MercuryShine In reply to Liberalgirl [2013-04-30 09:39:06 +0000 UTC]

And I thank you for not using misogynist, sex shaming language so far. It's rare to see that from the anti-abortion side. This has been an enjoyable debate.

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Liberalgirl In reply to MercuryShine [2013-04-30 10:01:55 +0000 UTC]

Well, being a woman myself, I don't like using misogynist language.

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MercuryShine In reply to EamonReillyArtist [2013-01-23 04:14:00 +0000 UTC]

I don't have sound.

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EamonReillyArtist In reply to MercuryShine [2013-01-23 10:12:39 +0000 UTC]

or intuition. or empathy. or emotion. or conscience. or knowing of what is right and wrong.

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MercuryShine In reply to EamonReillyArtist [2013-01-23 19:52:22 +0000 UTC]

I have all those things. Which is why I'm pro-choice.

Intuition - I was once pro-life because "BABIEZ!!21!1" too, but then I actually took a moment to think about it.

Empathy - I can empathize with someone who will be beaten, abused, in poverty, scared, in pain, sick, permanently altered, permanently injured, or dead because of their medical condition. I can't empathize with something that can't express any sort of emotion or thought. I would feel upset to see someone forced to go through that, and I literally get sick to my stomach every time I read a story about someone who desperately wants an abortion, but couldn't get one.

Emotion - Everyone, even sociopaths, feel emotions.

Conscience - I could not in good conscience deny a competent individual a safe, medical procedure that could keep them healthy, alive, mentally stable, or out of poverty.

Right and Wrong - It's right to have abortions, because it's wrong to make someone lose control of their body for someone or something else.

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EamonReillyArtist In reply to MercuryShine [2013-01-23 21:01:00 +0000 UTC]

psychopaths and sociopaths don't know what emotion is and they copy what they are supposed to feel like after closely observing others and their reactions just to appear the same as everyone else.
I asked you this on the other thread and I'll ask it here too. PROVE to me with statistics and quotes and whatever you can get on google or elsewhere why I shouldn't go out and murder some random stranger on the street.

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MercuryShine In reply to EamonReillyArtist [2013-01-24 23:52:27 +0000 UTC]

Sociopaths do feel genuine emotion, they just lack emotion for other people. They lack empathy. Google it for five seconds ffs.

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EamonReillyArtist In reply to MercuryShine [2013-01-25 00:11:17 +0000 UTC]

abortion is murder is wrong, ffs. end of.

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MercuryShine In reply to EamonReillyArtist [2013-01-25 00:15:16 +0000 UTC]

Making someone continue an unwanted pregnancy, which may effect their physical, emotional, financial status, or even take their life is wrong. End of. Ffs.

Oh my god I just realized you're a man. What the actual fuck. It must feel awesome telling women that they'll never lose their life to a pregnancy when it's not even possible for you.

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EamonReillyArtist In reply to MercuryShine [2013-01-25 00:50:33 +0000 UTC]

this person isn't a man. She's was a pro-choicer like you who changed, like you will....[link]

BTW I can't believe a woman could be so unloving of unborn babies. BTW again I'm a father of a little girl. Are you are parent? if you're not I won't tell you you know nothing just because you aren't...

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MercuryShine In reply to EamonReillyArtist [2013-01-25 01:00:18 +0000 UTC]

I will change? Lol. I have changed. I was pro-"life" and now I'm pro-choice.

I'm not a parent. The closest thing to a "parent" I've been is having two miscarriages and probably countless dead zygotes due to problems with my reproductive system. I'm not sad at all. If the embryos weren't miscarried they would have been aborted. I don't want to be a parent, not now and not ever.

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EamonReillyArtist In reply to MercuryShine [2013-01-25 17:30:44 +0000 UTC]

how would you be sad. miscarriages are natures way of dealing with problems. However abortion is a different thing because that baby WOULD have lived. You can't feel bad or sad about a miscarriage (well you can feel sad at the loss actually) but it's NOT your fault but abortion is deliberate.
Then once again -WHY limit abortions at all??
You come across as a man hater and a baby hater.
I shouldn't have an opinion on abortion because I'm a man?? YEAH, that's the sick line I see the so called pro-choicers on the net. Like only soldiers, not civilians, should be anti-war?? Like only nuclear scientists should be anti-nuclear power? Like only gun owners, not non-gun owners should be anti-guns. Because in all those cases only the former are they only ones who KNOW and have to EXPERIENCE what they are protesting about??? Doesn't make sense but then neither does a lot of pro-choice 'statements'.
WHY were you once pro-life at all?? Why did you change?. Could you change again? Did you think you'd change from being pro-life to pro-abortion?? How do you know you won't change again??

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MercuryShine In reply to EamonReillyArtist [2013-01-27 08:35:40 +0000 UTC]

So it's totally possible for a person to not be the least bit effected by a miscarriage, but an abortion will always leave someone a guilt ridden, blubbering mess? Okey dokey. That's like saying no one will ever feel bad about buying meat at the store, but EVERYONE will feel bad shooting a cow. Even that's a shitty analogy because most people feel relief when it comes to abortion, but most people won't process their own cow.

Abortions shouldn't be limited. Late term abortions happen for morally sound reasons. Check out Canada, because there's no legal restrictions and it's paid for through their healthcare system, abortions are done early as possible. Third trimester abortions are generally not available. Example: In Quebec, only a few doctors will do them, and they will only do them if the woman is dying, fetus is dying, and the woman's health is in great peril.

War effects everyone and is not exclusive to one type of person. Civilians can be a part of war, civilians can opt to become soldiers, civilians fund war with their taxes. The same goes for your other examples. Nuclear power can effect people who aren't scientists, guns can effect people who aren't gun owners. Only female-bodied individuals will ever get pregnant and have abortions. Unless you are a transgender person who is FtM, you will never need an abortion or be faced with an unwanted pregnancy.

I was pro-life because my religion told me abortion was wrong. My teachers taught me about abortion by only focusing on the fetus and completely ignoring anything about the pregnant person. I changed when I got older and decided to look into the facts, statistics, and anecdotes more. There's nothing that tells me denying someone their bodily autonomy is good. I won't change, because the only reason I'd change is if I become religious and base my opinion on "what (insert god) tells me." Which is unlikely because most religions condemn me for my sexual orientation. The only ones that don't also don't have an opinion on abortion or are pro-choice.

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EamonReillyArtist In reply to MercuryShine [2013-01-27 12:00:36 +0000 UTC]

"So it's totally possible for a person to not be the least bit effected by a miscarriage, but an abortion will always leave someone a guilt ridden, blubbering mess?"
where did I say always?? Abortion affects me in the same way that all injustice affects me. I'm not in a war torn country but that doesn't mean it has nothing to do with me.
Religion?? knock it all you want and you will but without it anything goes. If 'choice' goes above everything else then if I 'choose' to kill someone because I'm suicidal or because they bug me or are an inconvenience to me then I should do it?? Especially if they are unable to speak and communicate to anyone? What about incest?? If two consenting adults want to do something who is to say what is right and wrong? Who? If an adult wants to have relations with a willing child then who is to say that it is wrong??

One more question. You live in a country with abortion, you say you are 100% pro-choice and happy that abortion in nothing and foetuses are nothing. Why are you here at all? Why are you saying to limit something that is harmless? Why are you on this page. Do I not get to 'choose' an alternative, underdog view on something to you and the governments, huge corporate monsters, so called 'human rights' groups, so called lobby groups funded by billionaires??? What about my right to free speech and freedom of thought??

BTW there are feminists Pro Lifers (feministsforLife), Atheist Pro Lifers (GodLessProLifers.org), Pro Life Socialists 0n Facebook
Gay and Lesbian Pro Lifers (Plagal), Pro Life doctors, pro Life nurses, pro Life lawyers, pro Life artists.
Like SO many others you are using the lives of the unborn child simply to attack religion so how do you explain the above groups???

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MercuryShine In reply to Toxic-Plasma666 [2012-05-19 17:29:51 +0000 UTC]

"I don't care, that way they have a chance to get hurt and die to, that's better then it being legal."

You'd rather see women die from illegal abortions? You're putting the life of something when done 90% of the time is less than the size of an olive above someone who is sentient, has memories, and people who care about them. This embryo is not sentient, does not form memories, and no one has any emotional attachment to it. It looks like this when aborted: [link] You would let someone die for that?

You will never ever face an unwanted pregnancy like a woman will. It's never "Oh, I'm a slut, this is inconvenient." Pregnancy and birth isn't just discomforting, it leaves permanent and possibly painful physiological changes. Put that on top of not being able to afford another child, unpaid maternity leave, and not being able to afford hospital bills.

" and some aid to the moms ONLY if they where prostatuing around like a slut then they should of been taking birth contorl"

I can't understand what you're saying, and all I can pick out is misogyny. :/

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Toxic-Plasma666 In reply to MercuryShine [2012-05-19 17:36:26 +0000 UTC]

OKAY! I meant like when they are getting a abortion of a child that HAS a beating heart, body parts and gender, etc. As long as it's early I don't mind. But once the child has those things, any of them then if they get a abortion they should have to get it done igelly so they have a high chance to get infected and such and half to suffer to.

If it's unwanted, she should have kept her legs closed or been taking birth control. If some girl came up to me and said she needed birth control to keep from getting pregnant I'd gladly buy it for her then her get a abortion.

I was saying we should aid mothers, unless they where being prostatues, then they should of been taking birth control. Prostatues should give their children to foster care and if you can't afford a child, hospital bills, etc take birth control, use a condom or keep your legs closed. DO NOT abort the child, give them a chance and let them go to a adopted family.

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MercuryShine In reply to Toxic-Plasma666 [2012-05-19 21:57:48 +0000 UTC]

"they should have to get it done igelly so they have a high chance to get infected and such and half to suffer to." - Wow, just wow. Not even going to comment.

"If it's unwanted, she should have kept her legs closed" - Yeah, because that works. You can scream this at people for hours. It does nothing! Why do you think states where comprehensive sex ed is illegal or not taught as commonly has higher STD and teen pregnancy rates?

"been taking birth control" - Without insurance, birth control can cost upwards $500 per year. Condom costs can add up as well, especially if you have a latex allergy. Many women have mild latex allergies and must spend an extra $3-5 on just three condoms.

"unless they where being prostatues, then they should of been taking birth control" What's wrong with being a prostitute? Why ONLY prostitutes? How would it be different than being promiscuous and sleeping with 10 men a month for free vs 10 men a month paid?

"Prostatues should give their children to foster care" - Foster care has a tendency to be horrible for the mental health of the child! If the child is not adopted they can end up getting shuffled around homes, physically abused, and/or sexually abused. It's better for the child's well being to keep them with their parents and provide aid to the parents.

"take birth control" - Expensive, sometimes hard to get access to.

"use a condom" - Can be expensive, also have 15% fail rate.

"keep your legs closed." - Laughably ineffective.

Your solutions to solve abortion are poor. You're just showing me you don't care about the fetus, but the fact women have sex. If you did care about the fetus you wouldn't think twice about letting EVERYONE, prostitute or not, receive assistance in raising their children and future children. You would rather see woman AND fetus die than give a prostitute help? You don't want to stop abortions, you want to punish women for having sex.

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Toxic-Plasma666 In reply to MercuryShine [2012-05-19 22:34:02 +0000 UTC]

I didn't mean foster care I meant adoption. >.> that was my bad. Also I'd be willing to buy it with my health insurnce for them. Also I'm all for teaching sex ed and not to do it and such.

I DON'T WANT TO PUNISH WOMEN FOR HAVING SEX! I'm just offering things that could help, I agree with what I read in your journal you fuckin douch. Teach people not to and such and that's it's bad. I CARE about the fetus, about the child and that is why I do not want it to be killed. You want to fuckin say I don't? what the hell ever I know I do. I'd go and make a point ot every one of your damn points but it would be a waste of my fuckin time, it was a waste of fuckin time to talk with you from the start. I was just repeating a bit of what I read from your journal, I agree with your journal make it so we don't need abortion as well as make it illegal we should do both. Also that whole foster care thing was a fuckin accident type, I was upset, didn't re-read my post so I didn't really realize I put that instead of fuckin adoption which is a WONDERFUL thing. It is the second best thing to the actual parents raising the child.

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