sto67 In reply to 2Le [2004-09-05 00:44:07 +0000 UTC]

if people would actually GIVE instead of TAKE all the time then i think it would work
take the poster below you for example, most people are like him/her and want comments/sympathy or whatever
LPSworkshop isnt an ego booster, it is a place to improve your poetry

next person who posts something like that i will actually comment on their work
but cry about the critique you asked for and you are in for it.

(yes i am feeling very vindictive right now)

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2Le In reply to sto67 [2004-09-05 01:23:24 +0000 UTC]

sto67 u seem to be on da all the time...how do u manage you're time. I want your schedule, if i had so much time, i would be happy to critique people's poetry as often as i can :/
what you say is true though...but what do you expect. Most that can critique do so, but there are so few of thsoe kind of people and those that can only contribute one sentence(which i would be happy to take) are too lazy to do so. It really reflects what members of our club think about each other...sad.

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sto67 In reply to 2Le [2004-09-05 03:39:33 +0000 UTC]

lol
i am not on all the time
i am just opinionated and stick my nose in issues i care about, such as this club
i have no schedule hahaha, in doing that, i unconsciously prioritize the most important aspects of my life.
and writing is near the top of that.
unfortunately for me, i should currently reconsider my priorities so i can receive a tertiary education -_-"

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sto67 In reply to sto67 [2004-09-05 00:45:46 +0000 UTC]

correction
people really need to critique others before they ask for critique
it just isnt fair on those who give the help yet receive none in return

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sto67 In reply to ArmorFelix2001 [2004-06-21 08:18:00 +0000 UTC]

i do a lot of critiques too... just dont take them personally lol

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sto67 In reply to Kaetar [2004-05-29 11:47:25 +0000 UTC]

no offence
but criticism should be taken as a third person. i am sorry you feel this way but one should not be so emotionally attached and defensive of their works. keep in mind that nobody is perfect, us critics try to provide writers with some help to become a better writer. we are not critiquing your ideas, but your application of poetic skills to promote those ideas. a poem is a work of art, like the colour of a painting is not an artwork, it is one of the tools used to create that artwork.
similarly, an emotion itself is not a work of art. it is one of the tools that you use, the most important tool of all. you just need to draw the lines in terms of poetic devices and rein in the emotion, and control it. like a painter needs structure, needs borders, a poet needs limits and boundaries to convey his or her infinite ideas and emotions.
i have reread all the comments posted, and none of them have "flamed" your poem. they have never used those words to describe it. there was only one person who blatantly said they dont like it. dont expect everybody to like your poetry because thats not how it works. you can hope everybody likes it, but in reality only a handful will. and that handful will not further your poetry, or make it better. it is due to the people who dont like it that you find out how to make the poem appeal to a wider audience and in essence, make it "better"
from what i have seen, your poem has received a good number of criticisms.
it has also received quite a bit of praise.
even though you cannot see why something of yours is bad, dont always assume that it is irrational or illogical. try to see through what they mean and think on it

open up a little, in terms of perspective.
dont write yourself into a hole, and let the circle group kiss your ass into supportive depression; dont let them drown you in praise and blow your head up to rival the moon.
does you no good when all you think about is getting positive attention, and not thinking about why and what you are writing for.

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Kaetar In reply to sto67 [2004-05-29 18:30:27 +0000 UTC]

it doesn't do me any good either when all they say is "your poem sucks"

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daeira In reply to Kaetar [2004-05-31 10:07:22 +0000 UTC]

That wasn't all that was said either.

For instance, sto67 said you "had a nice smooth rhythm" and I seem to remember praising at least one of your lines. If you only choose to listen to praise, chances are you won't get better. No one picks up a brush and thinks they can paint like Dalí on their first try; and most often, people will listen to advice on their visual art.

The same goes for poetry. No one writes like Coleridge, Donne or Shakespeare first time around - it takes re-write upon re-write, and critiques. As with everything else in life; practice makes poems perfect.

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Kaetar In reply to daeira [2004-06-01 16:14:25 +0000 UTC]

you should read my poem goodbye and read the long comment there. Those are the kinds of comments that should be coming from the workshop. I don't think i am the expert, but its not worth it to send in a poem when 90% of what comes out isn't helpful at all its just saying how bad it was.

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daeira In reply to Kaetar [2004-06-01 18:14:18 +0000 UTC]

That was not a critique, that was an analysis; not what is usually done in a workshop. A workshop seeks to mold and perfect a poem through discussion with outside critics and the poet, an analysis points out what works and why it works. If that's what you're after, then workshopping is not for you.

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Kaetar In reply to daeira [2004-06-02 00:57:56 +0000 UTC]

so anything positive isn't critique? That was critique....it told me what was good, what was bad, and gave advice.....and none of the people that post for my poems are talking like they are from outside poets...they talk to me directy

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daeira In reply to Kaetar [2004-06-02 14:30:50 +0000 UTC]

Yes of course positive aspects can be included in a critique! But *inziladun said so himself: "Right on to the actual analysis!" As your poem was in the workshop I supposed you wanted inputs on what could have been done better, and leaving praise to your regular watchers. Also, it says in the journal of this group:

WARNING We are here to criticise your poetry to help you make it better. To help you grow and progress as a poet. We are not here to kiss your ass. If you cannot take honest critique then we advise that you do not apply.

Don't expect praise. You can suppose that anything we didn't comment on was probably okay.

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Kaetar In reply to daeira [2004-06-03 03:57:30 +0000 UTC]

whatever, i have made several points and you have made the same one over and over, so i am not gonna argue anymore.

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LPSworkshop In reply to daeira [2004-05-21 17:59:47 +0000 UTC]

*happy dance*

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sto67 In reply to bloodorange [2004-05-21 10:07:52 +0000 UTC]

technically it is

but the club is not faving it because a high council member likes it
the club is faving it so that it is featured as a workshop
i have 1 suggestion but, to rotate the workshops so they all get (roughly) even viewage

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LPSworkshop In reply to sto67 [2004-05-21 17:59:21 +0000 UTC]

how do u mean rotate?

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sto67 In reply to LPSworkshop [2004-05-22 03:53:57 +0000 UTC]

go to settings i think
and its in there somewhere

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LPSworkshop In reply to sto67 [2004-05-22 10:29:26 +0000 UTC]

i randomized them? that what you mean?

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LPSworkshop In reply to sto67 [2004-05-20 18:38:54 +0000 UTC]

*whip crack* thats right, you round em up sto67

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LPSworkshop In reply to njcoda [2004-05-20 18:39:30 +0000 UTC]

no one is out of place here in the wonderful back-allyed world of lpsW.

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njcoda In reply to LPSworkshop [2004-05-20 22:20:48 +0000 UTC]

lol, that just made it sound like a scary place

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LPSworkshop In reply to derivablezero [2004-05-13 18:00:17 +0000 UTC]

Geoff another, currently retired member of the lps hc was organising this page, now it is under *greendragon (my) control. since i took over the page the page views have doubled and im pretty sure the favourites have too. Getting the word out there for something like this and creating interest in it is extremely difficult. Have you tried? And its not bribery, its a bonus, people who offer valuable critiques often deserve to get something similiar in return. that is all our 'bribery' offers.

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derivablezero In reply to LPSworkshop [2004-05-13 20:27:03 +0000 UTC]

Actually, I have tried.
But we'll leave the details out.

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sto67 In reply to derivablezero [2004-05-13 07:32:53 +0000 UTC]

it is not bribery
it isnt a comment it is a critique. this is a 2 way process in which critics learn how to criticise other's works in order to learn how to criticise their own poems to become better
i would have to say though, that most people do not understand how to criticise properly. i will write something about that for the club soon enough
another unfortunate fact is that people are not willing to let their works be criticised for various reasons, that is why there are only a few pieces being critiqued. but they are coming slowly but surely ^^
rest assured this is a good idea and we have some dedicated staff who i have worked with before. and they wont let this flop hehe. and even if it does, ill revive it myself lol

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derivablezero In reply to sto67 [2004-05-13 10:51:46 +0000 UTC]

gotcha.
why isn't it open to the public?

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