for my friend. It wasn't even so much defense as stating the facts of the current situation. Andy, whose name you can put in quotations all you want, would surely get the same abusive response out of you that I am. Considering he's the one who takes the actual insult, there's no reason he has to be the one to point out he does what he wants to.
Please understand this with the same respect that most people would pay you in giving you crits which relate to how you do your own work without slamming into the conlusion that what you do is so irriedeemably awful that you need to to switch to something else.
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1st off, I do not steal programs.
2nd off, if you had mentioned the fact that he works full time, I would have gotten the impression that this was a hobby.
3rd off, I said that I would like to see a CGed version, it doesn't necessarily mean that he has to do it. There are people on this site that would probably sell their souls to CG this.
4th off, I in no way wanted to make this an ugly mess, but when I got comments from people that could have been a little more informative, I get two comments about why he doesn't do them. And with previous experiences, I have heard excuses like that, so I assumed that this was a whole cover up or something close to that.
And you still haven't answered my question, if he has no access to a computer, how come he can put his artwork on this account?
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Look at the names under the account. It'll say something like Sorata + Afro + Andy = Zeroa. When he goes to hang out with Sorata and Afro sometimes they'll scan whatever he wants scanned and maybe post it up.
to your 4th point, you said nothing helpful. Like what it was about the use af markers that you didn't like. Was it the colour selection? The methodology for shading itself? The streakiness? The line quality and its relation to the colours? Any suggestions for handling the markers in a way that help improve his marker work? Saying you don't like it and to use CG does not give any insight, which is just saying you'd rather see a CG version is unnacceptable.
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*shakes head* You keep spouting off words, yet you just keep making the same point.
Look, about the picture, you can automatically tell where I'm referring to when I say that the markers overlapped while coloring. That is all I had to say, so let's just stop this bashing of each other.
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All of them look awesome! The ones towards the back are original, I presume.
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too cool, the shadowloo rock!
hey how come you color all your stuff with markers and not on the com?
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I love the way you draw hips, but I would love to see you move away from coloring pencils and into digital coloring, if possible. I think you could push your shading farther and faster that way.
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Baby Andy cries tears of blood everytime someone suggests the photoshop is the solution to everything and as a shortcut to avoid the learning process as it only teaches you how to rely on a crutch without solving any of the actual core issues in art. And it makes me cry that you would dismiss traditional media such as markers in favor of some quick shiney flash.
As for ANDY, he knows I berate him on needing to layer his markers more to get rid of the streakiness that distracts from his line art and that he needs to be more attentive in his inking. HAY ANDY, you listening? XD
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Photoshop isn't the solution to everything, but Andy has pushed his marker skills to the limit, I believe, and digital tools will move the limits out a bit farther for him.
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You have a deviation in your gallery titled "Stop the Madness". I think you should heed that message and stop assuming you know what Andy's limits are. Digital tools don't make good art. There's a whole WORLD of natural media out there. The fact that the first thing out your mouth is "Photoshop" is a poor sign of where your mindset is. Maybe it's time for you to "branch out" and try ceramics... or textiles... or lithography? Anything.
It's one thing to make a suggestion to try other mediums.. but the way you went about it here is some really back-handed shit.
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Well, I'm already finishing a Master's degree at NYU in 3D animation and VFX so I won't be "branching out" any time soon. I will probably pursue natural media at some point though. Somebody here did tell me that the people could be petty here and I didn't believe it...Clearly, I was wrong particularly when there are three people that believe they can speak for someone else to ultimately express their general angst (and probably fear) with regard to digital tools.
ZERO A:
If you don't want to use digital tools you don't have to, it was just a suggestion. But know that if you were making bad art or weren't fluent with light and shade I would not have suggested using digital tools at all.
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Like I said in my previous post, the suggestion to try digital media is not the problem. As was stated by ~canebrake , Andy has been advised to try digital media prior to this. The problem is in making assumptions as to what someone can and can't do. In another year, Andy might be genius with a marker.
It's one thing to suggest trying new things. It's another to suggest trying new things because you infer that he'll never improve at marker work no matter how much more he practices. (reached his limit)
The "angst" and "fear" of using digital coloring methods is not a topic I addressed, so you'll have to redirect that comment elsewhere. (However, it's not as if his attitude on the matter are unfounded...)
And as for the "petty" comment... this isn't petty. It's damned civil so far. This is low tolerance for 'holier-than-thou NYU masters degree almost-get' attitude. You never even bothered to ask what brand of markers he's using or if he's mixing brands, which is known to increase streaking. Just straight into the digtal media. Hell, for all you know, Andy might not even OWN a computer.
Andy will grow and branch out into whatever field he needs to. Only death can determine when his limit is reached. Not a random Deviant leaving a comment on his work.
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And that is where this conversation ulimately dies because in your opinion you believe that using tools that he has no experience in will open a new door for him when in fact, he has already made an impact with traditional tools. No one never really pushes their skills to the limit, that is where you are wrong. In fact, Andy, just like everyone else has much to learn about art.
People should stick to their trade and not move into new things where the feel they don't have experience in. Only hacks use Photoshop to color in work. Remember, Photoshop is used for editing images, that is what its best for, if you want to see people color in line art, ask them to work in Painter or Open Canvas where blending colors is much easier and the use of paint bucket is slim to none.
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If I were Andy I'd be insulted when people told me to give up on what I love doing because they thought I couldn't improve. Do you look at anyone who is working hard to learn a medium and tell them to give up?
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Not so, digital coloring won't solve the problem; just compound it
ANDY!!!!! GIVE US SOME SOLID SOLID SOLID COLORS!!! I DON'T WANNA SEE ANY MORE OF THE /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ SCANLINES OF YOUR MARKER WORK!!! GIVE US SOME BOLD FLATS AND SOME QUALITY SCANS!!! I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT!!!!
-CB
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Psycho Dolls!!!! I love those girls. ^^ You rock!
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Juli up front, now that's what i'm talkin' bout. 8)
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Heheheheh, I don't blame him fer giving them such skimpy uniforms. Sexy.
Awesome job with their forms.
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ah i remember this these girls are so beautifully drawn XD
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Very, very nice work. I wonder why you choose to change the color of Cammy's outfit. Change is good though. Keep up the good work.
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Very sweet. heh isn't that a contradiction in terms?
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I've always prefered the army-type uniforms myself.
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