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Kid-Umby
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[2010-08-18 16:22:20 +0000 UTC]
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I'm alright. Slowly coming back to the internet as a whole, so back in the chats regularly soon enough. 
I'll see you around there, hopefully. It would be nice to have a real time conversation with you.
xx Dae
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I've been alright. I don't think anything happened in my life that I could call exciting though. I got my sons grad photo proofs' - he's so cute and my cat, the one I found in the parking lot at 4am when he was a tiny fit in the palm of my hand kitten, seems to talk to me sometimes. If I start talking all cute to him, he meows accordingly when I ask him something. It's awesome. He's even starting to sound like he's picking up some actual syllable's with vowel sounding meows
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You don't understand that the only reason you won't accept the truth is that it's inconvenient for an ignorant person. That's what makes me better than her.
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you throw around the word ignorant and then claim you're better than a person
and this is solely based off a person's taste in cartoons.
dunno if you got the memo, but that's a pretty useless factor to judge the quality of other people by, and says a lot about how unreliable your judgement of a person is
it also proves how close minded you are, like you've already proven before now: anyone who doesn't buy into the idea of "taking back" these networks is brain-dead to you, and you always overlook the fact that any 'truth' in the matter is more or less subjective
your position is somewhat ridiculous to begin with, and you further discredit it by acting like the typical rabid "90's kids" I see on tumblr :y
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Because that's why I am. Taste doesn't matter, quality is universal if people want to be able to see an intellectual side behind shows. The problem is that you think this is an opinionated arguement. i'm not closed minded for proving there's no reason to cope with shit. I don't argue just with people who don't agree with me, it's people who have the exact opposite ignorant views. This has nothing to do with loving the 90's cartoons themselves, it's why we love them so much. You can't say people can like new shows for the same reasons.
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swing and a miss
watching quality television does not make one a better person, anyone who thinks that just demonstrates their lack of sense when it comes to actual values
and even if your "movement" is somehow the "right" one, the way you've been carrying on isn't winning you many converts, as I previously said
there's also the fact that you're bringing up "intellectual sides" in an argument revolving around networks not showing quality shows. said networks are for the most part aimed at children much younger than us, and more often than not the shows are tailored to meet their expectations (i.e. "intellectualism" isn't mandatory. there are some exceptions, but really whether or not a show has any "intellectual" qualities ultimately depends on the team behind it, and while the network can make bad decisions, they're not at fault every single time.
back on the subject of your arguing, throwing around ad hominems is a generally quick way to shoot yourself in the foot as it is, and this 'savior of the drones' aura you're giving off just drags you down further. Combined with the fact that your position comes across an elaborate blanket argument "it's new so it sucks" and you've got yourself a sinking ship.
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No, but knowing what it is and supporting quality does. It is sense, because the shows use actual LOGIC, not just a bunch of immature ignorant characters who set examples for teenage fangirls.
The only reason my movement isn't making significant progress is the lack of unity. putting out hate isn't the only thing we do.
and by intellectual side, I mean aware cartoon fans should be able to interpret a show and still enjoy it. That's when you know a show's not built on lies. there are expectations, as these shows should be ACTUAL cartoons for a GENERAL audience. The problemis that networks associate General with Child-oriented. And yes, it does have to do with the team behind it, but that doesn't justify a bad shows. By supporing it you're supporting the production team. Their problems are the motives and that CN has been using a money-making scheme with all of their new stuff. That's why we oppose most new stuff, not just for the sake of being different.
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there's another bit of a problem in your argument: shows on those networks aren't obligated to be bound by the logic we use. each show is going to have stuff that's explained by its own internal logic, and for everything else the viewer has to willingly suspend their disbelief. though 1) not every viewer has the same limit clearly, and 2) despite - or rather because of said limits - some viewers' patience is more easily tried.
as for setting examples, news flash: idiot fans have been a thing for the absolute longest, and will (much to many's chagrin) continue to be a thing, no matter how much we may detest it. the fact that a show uses what may or may not come across as 'sound logic' isn't going to change that. like I said before, the fault lies within the way of thinking, so to speak.
honestly, I'm pretty putting out hate would fall under "significant reasons shit ain't working". your movement can be on the highest horse you can imagine, and it'll still be easy as fuck to break the horse's legs. it'll be even more so if you hemorrhage vitriol.
and whether or not a cartoon fan can interpret a show and still enjoy it is based on the fan. people enjoy things in their own way, and they're not obligated to analyze every single aspect of them. plus, they can't really be disappointed when not every show allows for that sort of analysis.
and does it really matter if the shows are aimed at children or not? because that doesn't stop people besides children watching Cartoon Network, or shows aimed at kids in general. see Legend of Korra and A:tlA for example - a lot of teenagers and young adults are in the audience, but overall the show is aimed basically at children older than 7. the target audience doesn't always end up being the only audience when all's said and done.
I never said anything justified a bad show. I'm simply saying that you have to look closer to the source when problem-solving in certain cases, with that being an example. and people have varying tastes, as I mentioned earlier; there's an audience for everything, even if it lacks quality, perceived or otherwise. plus, one could argue that CN's been looking to make money during its entire existence - after all, that's the end goal of any company like CN. we're not gonna agree with the means to the end all the time, and what they're doing right now can be seen as attempts to draw in other audiences. maybe they're not exactly doing it right, you can certainly say that. but you have to realize that you can't always please everyone, and when you're branching out to try and land more viewer, you run the risk of alienating some of your current viewer base. I'm no expert on this, but I know that to understand what they're doing, you have to learn how business works.
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Like I said, I took all that shit into consideration, and you still prove my point. opinion has nothing to do with this.
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and by skimmed I mean 'didn't even read'
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no one wants to read stuff we already took into consideration.
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are you still assuming that this thing you're doing is 'objectively' right
because if so you probably skimmed all of what I said earlier, which doesn't make it less true. that sort of attitude is the crutch that'll bring it all crashing down, and it's already making you look foolish in the eyes of people who don't see the worth in getting mad at cartoons
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I'mnot reading your page-long explanation, because I allready took all factors into consideration. You don't care probably because either you like crap or don't like cartoons at all.
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because that totally determines my argument
you're grasping for straws, whether or not I like cartoons is completely unrelated to whether or not I think your approach is going to work. as much as I love old cartoons, that doesn't mean I'm going to blindly support any cause that intends to bring them back unless I have a good reason. and so far, I haven't been given one, and whatever I have been given smells of elitism, which is inherently stupid :y
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Don't like Cartoons? This isn't your problem unless you're a fucking conformist who loves those crappy sitcoms on Nick and Disney. I don't blindly support any of my childhood shows, I oppose crappy low-quality lash animations for very good reasons you claim to be opinions. The only shows I intent to bring back are ones killed by cash cows, and put ORIGINAL cartoons back on CARTOON Network.
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hahahaha you are so pressed right now
I've been saying throughout the entire thread that I watch and enjoy some cartoons, I don't even watch Nick/Disney
you even pulled the 'conformist' card lmao you're floundering and gasping for air right now
and while I have some issue with your "cause" (protip: original doesn't automatically equal good) my problem's more with how you've chosen to promote it, case in point right here. frothing at the mouth while pushing a message littered with all kinds of "fuck conformity" and acting like taste isn't even partially subjective, and basically hurling names at anyone who dares think other wise?
ain't a good look bro
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original isn't always good, but all good is original. It just gives a better chance of a more successful show. Of course we're against conformity, because it destroyed the diversity of CN's lineup. Taste is opinionated, but facts aren't. facts are what opinions are based on when people know the truth, and most of the time people don't know the complete truth when they make an opinion.
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the problem with opinions - rather, with some people having them is that they seem to think it's inherently right and makes them superior for the silliest reasons, case in point:
This entire conversation.
lording your "better" taste over anyone is objectively dumb, no matter how rooted in facts they are. basing an opinion in fact does not make it automatically right, it's just generally more likely to hold water in an argument. even then, facts can be misinterpreted, intentionally or otherwise, and twisted to serve an agenda (i.e. using statistics that support cause X, but "conveniently" ignoring other stats that would contradict it).
so a television network makes a lot of programming changes that you don't like. some of them may even be objectively bad. you're free to like and dislike what the hell you please, and you're not obligated to agree with every decision made. but you eliminate any and all ground you stand on when you use that as a pretext for being shitty towards other people. And at some point you're going to have to realize that if you really REALLY want this change to happen, it's going to take way more than a petition with 25 signatures and methods of "argument" that drag it down at every possible turn to sway an entire network of people which is, at heart, a business.
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I'm saying that my opinion doesn't matter either, and I don't preach my opinion, It's just that my opinion is formed through logical reasoning, not opinionated judgement. It's important for anetwork to never stray from its roots, especially its most FAIRLY successful ones (fairly in the sense that it was not big because of fans taken advantage of). At an unbiased perspective (save for comparing to the successful aspects of a network's program), there should be a relatively uniform interpretation of shows, their messages, and their intentions.
A network makes a decision I don't like because it's an illogical, greddy decision that has a dirty money-making scheme behind it, created my people who don't even like what gave networks success. It has nothing to do with what you like, but rather why you like them. it's an intellectual argument, one that goes beyond opinion or nostalgia. That's what I do, I don't give a shit for my own opinion with this, let alone anybody else's. Because my petition may not have a lot of signatures yet, but these words are starting to spread on the internet. I'm even seeing people at my school talk about this a bit. Change is coming, and change for the better of everybody, in everybody's fair favor.
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You're not even saying how I'm closed minded, or at least in a way that I can't explain my actions. There IS a right and wrong with opinion, it just sounds too radical by ignorant people.
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Whenever I see your name I always accidentally add an "r" after the b. "Kid-Umbry". 'Course, you having a Sableye for an avatar (thus indicating you do like PokΓ©mon or at least know what it is) doesn't help. But yeah, I keep thinking you're a kid Umbreon.
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Good, you have steam right? I don't have MSN on my computer anymore.
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Yeah, just
not on this laptop I'm using :c
I could probably fix that soon though
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ALSO YOUR DICK IS BLACK AND PROBABLY PURPLELY TOO
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