Fang2700 In reply to SpiderChicken [2008-08-31 05:22:01 +0000 UTC]

ok cool. I havent been on in a while so ill add u tomorrow.

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SpiderChicken In reply to Fang2700 [2008-09-02 02:51:48 +0000 UTC]

my brawl friend roster said you were on today at like ten in the morning (pacific time) ...and i was like...how am i gonna tell him i want to brawl? lol. and i dont get it. long live concrete?

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Fang2700 In reply to SpiderChicken [2008-09-14 19:09:38 +0000 UTC]

Lol I don't kno I was bored Im going to change it again soon.

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Fang2700 In reply to alder-sketch [2008-07-27 00:27:24 +0000 UTC]

I do have originality, check the the back of gallery...

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alder-sketch In reply to Fang2700 [2008-07-27 00:35:05 +0000 UTC]

why does that matter? a few pet photos doesnt take away the fact that half your gallery is somebody else's work

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Fang2700 In reply to alder-sketch [2008-07-27 00:38:20 +0000 UTC]

how is it somebody elses work? I took a picture of it? Shouldn't it count as MY work? and just so you know, I don't draw,because I can't my friend does...so I upload screenshots+photos...and why dont you go after the master90210 hes annoying and spams on everything I put in.

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alder-sketch In reply to Fang2700 [2008-07-27 00:45:40 +0000 UTC]

no it definitely should not count as YOUR work. taking a screenshot is not art in any way. did you design those video games? did you render the graphics? no you didnt, so it isnt your work. if i were to take a photograph of the mona lisa, would that mean the mona lisa would then be mine? no, no it wouldnt. the same concept applies here.

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Fang2700 In reply to alder-sketch [2008-07-27 00:47:21 +0000 UTC]

good point...so do I have to delete the screenshots? Or just not upload any more.

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alder-sketch In reply to Fang2700 [2008-07-27 00:48:46 +0000 UTC]

delete them and dont upload them any more, simple as that. heh... i just wish other people on here were as co-operative as you

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Fang2700 In reply to alder-sketch [2008-07-27 00:51:08 +0000 UTC]

Do I have to delete all of them...or some? Because it took me about 2 hours to upload that stuff.

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alder-sketch In reply to Fang2700 [2008-07-27 00:53:08 +0000 UTC]

yeah, all of them. it may seem tough but you shouldnt have uploaded them in the first place

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Fang2700 In reply to alder-sketch [2008-07-27 00:55:08 +0000 UTC]

...other people put screenshots on this site...why can't I have a few?

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alder-sketch In reply to Fang2700 [2008-07-27 00:57:57 +0000 UTC]

cos it's against the rules. point me to these "other people" and i'll say the same to them.

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PrinnyDance In reply to alder-sketch [2008-07-27 01:36:51 +0000 UTC]

In fact let me help you- [link]

Here.1230 under that particular search, and theyre all screenshots. That should keep your little heart happy for a while, no?

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Red-Bananas In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-30 00:03:04 +0000 UTC]

Why are you standing up for this guy?!

Like =DeMaulwurfn and ~alder-sketch already told you, screenshots of someone else's work is not an artform, infact, it's art theft.

And if you can't get that into your strange little mind, then get off dA and never come back. That would save us from at least ONE retard.

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PrinnyDance In reply to Red-Bananas [2008-07-30 00:29:42 +0000 UTC]

I'm defending him merely because I know he's a good person and a nice one. He's being relentlessly bashed about something he wasn't previously aware of and nobody seems to want to just let him go about his own business. He's been warned, and thats just about all you can do now isn't it? Let him handle it- unless you intend to go into his account and remove the pictures yourself.

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Red-Bananas In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-30 00:48:40 +0000 UTC]

I'm not bashing him, I'm doing nothing of the sort. I'm just wondering why you stand up for art-thieves. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy and everything.
But ~alder-sketch warned him 3 days ago and his gallery is still full of it.

And I may not be able to remove them myself, but I can still report them and have them removed in a day and who knows about the consequences that follow.

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PrinnyDance In reply to Red-Bananas [2008-07-30 01:09:04 +0000 UTC]

I know you aren't - they were. It's not their job or yours to monitor what he does with his gallery- I can't figure out why it bothers you guys so much honestly. Just report them and let whatever happens happen- you've done what you see fit and thats that...

Besides, I wouldn't necessarily consider it straight up theft because Nintendo put the feature into the game themselves, they had to see it coming for one thing. Not only that he never claimed it was his own - YES I understand that merely posting it is somewhat a claim that it is- meanwhile it is blatantly obvious it isn't his, and he made no attempt to hide that fact, nor lay any kind of claim to the characters, the work, or anything of the sort. I am not defending theft- just the situation at hand, please understand where I'm coming from on this.

One of the others said "it doesn't matter whether he claimed it as his own or not" in this case, at least in my own opinion, it actually matters quite a bit. Because it is such a widely known thing, to claim it was his work would be (stupid) 100% and intended theft; but he hasn't and neither has anyone else who has ever posted a brawl shot on DA- which is a lot of people. I find a screenshot or two on the frontpage every day. Hosting a screenshot on DA may be against the rules, which is completely understandable that YES this is a violation of those rules and copyright of characters and materials - but it's being treated as if it were posted with malintent and theft in mind, which is not true. Like I've said- most people post things on DA because they see it as a friendly community of their peers that they can show things to and recieve feedback on- which is exactly what this is, unless I'm mistaken.

Honestly, here's how I see screenshot posting, regardless of rules- I look past them because I know they're like sharing home photos, people just want to show them to you so you can laugh or admire them or something, and then go about your business. I've never personally seen them as trying to steal someone elses work, with the thought in mind that its incredibly obvious who's work it is, or in this case, who's work it ISN'T. I am defending him because I rarely see it as something wrong, because people get friends on here and just share pieces of their lives with them, rather than JUST artwork. Along with this though, I agree that if it consumes your entire gallery- that's something entirely different, but one here and/or there isn't exactly something I see reason to get up in arms about. That is my reasoning.

I'm not saying you guys should accept it, agree with it, or anything like that- I just want you to see where I'm coming from so we can put an end to it.

(Let me know if the sentences sound odd anywhere... I'm so tired x_x' )

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Red-Bananas In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-30 01:20:21 +0000 UTC]

Wow... I can't believe i got through it.

I get your points, they are valid. It's just that I get a little pissed when dA is "abused" in such a way. But posting other people's creations takes away the real reason of dA in a way.

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PrinnyDance In reply to Red-Bananas [2008-07-30 01:26:34 +0000 UTC]

I agree it does- but it's all about different views. People see and use this site in a number of different perspectives..

Sorry for all the text XD;

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Red-Bananas In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-30 09:56:37 +0000 UTC]

But in dA's rules it still states that you're only to upload your creations and like one of the others said when they posted that FAQ, it isn't allowed on dA.

sometimes it's neccesary

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alder-sketch In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-27 01:41:43 +0000 UTC]

haha i love how you're actually defending these people. you realise you're defending art thieves, yes? the whole "but other people do it so why cant i?" excuse is the most pathetic and played out excuse ever. as your mother would say, "if _____ jumped off a cliff, would you too?".

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PrinnyDance In reply to alder-sketch [2008-07-27 01:44:26 +0000 UTC]

I don't see any of them claiming the work as their own. DA is a way for most people to share their favorite pictures these days. It's not just self promotion and artistic promotion anymore. People post pictures of gaia avatars, MMO characters and a lot more because they want to show people what they do. It's different from myspace because it's mainly based around art.

Nobody is posting them to do any harm, and I've yet to see one poster who says that the characters, textures, game, rendering, etc belongs to them. These pictures were posted just to show to the public...I just think you're taking it a bit too far by having a problem with it... I personally think there are worse art thieves for you to go after..

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alder-sketch In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-27 01:51:50 +0000 UTC]

DA is a way for most people to share their favorite pictures these days.

i think you have deviantart mistaken with something else [link]

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PrinnyDance In reply to alder-sketch [2008-07-27 01:57:24 +0000 UTC]

It's not the same as photobucket...there's no community about photobucket. No commentary or discussion. Not to mention photobucket is far from personal, and I would never put my art on there to show other people..

If someone doesn't say the artwork is theirs- don't assume theyre saying it is if its pretty obvious that it is or isn't. It just seems useless to start an argument about it. That's really all I have to say.

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irient In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-27 02:06:53 +0000 UTC]

I would never put my art on there to show other people.
Yes, that is the point of deviantART.

But it doesn't really matter if you give credit or not it's about PERMISSION.

FAQ #306: Does "Crediting" let me use whatever I want?

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PrinnyDance In reply to irient [2008-07-27 06:16:58 +0000 UTC]

Ok. Tell all 1230 people to call Nintendo and ask about using screenshots.

And on a side note if you've ever noticed, half of DA is on photobucket without permission and not by the original artists.

At least posting it here you get a good claim to your OWN work. I nor did this person EVER claim the screenshots as their own work, nor do we intend to.

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irient In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-27 12:05:36 +0000 UTC]

That is not the point as I said before.
You are simply not allowed to.

Yes, because of ignorant people who think the same way you do.
I am here for the art, and all the stolen pictures and screenshots are just a disgrace.

If you claim it as your own work or not doesn't matter - you still have no permission to display this in your gallery.
It won't protect you from the stuff getting deleted or moved.

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PrinnyDance In reply to irient [2008-07-27 16:05:06 +0000 UTC]

Then let the folks at DA handle it themselves instead of harassing everyone who posts something you don't agree with. I don't see why you can't just ignore it if you don't like it.

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irient In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-27 16:17:43 +0000 UTC]

And again, it's not only that I don't agree with ,it it's that you are not allowed to post this stuff.
That is the point I am talking about - it's just against the rules, why don't you get it?
This "Just ignore it"-way of thinking is horrible, just imagine everyone would think that way.
dA would be full of stuff like this, there would be much more crap like that on here.
And there are more and more people submitting stuff like this; it's getting worse.
What I don't get is why you guys can't read the rules before you post something?

READ THE FAQ!
FAQ #578: What does deviantART consider to be a proper screenshot?

Jesus Christ I'm even gonna quote it:
All users should be aware that the submission of plain or “cleared off” third party wallpapers, video game screenshots, and still frames from television programs or motion pictures will be considered violations of our copyright policy.

Is it clear enough now?

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PrinnyDance In reply to irient [2008-07-27 16:34:30 +0000 UTC]

They don't need people like you to play hall monitor. Thats what I'm saying which you don't seem to understand. DA isn't full of this stuff- and its not because you're being the little helper. Its because the DA staff do their jobs, and don't need you to do it for them.

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irient In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-27 16:40:50 +0000 UTC]

>_>
That is the point:
You see, dA's staff depends on people to report deviations.
They don't have people who browse through all deviations and clean up miscats and remove inappropriate stuff.

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PrinnyDance In reply to irient [2008-07-27 16:44:19 +0000 UTC]

So report it and don't bother with yelling at the artist. You said it yourself- the staff depends on REPORTS. Not comments saying "hey stop that." All you're doing is ruining someones day by giving them a hard time about it. Report it and let the staff handle it.

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irient In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-27 16:50:06 +0000 UTC]

Just on a side note:
I never told him to stop, I just replied to one of your comments.

[link] I was just telling you that it's not about crediting, it's about the fact that he has no permission to submit this stuff.

That's it.

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alder-sketch In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-27 02:00:03 +0000 UTC]

the "argument" isnt even about credit, it's about permission.

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PrinnyDance In reply to alder-sketch [2008-07-27 01:35:29 +0000 UTC]

To be honest I would love to see you say it to everyone with screens from brawl- theres about 4000 of them .

Have fun.

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alder-sketch In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-27 01:38:16 +0000 UTC]

like i'm gonna track them all down? like i said, if i find any i'll tell them, plain and simple. i'm not gonna waste my time searching for them

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PrinnyDance In reply to alder-sketch [2008-07-27 01:39:29 +0000 UTC]

Maybe you should be focusing your attention elsewhere...like some of the porn thats floating around the front page...

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alder-sketch In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-27 01:43:52 +0000 UTC]

if you're referring to artistic nudes, why? as much as it weirds me out, it's a legitimate art form, therefore i have no right to complain. brawl screenshots are not a legitimate art form, so i think i'll focus my attention right where it is

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PrinnyDance In reply to alder-sketch [2008-07-27 01:45:37 +0000 UTC]

Oh no nono, definitly not artistic nudes. There was one in particular I refuse to mention...trust me it was porn. Nasty horrible stuff. I have no problem with nudes.

If you're really concerned, note me about the picture and I'll describe it. I really don't want to post about it here.

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alder-sketch In reply to PrinnyDance [2008-07-27 01:50:46 +0000 UTC]

oh well then we're on the same page about porn. i rarely ever see it but when i do, rest assured that i report it in a heartbeat.

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Fang2700 In reply to alder-sketch [2008-07-27 02:08:38 +0000 UTC]

so then here comes the big question, whats wrong with screenshots? Is someone jealous?

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irient In reply to Fang2700 [2008-07-27 03:41:58 +0000 UTC]

Just a quick reminder - you are talking to someone who actually creates art; puts effort into it.

[link]

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Fang2700 In reply to irient [2008-07-27 04:14:14 +0000 UTC]

I see that, but not everyone can make sprites, gifs, whatever the best I can do is take pictures. So just leave me to that.

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irient In reply to Fang2700 [2008-07-27 11:52:18 +0000 UTC]

In that case - why are you here? :/
deviantART is an art community for people who create art.

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