OcularInflux In reply to EverydayBattman [2013-12-19 04:13:53 +0000 UTC]

Please stop grabbing my buttocks.

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EverydayBattman In reply to OcularInflux [2013-12-19 07:13:34 +0000 UTC]

LOL!

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OcularInflux In reply to FuzzieLogic [2011-07-03 06:37:13 +0000 UTC]

My political views are pretty similar to Thomas Jefferson's, but yeah. . . nice art!

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OcularInflux In reply to SuperMarioFan [2010-08-09 00:16:05 +0000 UTC]

To the conspiracies? Quite. The term "conspiracy theory" is just a cultural non-thing.

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SuperMarioFan In reply to OcularInflux [2010-08-09 01:05:07 +0000 UTC]

No. Most of the supposed conspiracies that people speak of ARE theories. Hence the term conspiracy theory.

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OcularInflux In reply to SuperMarioFan [2010-08-10 10:12:45 +0000 UTC]

That's a strawman argument. The term is used in order to lump any whistleblower information or official corruption in with UFOs and other such nonsense. It's meant to create an automatic response. Oh, don't listen to that information about a corrupt politician, that's just a conspiracy theory. You see what I mean?

Some are true, some aren't. That's the issue with using such a broad term for completely unrelated situations.

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SuperMarioFan In reply to OcularInflux [2010-08-10 15:33:37 +0000 UTC]

I'm not going to deny that our government is a bunch of liars and has done many bad things. But this whole one world government bullshit is....well, just that. Such a thing would never work. Not in a million years.

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OcularInflux In reply to SuperMarioFan [2010-08-11 10:35:02 +0000 UTC]

Well. I'll agree with you that such a thing wouldn't work. As for there being some people who work towards such a thing, I think the evidence speaks for itself. Whether or not it will happen does not discount that there actually IS a conspiracy to try to subvert national governments underneath a single world government. There has been for a number of years. Anything from the World Federalists, to the UN and the League of Nations before it are attempts at this.

Thankfully, it's quite a tall order to try to impose central control on that massive of a scale. I can see many of the efforts that have been put into place to create such a system starting to crack and to crumble just like all attempts at world empire have in the past.

Still. That is no reason to ignore that these things are going on, and that they must be opposed, even if they aren't likely to escape imploding under their own weight like every massive centralized system tends to do. It takes time for systems to crumble (take a look at the USSR). It would be much nicer to demolish this propose one world government before it got started, than to wait until it naturally implodes after it has killed millions of people and bankrupted everyone.

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SuperMarioFan In reply to OcularInflux [2010-08-11 23:11:50 +0000 UTC]

Well, actually, they don't just try to manipulate the media. They usually do. But even that isn't working out for them as well anymore, as wikileaks is now starting to be written about in the mass media. That, amongst the other reasons I gave, are reasons why this will all ultimately fall flat on its face.

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SuperMarioFan In reply to OcularInflux [2010-08-11 22:59:30 +0000 UTC]

While I'm not going to deny that there are more likely than not, some world bankers/rulers out there who want world government and total domination, I seriously doubt every single one of them from every country in the world has that same motive in mind, and are working together to try to execute it. The ones that DO want it, do whatever they can to try to make it happen, whether it's by trying to manipulate the media, or trying to pass certain bills in secret, or whatnot. And somehow or another, they get this crazy idea that because they have secret meetings with other bankers/rules throughout the world, it MUST mean they want to be a part of their evil plan, too. It's just another pathetic attempt at world domination, which will ultimately fall flat on its face.

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OcularInflux In reply to SuperMarioFan [2010-08-15 08:54:51 +0000 UTC]

Ah yes, That's the ground between totally paranoid and totally docile that I like to call reality. This is true. Myself, I take a similar approach. There is obviously a fairly common plan amongst many of these unsavory fellows, but when push comes to shove, they'll throw each other under the bus to keep the gravy train coming. I would say that the truth is somewhere in the middle. There obviously are some predominate conspiracies amongst the ruling class of the world, and world government is the center of it-as all Empires have aspired to.

In reality, what is likely to happen is that the whole thing will collapse at some point, because you cannot centralize things to such a level and remain managable. My largest concern is that this collapse will wait to occur after massive loss of life (such as the collapse of plenty of 20th century dictatorships which had slaughtered the masses during their decent into oblivion) or will not simply extinct the human race in the last ditch effort of powerful people to impose their "rule" over the mass (say, by global nuclear war, nanotechnology used unresponsibly, etc).

My personal belief is that mankind is in the process of an unprecedented awakening. Just as your second message states, institutions such as Wikileaks are throwing power structures through a loop, and the elite of the world simply do not know how to "put the rabbit back in the hat". Mainstream institutions are no longer mainstream, and the alternative in every medium is taking over. This is very positive and shows a hope that mankind has likely never possessed in history. Still, with this bit of cautious optimism it's important not to discount the many provable crimes that are commonly and falsely labeled as "conspiracy theories". Every issue has to be looked at on it's own, rather than lumped into a "catch all" term. Some "conspiracy theories" are laughable, yet some are absolutely real. There ARE actually a group of people who are still holding to Nazi ideologies who are in positions of power. Most who serve them are ignorant to it. Compartmentalization is the name of the game. I believe, far removed from the more paranoid of the bunch, that we stand a very good chance, and that these ideas of global government, dispite the amount of money behind them, lack the influence to see them through. Still though, it's important to kill these weeds at their very root, lest they sprout up elsewhere. Psychopaths always take control over society, and the normal people need to kick them out before they turn the people sour and wreck society.

I'm simply suprised that you discount these things as "conspiracy theory" while understanding the position of a site like Wikileaks. Almost everything they publish is considered by the "intellectual" elite of our country to be conspiracy theory. This would be like welcoming the Soviet Union just because the inevitability of it's collapse. Sure, it took less than 100 years to fall apart, but how many people were oppressed and senselessly murdered before it did so? That's where I'm coming from.

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SuperMarioFan In reply to OcularInflux [2010-08-15 18:09:13 +0000 UTC]

Yay for it falling apart! Yay for the real stuff slowly but noticeably making the mainstream news now! I guess those whackos that are in power, aren't nearly as good at this as they thought!

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OcularInflux In reply to SuperMarioFan [2010-08-24 14:44:55 +0000 UTC]

They never are. The psychological fallacy of all of the ruling class is that they always come to a point where their viewpoint of themselves surpasses reality. For a time it's sustainable, but their own sociopathy ends up leading to their downfall. Typically, they end up screwing each other out of existence. Still, it's not too fun for the majority of the population caught in the balance. It can get bloody, or financially chaotic for the majority.

The ruling classes have been genetically inferior for millenia. They inbreed for the sake of legal contracts and property, but genetically that reduces the quality of their stock (and increases the hereditary illnesses and mental problems), which is why each bloodline tends to degenerate into violent insanity eventually, sometimes to the point of being virtually incapable of carrying out the power which they've stolen from the people.

Personally, I think the system is completely failing. I just hope that it will not cause human suffering in that process or somehow pull of a way to grow into a global system (as is the plan of many of these wack jobs).

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OcularInflux In reply to iamadeviantart [2010-07-18 02:56:51 +0000 UTC]

I'm not against technology. I think that the internet is a fine thorn in the side of the ruling class, even though it was intended to be the oposite.

If what you mean is the transhumanist utopian delusion, I do not see that as a viable solution, but an even bigger problem than the most oppressive state ever imagined.

I am for the free market application of technology, not for state sanctioned versions of it. If the free market decides what technology is created, we will find a very powerful and liberating tool. If the state controls the scope of technology, it will only be to dominate.

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iamadeviantart In reply to OcularInflux [2010-08-05 22:15:56 +0000 UTC]

I agree, there is a large demand for self enhancement.

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