ChenTheIrken In reply to Colonel-Knight-Rider [2019-08-15 04:56:28 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much! ^^ I really appreciate it.

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Colonel-Knight-Rider In reply to ChenTheIrken [2019-08-15 04:57:07 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome!

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ChenTheIrken In reply to JakarNilson [2019-06-08 06:14:39 +0000 UTC]

No problem! ^^ Great job on the pic!

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ChenTheIrken In reply to Cyborg-Samurai [2018-11-26 21:25:29 +0000 UTC]

No problem at all! ^^

Was it now? Rather fascinating... I suppose that's clearly something they won't teach in the textbooks, though. X3

Honestly, the entire American "Revolution" was a total sham from the start. The colonists needed to pay those taxes because of their contribution to the Seven Year's War, they just fussed up a storm because they simply didn't want to. The deeper we dig, the more dirt we find on this so-called "greatest country in the world"... More an imperialist regime of marauders, if you ask me.

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Cyborg-Samurai In reply to ChenTheIrken [2018-12-09 22:53:26 +0000 UTC]

Agreed. And these patriots (reguardless of nationality) have to act like every think that was ever done in history needs to be justified. These jingoistic conservatives who flex their dicks to other nations think they are "for freedom" but really they are being as self righteous and brainwashed as a North Korean's mindset

Also have you ever watched V for Vendetta? I think you'll love it (it's on Netflix btw)

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ChenTheIrken In reply to Cyborg-Samurai [2018-12-11 03:00:24 +0000 UTC]

Couldn't have said it better myself, honestly. Nationalism is a social disease.

Dude, of course I've seen V for Vendetta! X3 More importantly, I've read the original graphic novel before giving the movie a watch, and both the novel and the film are absolute masterpieces in their own right. ^^ Alan Moore himself, author of V for Vendetta and countless other sequential tales, such as Watchmen, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and Batman: The Killing Joke, happens to be an anarchist, and touched upon themes of anarchism in the V for Vendetta graphic novel, themes which were admittedly watered down in the movie, but still doesn't discredit it too much.

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Cyborg-Samurai In reply to ChenTheIrken [2018-12-15 20:35:35 +0000 UTC]

Dang that sounds badass! (Alan Moonre is one of the best writers to ever live)

Btw you should check out this epic song from Metal Gear Rising: www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vp_4v…  
(the lyrics of this song is a fascism destroyer. Hell the main villain in MGR is a douchy president of America who says he wants to make America great again lol) 

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ChenTheIrken In reply to Cyborg-Samurai [2018-12-20 02:49:04 +0000 UTC]

He truly is, my dude. ^3^ An absolute legend in the sequential arts.

DAMN, that song frickin' claps! X3 And yeah, I'm familiar with Senator Armstrong in Metal Gear Rising, as well as his slightly fascist leanings. That's definitely one more song to add to the Revolution playlist!

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Cyborg-Samurai In reply to ChenTheIrken [2018-12-27 07:36:50 +0000 UTC]

Yeah Sen. Armstrong is probably one of the best villains there is XP
Hideo Kojima is woke af. Hell in MGSV, Snake literally sneaks into Guantanamo Bay to save innocent tortured prisoners and stop Skull Face who's an ethnic cleanser. I also like it how in MGSV Ground Zero it says that Obama has officially dismantled Guantanamo Bay, basically meaning that Obama is a freak'n significant hero in the MGS universe 

oh and also I think you'd love the shit out of this one
youtu.be/87FNULqVQYs
This song actually inspired me to make a scenario in my 2600 Legacy Universe 

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ChenTheIrken In reply to Quasiii [2018-09-18 05:46:11 +0000 UTC]

Well, isn't that an interesting way to find me? X3 Might I ask what your old IZ account was like? I think I might recognize you as well. ^^

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Quasiii In reply to ChenTheIrken [2018-09-18 18:04:28 +0000 UTC]

It was I basically just sold adoptables and chatted with IZ fans.

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ChenTheIrken In reply to Quasiii [2018-09-19 23:26:57 +0000 UTC]

Well, I sadly can't say I recognize you from that account, but I must say, your art is fantastic! You should be very proud of yourself. ^^

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ChenTheIrken In reply to Colonel-Knight-Rider [2018-08-16 04:22:33 +0000 UTC]

Thank you kindly! ^^ Much appreciated!

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Colonel-Knight-Rider In reply to ChenTheIrken [2018-08-16 05:51:08 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome!

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ChenTheIrken In reply to Dave-Sledge-Bro [2018-07-20 23:18:31 +0000 UTC]

Considering the intel I've looked into indicates that they'll be completing ideas that were never resolved during the original run, even after the extra seasons were streamed to Netflix, I say..

... Yay. Good on them.

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Dave-Sledge-Bro In reply to ChenTheIrken [2018-07-21 03:24:22 +0000 UTC]

I tend only following the main movies (plus the side-story ones). I did see some of the Clone Wars animated series, I got kinda bored with it around the end of season 1. I dunno, I only see the films being the only being relevant to the narrative... Then Solo happened and it made me feel like an idiot for believing Darth Maul died in the Phantom Menace.

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ChenTheIrken In reply to Dave-Sledge-Bro [2018-07-22 05:52:35 +0000 UTC]

Oh, I already knew for a long time Maul was never truly dead. It just made me extremely surprised that they actually introduced him into what may presumably be the film canon itself...

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ChenTheIrken In reply to x-nolongeractive [2018-08-16 04:22:19 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much! ^3^ Oh God, it's been forever since you and I last talked, hasn't it? X3 Sorry about that long absence of mine, I'm just not as available on DeviantArt as I used to be...

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ChenTheIrken In reply to shadson [2017-07-02 23:44:03 +0000 UTC]

No problem at all! :3

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ChenTheIrken In reply to MSTieMiss [2017-07-02 23:43:58 +0000 UTC]

No problem! ^^

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ChenTheIrken In reply to UltimateShadow111 [2017-01-15 08:23:56 +0000 UTC]

Holy shit, Nyx?? 8-3 You're alive?

 

WHASSUP??? ^3^ GOD, I've missed you so much... :'3 I bet we have a lot to catch up with, huh? X3 But before we do, may I ask if you have a Skype account at all? Because that's where I usually am online nowadays, so if it's frequency you're looking for in our discussions, I highly recommend Skype as the very platform for such frequency. ^^

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UltimateShadow111 In reply to ChenTheIrken [2017-01-15 19:41:43 +0000 UTC]

Oh god, I think I kicked Skype off my laptop after never using it for years.
What have you been up to though?

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ChenTheIrken In reply to UltimateShadow111 [2017-01-15 23:09:51 +0000 UTC]

Aw, that's a shame. 3: But I'm sure you can at least get it on a mobile device, if you so choose. ^^ 

Oh boy, where to start... X3 Well, assuming it's been at least 2 years since we last spoke, I graduated from high school in May of 2014, I took one year of community college and dropped out after the second semester because the classes were fucking awful and weren't getting me anywhere, then I took a 3-month paid internship at the polymer plant my dad works at, then I took a 40-week film program just a month after that, where I made one experimental short film just about 2 or 3 minutes for practice, as well as a more feature-length short film about 16 or 18 minutes that was eventually shown at a student film festival in Asheville, NC, and after that, I started a job at a local pizza place that I've been working at for about 4 or 5 months now. I intend to meet up with my film program teacher about making a new independently produced short film sometime this month. :3 Those are all the major highlights of my life, anyway. There's plenty of other tidbits in between, regarding my internet life, if you're interested. ^^

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UltimateShadow111 In reply to ChenTheIrken [2017-01-18 14:45:06 +0000 UTC]

I remember you dreaming of becoming a director. ^^ I'm glad you're actually going down that road and wish you the best of luck.

Amusingly enough, I graduated maybe a month after you, but because I was nowhere near as illuminated as you on what I wanted out of life, I joined a voluntary program and worked in a hospital for a year. Which was draining, but very educational. I got into a private university, because my grades aren't good enough for a public one, unfortunately, but I'm studying psychology and I think it's worth it. Even though I just now took on a student loan, because I'd lost my job a while ago and can't seem to find a new one in time and my funds are running out. But that's okay, I don't really mind much.
I also just recently dug up the story I've been writing on like five years ago, if you remember, the one I posted all these pictures of on here and figured I might as well pick up working on that in my free time.  
And sure I'm interested. Hit me.

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ChenTheIrken In reply to UltimateShadow111 [2017-01-19 11:59:12 +0000 UTC]

Aaawww, thanks! ^3^ That really does mean a lot, especially from an old friend. :3

Psychology's definitely an intriguing subject. ^^ It definitely comes to mind when I think of alternate career paths I could take, like a novelist or a journalist, or maybe a straight-up cartoonist. I mean, I do have intentions of bringing some cartooning work to the big screen via animated films, so that kinda counts for something in that department, but mostly for me, cartooning is more just a hobby. I could expand upon it if I really wanted to... but I digress. Sorry to hear about losing your job, though. 3: I really hope things turn around for the best for you very soon.
Oh God, speaking of stories, how long has it been since I last worked on Chen's autobiography? XD I always intended for that to be my final farewell to my major involvement in my IZ-fandom life, but that very life sort of dissolved into itself before I ever had the chance. I mean, isn't it the most goddamn bittersweet thing when the series is technically kinda-sorta revived in comic book form, but at that point, the fandom is practically dead, and all your fandom friends have gone their separate ways? And speaking of which, you caught up with any of the comic series? :3 If so, what are your thoughts on it?

Weeeeeelllllll, there's been a whole lot on my alternate DA account that's been going on, more or less; lots of friends made, LOTS of artwork made, a small few brief drama events ranging from mass art takedown/censorship to swarms of trolls harassing me and defaming my image, the list goes on. I'd be glad to be more specific about that in further detail if you're curious to hear. ^^ 

My cinematic and nerdy interests have also very much expanded, and I must definitely note that two of the most significant new fandoms I've become involved in is Transformers (the REAL Transformers, not the godawful Michael Bay movies) and DC comics superheroes, especially Superman, and especially regarding the DCCU/DCEU (DC Cinematic Universe/DC Extended Universe). That's a whole other topic in itself, though. X3 I could literally go on for hours about that... Oh yeah, and I think Rick and Morty is now my #1 favorite cartoon, with Invader Zim coming in at a VERY close second, but still holding a very special place in my heart, seeing as it was the singlemost influential show of my entire fucking teenhood and all. XD

Oh, and in regards to other irl things, the most important one I have to note, aside from what I already mentioned, is that my girlfriend and I are coming very close to our 4-year anniversary since the official start of our relationship!! February 17, to be exact. ^^ We're still getting plans together for it, and so far, dinner plans are very simple, just this tiny little sushi bar with an all-you-can-eat dinner option that we've been to before. She LOVES sushi and Japanese food. X3 And I certainly don't blame her, that shit's awesome. I mean, honestly, her and I have connected more meaningfully than I could have ever hoped to have connected with anyone else in my entire life, and mere mortal words can't even begin to describe how much I truly love her from my very core, and how grateful I am that my life has been blessed by her...

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UltimateShadow111 In reply to ChenTheIrken [2017-01-20 23:29:45 +0000 UTC]

It's so nice to hear that. ^^ I am constantly overwhelmed when I reconnect with old friends and kind of realize that they have been living their own lives all this time, it's a fact you often overlook since you're focused on your own life and that of people in your immediate vicinity. Out of sight out of mind, I'm afraid.
I haven't given up on writing, in fact, I've done a lot more writing in English to refine my multilingual skills, if I can even call it that and I've sort of kept drawing on the side as well. 
Major fandoms I've been in have been Gravity Falls, of course and Homestuck, being the more recent addition. Of course, Invader Zim will always hold a special place in my heart, but I haven't had a chance to check out the comics. Personally, I blame shipping costs. And the fact that I'm stingy. 
I'm more of a MCU gal myself, but I did drag my boyfriend into Suicide Squad and don't get why everyone hates on the new Joker. I think he's done a well job, considering the amount of screen time that was given to him and the fact that most scenes with him were quite literally shoehorned in to justify the presence of material from the trailer, I guess.
My boyfriend and I have just recently crossed the six months, but seeing how he's the one who motivated me to dig up my writings and dust them off, I'm quite happy to have such a supportive partner myself. ^^  I can't get him to eat sushi though. Not yet, anyway. I did get him into tuna steaks though, so that's a start.
Congratulations on you and your girlfriend though! I'm really happy to hear that.
I should check Rick & Morty out, I've been meaning to anyway. It had little Bill Ciphers and Alex Hirsch starring in it, after all. Admittedly, the art style with the weird pupils puts me off just a tad.
Oh, I've never stopped roleplaying, too. After YouTube forced everyone on Google+, I've just been hanging out on there like the sheep I am. I did Roleplay as the very same Bill Cipher and managed to gain over 6,000 followers. Shame I can't expect plus points for putting that on my resume though.

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ChenTheIrken In reply to UltimateShadow111 [2017-01-26 20:18:33 +0000 UTC]

The feeling is indeed mutual, dear Nyx... X3 It's just so good to hear from you again. ^^ 

Good to hear you've been keeping those creative endeavors fresh and up to date! :3 I have been too, to a certain degree. I'm technically more productive on that on my alternate account, even starting a story series over there as well, if you're interested in reading what I have so far.

Oh damn, I STILL need to catch up on Gravity Falls. XD At least I've managed to avoid crucial spoilers for that show, unlike Steven Universe, which the goddamn internet won't be the slightest twinge discreet about! XP Sorry to hear you haven't been able to catch up on the comics, though. 3: If you need to catch up on them at a more rapid pace, I highly suggest ordering the compilation volumes, of which there are 3 so far. ^^ Here's the Amazon link to that, just so you know what I'm talking about: www.amazon.com/Invader-Zim-1-J… ;

Yeah, I agree that the hate for Jared Leto's Joker is highly unjustified, and is nothing more than a result of the anti-DC bandwagon that so many idiots mindlessly climb onto. XP My affinity for DC and the DCEU in particular have made me a lot more critical of Marvel and the MCU lately, but I still enjoy the MCU depending on how well the product is. I liked Civil War okay at first, but hated it the more and more I critically thought about it. Needless to say, Batman v Superman is far superior to Civil War in just about every way... But I still LOVED Spider-Man in Civil War. ^3^ Can't wait for Homecoming to come out! Oh, and Doctor Strange was very good also. :3 But let's face it, Benedict Cumberbatch is FAR too talented for the MCU. XD He's playing Steven Strange in his sleep!

Aww, so glad to hear things are going well for you guys! ^^ My brother doesn't like sushi either. X3 He wanted to try it at one point, but didn't like it at all when he finally did try it. I heartily enjoy sushi myself, and my girlfriend loves the living shit out of sushi and Japanese food altogether. XD She wants us to go to a Japanese place for our upcoming 4-year anniversary, and I certainly don't see why not. ^^

Oh dear Christ, you REALLY should check out Rick and Morty!! 8-3 It's got some of the best elements of the greatest sci-fi entities ever created while still standing out as its own unique thing! And yes, there is an actual connection between Rick and Morty and Gravity Falls. XD It's no more than an Easter egg's mention, but it's there, trust me. And don't worry about the pupils, you'll get used to it easier than you think...

Wow, Google Plus is really that useful? o.o Who knew? XD I haven't stopped RPing either, but I don't do it as often as I used to, and it's definitely been ages since I last pulled the strings to Chen and his friends... I believe the most recent time I did so was with Aris, when her and I RPed out the wedding between our two OCs, which deliberately mirrored A Canterlot Wedding, because reasons. X3 Would you like to see the Google Doc of it I have saved?

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UltimateShadow111 In reply to ChenTheIrken [2017-01-27 14:30:26 +0000 UTC]

Okay, I'm afraid this means war now.
Batman V Superman a superior movie? I'm willing to grant it superiority over most X-Men movies, but better than Civil War? Go back to sleep.

I'm on vacation now anyway and got sufficient amounts of time on my hands to marathon it, so why not. I've heard only good things about Rick & Morty, after all. The creator did go to CalArts with Alex Hirsch and some others, hence the crossovers. He even voices a character in GF and Alex returned the favor - I've actually watched that episode, too. The one with the alien marriage counseling.

As for G+, they have literally changed their interface like three days ago, typical Google move, if you recall, but other than that, it's still a fun enough platform. It has memes now.
And sure, why not. It might take me on a trip down memory lane. ^^ 

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ChenTheIrken In reply to UltimateShadow111 [2017-01-28 05:58:32 +0000 UTC]

Oh dear me, triggering a longtime friend was the last thing I had in mind! XD But I'm afraid I'll have to maintain my position on this, dear Nyx. I have a list of reasons as to why I say Batman v Superman is superior to Civil War, if you're interested in reading them... and then immediately attempt to debunk them, if you so choose. X3 I welcome a friendly debate of cinematic topics anytime, especially among friends. ^^ And speaking of which, I think you'll love to hear this... Ever since I solidified Zack Snyder as one of my all-time favorite directors, I've come to appreciate Sucker Punch a lot more for what it was trying to be, and I no longer consider it one of the worst movies I've ever seen. It's just my least favorite Zack Snyder film, is all. Besides, he's got plenty of other awesome films under his belt, i.e. 300, Watchman, Man of Steel, Dawn of the Dead (which I still have yet to see), and Legends of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole! And lemme tell ya, THAT definitely has to be one of the greatest animated masterpieces I've EVER seen in my life, right up there with Hunchback of Notre Dame!

Oh, I never knew Alex was in that one! XD Cool! Though I know which GF episode Justin Roiland was in... Land Before Swine, right? He was that baby-backpack salesman on TV. X3 "It works for PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGS!!" XDDDDDD And trust me, if that moment had you in as many stitches as it did for me, you are gonna LOVE the Interdimensional Cable episodes of Rick and Morty! ;D It's honestly the best excuse for Justin to get piss-drunk and go off on some insanely hilarious bits of improv! X3

You don't say? o.o I think I might actually have to give it a try! Perhaps one day, you and I could meet up there, and you could show me the ropes of how everything works there, as a start?

You got it, bud! ^3^ docs.google.com/document/d/1Nt… Just a reminder though, you'll have to read it starting from the bottom and go up from there. X3 I'm sorry I have it formatted weird, it just came out that way when I copied and pasted the whole RP from the DA notes Aris and I did...

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UltimateShadow111 In reply to ChenTheIrken [2017-01-29 14:41:56 +0000 UTC]

I'm afraid the disagreement is much more fundamental than that. I can respect your opinion, but my opinion of your opinion is subsequently not the highest then.
If you truly appreciate a story that has to resort to deus ex-ing its way out of its predicament by having people bond over something as stupid as the first name of their mother, spoils its entire plot by showing off too much material in the trailers and, in typical DC fashion, has a runtime of 3 hours, which habitually puts me in a coma, started internetwide riots over its choice in casting and had its stars reactions to its failure become a meme, that's your damage. 

Sure, but if I do, you gotta watch Gravity Falls and brace your Gravity Feels for the impact. Justin does a lot more voicing than that, even a recurring character. You should really find out for yourself.  

It's fortunately really easy, but again, the PC interface is awful as of right now.

And I'll read it then, thanks. ^^ 

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ChenTheIrken In reply to UltimateShadow111 [2017-02-01 07:39:26 +0000 UTC]

Very well, sounds like a fair enough exchange. But I must ask you this... Is the story you speak of really all that worse than a particular story that involves killing off the coolest villain in the movie far too soon, a hypocritical government that casts the blame of civilian casualties on the heroes who defeated the villains who caused those casualties to begin with, a main villain who is not only the worst villain misrepresentation in the MCU since the Mandarin, but also has an entirely incoherent and convoluted scheme that requires entirely too much on luckily-timed coincidence (i.e. the Sokovia Accords happening as a result of one accidental and easily preventable civilian casualty in the opening, the Avengers splitting because of said Accords, disguising himself perfectly as Bucky to frame him for the assassination of the king of Wakanda, impersonating a psychiatrist and breaching security to activate the Winter Soldier even though he has no idea what the psychiatrist looks like or if the real psychiatrist will come in at any other time, getting Cap, Tony and Bucky to all come to the same island at once, unearthing just the right footage of Tony's parents being murdered by Bucky that was impossibly filmed from multiple angles in the middle of fucking nowhere, the list goes on) and stems from acting on the government's same mistake of blaming the heroes for the villains' crimes (in this case, blaming the Avengers for the death of his family in Sokovia, which was all Ultron's fault), botching the two main heroes' motivations for the dispute over the Sokovia Accords, in the sense that while Cap's motivation should have been to defend the identity rights of superheroes, he just selfishly wants to keep his 70-year-old butt buddy Bucky from getting punished by the governments hunting him down, and also in the sense that while Tony's motivation should have been maintaining security for both heroes and civilians alike by complying with the government's oversight, all that proves to be is a big ruse to cover his cowardly, insecure ass and try his hardest not to look like the total fraud he's been devolving into ever since Iron Man 3, which is even more evident by the fact that he practically goes against the Sokovia Accords by partially inciting the in-fighting that splits apart the Avengers, which was never on the government's account to begin with, completely and entirely ignoring the narrative brilliance of the original comic book source material in favor of a half-assed Captain America sequel that has as little to do with the original Civil War storyline as possible, and worst of all, amounting to an entirely pointless installment in the MCU, since the main point of it, breaking the Avengers apart, is entirely inert and a big waste of time solely from observing the fact that the Avengers are just going to get back together to fight Thanos in Infinity War??

(pants heavily)   ... So yeah, that's my two cents on Civil War. I'm not asking you to change your mind or anything, but I hope what I have to say at least gets you thinking on it. Besides, I will admit that Spider-Man was fucking AWESOME in it. ^3^ I'm SO looking forward to Homecoming!  

As for your concerns for BvS, I very easily have the answers to remedy them.

See, Superman and Batman never teamed up simply because both their moms' first name is Martha. That's a misconception everyone apparently seems to have, and the truth of the matter is far more deep than that. See, the film already tells you several times via visual cues and aesthetic storytelling (just a small couple of Zack Snyder's long list of talents) that Batman's been going down a very dark descent in his crime-fighting endeavors in Gotham, even to the point that he admits to Alfred, "We're criminals... always have been." The catalyst for the start of this particular dark descent is shown simply in one visual... Robin's desecrated outfit, tainted by the Joker's graffiti, which clearly implicates that Robin was murdered by the Joker; whether or not this particular Robin was Jason Todd, like in the comics, has yet to be revealed in the timeline of the DCEU, but I digress. Since the loss of his beloved sidekick, Batman's been a lot more brutal with the criminal scum he hunts down, even going as far as to brand them, which equates to an instant death sentence if those criminals become incarcerated. Now Superman is a huge deal, and because Bruce believes Superman was responsible for the casualties in the WayneTech tower in Metropolis, that began his deep-rooted hatred of Superman, which he definitely isn't alone in sharing with a considerable portion of the populace. He's only taking things further by systematically planning out bringing Superman down for what he believes is for the good of all mankind, as it will be the only thing he does that matters, as he says himself. Now, when he actually has this superpowered alien's throat under his boot, about to skewer him with a kryptonite spear, and even saying earlier, and I quote, "You were never a god... you were never even a man," Superman proves that very quote wrong by bringing up one particular trigger word that instantly teleports Batman back to the very moment of his initial conception... the moment that haunted him throughout his entire life from that point on... the death of his parents. This is something that none of the villains he's fought have ever been able to touch, and it weakens him psychologically. Once he realizes, thanks to Lois, that Martha happens to be the name of Superman's (adoptive) mother as well, Batman realizes that his dark descent has brought him as low as to match the very criminal who ended up creating the Batman to begin with, Joe Chill. Batman, in that moment, has essentially become the very thing that he swore to destroy, a criminal with the intent of rendering a boy- not even a boy, but a being who he previously believed to not even be human, but can't possibly be inhuman if he has a mother- into an orphan sheerly out of selfishness and bloodlust, and if he crosses that line and makes that happen, there is no going back, and he will have permanently failed the purpose of his existence. Batman, in that moment, found redemption, and it was thanks to Superman that he found his way again. That's a kindness so immeasurable that he could only repay him for it by saving his dear mother from the peril she was roped into. Seems like a pretty solid reason to bond to me.

You do realize BvS isn't the only movie to have its entire plot spoiled in the trailers, right? Terminator 2, Free Willy, From Dusk Til Dawn, Cast Away, Spider-Man 3, Children of Men, Chinatown, Carrie (both the original and the shitty remake), Total Recall, and Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, among many others, are sorely guilty of this, and their quality isn't necessarily diminished by that. It's not really much of a reason to demean the film to begin with. And besides, there's several key components of the plot that were never given away in the trailers to begin with, such as Lex coordinating the capitol bombing, where the kryptonite came from, why entirely Batman wanted to fight Superman, why Superman ever remotely wanted to fight Batman, where Wonder Woman came from, how exactly Superman and Batman team up after their fight to take out Doomsday, etc.

I'm sorry, but since when was 3 hours ever considered "typical DC fashion"? That's the run time of the Ultimate Edition, the definitive vision of the film that Zack Snyder originally intended, the version that Warner Brothers didn't want to risk theatrically releasing, so they hastily cut out the more crucial scenes to the Daily Planet investigations, both on Clark and Lois' part, among a few other key scenes that helped the plot flow a lot easier. The run time for the theatrical release was 2 hours and 31 minutes exactly, which you could still argue could be too long for you personally, but is besides the point anyway.

The casting choice riots were only over two crucial characters, and both took place before the movie even came out, so it's not the film's fault for that. The internet has themselves to blame. And besides, they were sorely proven wrong with just how badass and characteristically definitive Ben Affleck turned out as Batman. Fuck, even Jesse Eisenberg ends up being a damn GREAT precursor to the modern Lex Luthor we all know; in a sense, BvS is a Lex origin story, and it is bloody fantastic at exactly that.

Failure in relation to what? Its score on Rotten Tomatoes? I learned a very long time back that the cancerous, beyond-biased website in question is NOT to be trusted, as it is so far removed from proper film criticism in favor of pleasing whatever studios in power pay them off under the table to praise or badmouth any movie of their choosing. Their trashing of BvS was just the final nail in the coffin for me. Plus, if you're referring to financial failure, that's also false, considering that despite all the insane fuss everyone made over its supposed 69% drop in its second week (despite the fact that Civil War dropped 74% in its second week, respectively, and absolutely nobody gave a fuck about it), it still made very well over $166 million in its opening weekend alone, record-breaking enough to put many an MCU movie to shame. And eventually, it accrued nearly $855 million worldwide. In order for a film to be a marginal success, it has to earn back at least twice the amount of its budget. BvS' budget was $250 million. I think we both know the math speaks for itself, doesn't it? As for the memes, those images of the actors were taken out of context. If anything, they were still pretty damn proud of what they had accomplished.

Alright, I swear I'm done talking about BvS now. I already took up enough space here as it is...

Oooohhh, I really should!! 8-3 I guess my only problem is finding an accessible venue to watch Gravity Falls in its entirety... Know of any good websites it might be on? I can't afford to wait forever for it to finally arrive to Netflix. XD

Eh, can't be any more awful than YouTube's constant format changes. X3 I've learned to adapt to those fairly easily, so it shouldn't be that hard. ^^

Great! You're most certainly welcome! Hope you enjoy it. ^^

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UltimateShadow111 In reply to ChenTheIrken [2017-02-01 13:47:22 +0000 UTC]

Nope.
Civil War is still the better movie, thanks.
A simple lesson in humans: They don't always do what they should or what would be the most logical. And it's called the Marvel Cinematic Universe and not Marvel Comic Universe, though they would comically both be abbreviated with MCU, so you always have to take it with a grain of salt, everybody knows the movies don't live up to the books, that's common sense, dude.

God, I can't believe I've read that when I haven't even watched the movie. Snyder's Batman trilogy was 3 hours per movie, I believe and I can't remember those at all and BvS is apparently around that same runtime. So, yeah. Whatever.
I think you're taking this whole thing far too serious.
And I still don't see the point in watching a movie, better yet, spending a small fortunate in theaters to watch a movie the trailers have spoiled for me, personally, in its entirety. Have you never watched Wheel of Fortune, it's not that hard to fill in the blanks, just pick a random trope of your choosing.
The one credit I'm willing to give that movie is that apparently, due to his descent into darkness, Batman punched out the Joker's teeth to recompense for his killed Boy Wonder sidekick, which is why Jared Leto's Joker's teeth look as weird as they do in Suicide Squad.

Regardless, I just happen to like the Marvel movies better. There's no accounting to taste, I'm afraid and the heart isn't so easily persuaded. Besides, I just don't care for dark and gritty movies. I prefer my escapes from reality to be less depressing than the reality I'm trying to take a break from, after all. And you have to admit, Zack Snyder likes his movies with the darkest Instagram filters he can find pasted all over.
Plus, as interesting as the recurring motiv of "Man vs God" that usually describes the central conflict of his works is, it kind of gets old after a while, if you watch his movies with that thought in mind.

I'd recommend watchcartoononline com, they have the show in its entirety and the quality is pretty high.

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ChenTheIrken In reply to UltimateShadow111 [2017-02-13 20:13:54 +0000 UTC]

Heya, sorry about that delay. God, did reality bite me in the ass... XP Or more specifically, my work schedule. I hope I didn't get you thinking I didn't want to talk to you over our little civil debate, because all I've really wanted to do for the longest time is pick this discussion back up again! XD

If you're really content with the MCU as it is, I certainly can't fault you for that. For me, when I turn my brain off, Civil War is fairly fun to watch in certain areas, and I fucking LOVED Spider-Man in it, as I've already expressed. X3 Plus, if I haven't said it already, Black Panther's character arc was pretty solid, and I was impressed with how well it held up in the whole thing. ^^ I'm marginally keeping an eye out to see how his solo movie plays out, especially with the king of mo-cap acting himself, Andy Serkis, playing a rare irl role as Black Panther's arch-villain, Ulysses Klawe! ... I mean, he already had a cameo as Klawe in Age of Ultron, but we have yet to see his actual character unfold. X3 

Wait, you didn't actually see BvS?? o.o I could've sworn you did, with the way you pinpointed most of its crucial plot points like that, albeit in the same dismissive manner as everyone wrongfully badmouthing it. But hey, you never actually had any intention to see it anyway, so you can thank me for saving you the time. XD

Though you confused Snyder with Nolan when you mentioned the Batman trilogy... and each of those movies amounts to approximately 2 hours and 30 minutes, not 3 hours each. Batman Begins was 2 hours 20 minutes, The Dark Knight was 2 hours 30 minutes, and The Dark Knight Rises was 2 hours 45 minutes, actually longer than BvS was. Theaters don't normally willingly release 3-hour movies, especially not if they're superhero movies.

Of course the "book is better" argument will always be present when it comes to film adaptations, and rarely is there ever an exception to it, like with Stanley Kubrick's take on The Shining, or The Godfather, or Stand By Me, or The Prestige, or the film adaptation of Misery... fuck, that's 3 Steven King-based movies all in the same list. XD But I digress. I think the case is just a little different for comic book movies, and whereas I've seen some horrendous cases of comic-inaccuracy in the MCU, i.e. fucking up villains like the Mandarin, Malekith the Accursed or Baron Zemo, nerfing Tony Stark's alcoholism to the point that's it's more of a joke than it is a serious inner demon of his, having Tony invent Ultron instead of Hank Pym, Rhodey wearing the Iron Patriot suit instead of Norman Osborne, and Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch being "miracles" instead of mutants born as the children of Magneto, to name a few. Of course, those last two were issues of copyright, so think of those what you will. I mean, if all comic book movies cared as little for comic-accuracy as the MCU does, that would be one thing, but the DCEU has set a whole new bar with respecting its source material by not only drawing from some of the best aspects of it, but also using them to build up a completely original ongoing story, one that actually has a consistent narrative flow with its respective films. I think the best example of this has to be with how they utilized Doomsday, and actually made the Death of Superman deserving and not forced in the slightest. In the comics, the Death of Superman was nothing more than a desperate attempt to boost comic sales, and came relatively out of nowhere. In BvS, sacrificing himself and saving all of humanity yet again was Superman's point of redemption, to ultimately fulfill his destiny as mankind's beacon of hope, to sway the naysayers into realizing that he was here for as pure of a purpose as possible. And then there's the glorious amount of pin-point comic accuracy in nearly the entirety of Suicide Squad, where we've finally gotten the big-screen debuts of long-time greats in the DC universe such as Amanda Waller, Killer Croc, Enchantress, Captain Boomerang, Deadshot, Katana, Diablo, and Harley fucking Quinn. GOD, was she PERFECT. /)^3^(\ ... Point is, if DC can be this remarkably faithful to their source material, I don't think Marvel has any excuse not to at least try to do the same.

Yeah, it's perfectly fair to say I'm taking this very seriously. And I admit that I am because I feel VERY passionate about all of this. The DCEU really means something to me, and I don't think the backlash against it is fair or accurate in the slightest. If anything, it should be receiving a hell of a lot more praise for the truly great strides it's taking in superhero movie history. I certainly don't want to have as big of a problem with the MCU as I now do, but the massive wave of pro-Marvel sheep hating on the DCEU (or sometimes even DC in general), mostly out of sheer ignorance or blindly following the hack pseudo-critics at Rotten Tomatoes has made me a lot more jaded and hardened in how I view these films critically. I just don't get why these two entities can't just make their own movies as they are without all this heated, controversial bullshit going on...

Arguably, dark and gritty is very hard to get just right when it's put to film, and only a small few master filmmakers have succeeded in accomplishing this grandiose feat, particularly Christopher Nolan and Zack Snyder. They know how to take proper advantage of the medium and use it to drive home a very powerful point instead of just being gritty for grittiness' sake. It's a niche subgenre, and for those who want to escape how bleak reality already is, I totally understand if these darker movies aren't their cup of tea. For me, when a film can use a fictional setting imitating reality to the point of critiquing that very reality and helping us get through it stronger than we were before, instead of just merely escaping it for a couple of hours, that's a lot more cinematically impressive. As for Zack Snyder in particular, his films may appear visually darker on the surface, but if you look really closely, his eye for a unique color palate and dramatic lighting is quite impeccable. The range he can work with in a specific aesthetic is nothing short of amazing. And as far as I'm concerned, the only other movie he's directed that has a "man vs god" motif has to be 300, but that was a lot more one-sided of a story, with the god, Xerxes, being a straight-up bad guy. In BvS, it's hero vs hero, and the moral ambiguity makes the conflict a lot more intriguing.

Thanks so much for the suggestion, by the way! I'll get to binging the series as soon as I possibly can! ^3^ Looking forward to it!

By the way, I noticed on your NyxNocturnus account that it's your birthday, so if that's the case, HAPPY BIRTHDAY NYX!!!  

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UltimateShadow111 In reply to ChenTheIrken [2017-02-24 01:00:46 +0000 UTC]

Don't worry about it. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me for the delay as well.

One of the most prominent issues in the MCU is probably their copyright issues. Them not having the rights to all characters at their disposal and of course the difficulty of creating a villain over the course of multiple movies, I'm afraid Thanos is gonna get his butt handed to him in one single movie as well, but that's the difficulty between writing for a movie and writing for an ongoing series with multiple episodes, especially when you have multiple writers working on a lot of franchises that are tied into one connected universe. It's hard, I'm sure.

As for my disdain for the Dark Knight  trilogy, my boyfriend is having none of it, so soon enough I'll be forced to rewatch at least somma that. :I
Perhaps I'll revision my opinion then. Or not. Only time will tell.
I realized I got them mixed up as well later, I'm sorry. Names have never been my forte.

Also, that's just the birthday of the character Nyx, but thank you. ^^

Now for something much happier, for Valentine's Day, I've watched the Lego Batman movie and I'm going to admit that it's a glorious 10/10, no discussions there. Very romantic, too.
I just like happy movies better than dark and gritty.

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ChenTheIrken In reply to UltimateShadow111 [2017-02-24 15:04:44 +0000 UTC]

Oh, it's no trouble at all! :3 I'm just happy to hear you're alright. ^^

Personally, in terms of copyright, I'd personally prefer that the MCU keeps their hands off the X-Men, since their own cinematic series has had pretty solid footing in their own right, even giving way to projects that Disney would NEVER approve of, such as Deadpool and Logan. But I'm dearly hoping the MCU can reclaim the Fantastic Four, because no matter what, Fox has always managed to fuck them up royally. XP I kinda had the idea that the MCU's introduction to the Fantastic Four could actually be a Dr. Doom origin movie entitled "Von Doom", with the majority of the movie focusing on Dr. Doom's rise as a supervillain and his acquisition of ruling the nation Latveria, but he'd still be the bad guy throughout, and the Fantastic Four would appear as necessary to beat him in the end. I have faith the MCU will improve in their comic-accuracy from looking at what they intend to do with Spider-Man, so hopefully that idea may come into play.

In any case, your perspective on the whole spectrum of superhero movies is your own, as is your decision to revise it as necessary as the medium continually evolves. Perhaps being so open with you about my passionate defense of the DCEU just goes to show how much I trust in confiding with you as a friend, in the hopes that you understand, even if you don't agree. :3 And even if it's been forever since we've spoken with each other, at that. I've just really missed you, and I sincerely hope we can stay connected as friends.

I 100% concur there, The Lego Batman Movie was absolutely PERFECT. ^3^ No doubt the best satirical introspect at Batman yet! I may personally love The Lego Movie a little bit more, but The Lego Batman Movie still hits it out of the park! Oh boy, what to quote from that movie first... X3 So many options!

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UltimateShadow111 In reply to ChenTheIrken [2017-02-25 22:19:42 +0000 UTC]

I'm sorry for completely forgetting. ^^ 

I agree though, the Fant4stic was a disaster. It had some potential, but completely fucked it uppp.
As for your Doom-centric idea, I like the narrative of giving more focus to the antagonist, which usually wind up being the more interesting characters anyway. Or often. Write the staff and tell them to let you direct it, debut, get mad internet cred and become super famous.

I'm glad you think so. I agree, it's nice to have discussions with someone who doesn't necessarily share your opinion, but doesn't do the internet thing of yelling and overreacting over not having their opinion acknowledged at such. It's refreshing. ^^ 

The Joker was the best part. His facial expressions were amazing. My favorite part was the "Who's the (Bat)man song", I guess. Also, every time Batman screamed "BARBARA".

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ChenTheIrken In reply to UltimateShadow111 [2017-02-25 23:25:52 +0000 UTC]

No no, it's perfectly alright. X3 I don't mind. :3

What's worse about Fant4stic's failure is that originally, the director had a much better product in mind, but because of studio disagreements, they actually barred the director from the editing studio and mashed the movie together the way they saw fit, turning what originally could have been the first truly great Fantastic Four movie into an absolute abomination. As an aspiring director myself, that sounds like a total nightmare to me. I feel so bad for that guy... 

I'm very glad you like it! I totally agree, and in Doom's case, he has a LOT to focus on, which no movie studio has ever even thought about giving him before. Plus, it would be quite refreshing to see an origin movie that doesn't focus on the heroes' origins all that much, which is partly why I'm excited for Spider-Man: Homecoming, because they don't bother with that bullshit for the millionth time. X3 I'd imagine that somewhere in the middle of Von Doom, the Fantastic Four's origin story would be briefly glossed over in a 30-second cartoon opening, panning out to the Fantastic Four's headquarters, adorned with gallons of merchandise in their name, establishing that they've been in the game for quite a while now, and that they don't have a problem banking on it. This would, in turn, give them a chance at some interesting character development when they have to go up against Doom for the first time, realizing that being heroes isn't as much of a game as they thought it to be.

That's a very tempting idea to start my career on... X3 I actually do have more solid ideas on films I really do want to make as a director, such as a much-needed Transformers reboot, as well as an alternate-historical action film entitled Valeriya. I may or may not have told you about either of those, so if you'd like to hear about them either way, let me know. :3 I'd love to go into detail about them!

Refreshing indeed, my friend. ^3^ It does quite a bit of good in putting yourself in check and realizing that everyone's different, and we can all get along like civilized human beings all the same. It's an exercise I kinda wish I could partake in more often...

Oh yes, the Joker was hilarious!! X3 Not necessarily the best Joker I've ever seen (that spot is tied with Heath Ledger and Mark Hamill), but the perfect kind of Joker required for this film to work. ^^ And OH HOLY FUCK YES, that song and sequence had my inner 8-year-old bouncing with uncontrollable giddiness!! XDDD Just... mmmmph SO FUCKING COOOOOOOL!!! 8-3

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