Wild-Kitsune In reply to GodRustang [2010-07-13 23:10:12 +0000 UTC]

If you think you have some legal direction to head in let me know, but honestly I don't think there's enough of a case here for any justice department to even bother following.

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GodRustang In reply to Wild-Kitsune [2010-07-13 23:32:45 +0000 UTC]

i have seen several claims connecting him to several identities. plus if he isnt giveing his commisions to his clients after they have paid then that means he is stealing. but we can only prove this if we have two things

1 we need to check the account that had been made a few months or so ago that was also claiming to be the webcam girl. if we can take the IP address and connect it to the same location as JEs then we have probable proof of this being a premeditated and test run crime...

2 we need the people who are claiming to have not recieved any artwork from JE even though they have already paid. they can put it up with PayPal first but since JEs account has been "hacked" then this means that all new commisions (basicly any from the last few months) have been wiped away... but if they have copies of the notes they sent her stating what they wanted and that they already paid... well thats fairly solid proof.

3 may i have your email so i can send you the third step? i dont want anyone from JE connections seeing this one

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Wild-Kitsune In reply to GodRustang [2010-07-14 00:59:28 +0000 UTC]

I had no idea about the previous account so if you have a connection there then I say go for it. The same goes for anyone who may have payed for a comission. With her DA account gone there's no central location to find people who may have been patrons. I'll keep my ears and eyes open at a few forums to see if anyone starts complaining, but until then that's another dead lead. As for the third step, you can send me a DA note. It'll remain private that way.

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GodRustang In reply to Wild-Kitsune [2010-07-14 01:34:11 +0000 UTC]

ok. im still searching for the old account.... i believe it was his first attempt to use the model for his purposes.

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Wild-Kitsune In reply to GodRustang [2010-07-12 03:55:28 +0000 UTC]

Thanks. It's always nice to have someone on your side when going up against an army of fanboys

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GodRustang In reply to Wild-Kitsune [2010-07-12 04:00:02 +0000 UTC]

yup. and if were smart we can prove them wrong.

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Wild-Kitsune In reply to GodRustang [2010-07-12 03:54:30 +0000 UTC]

lol thanks. Funny enough, I drive a Ford Mustang and an old girlfriend of mine used to call it the "Rustang" lol.

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GodRustang In reply to Wild-Kitsune [2010-07-12 04:01:18 +0000 UTC]

lol funny coincidence^^ i love this name too^^

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Wild-Kitsune In reply to jimbob5555 [2010-07-11 01:57:38 +0000 UTC]

Yea, a whole lot of drama sort of popped up out of nowhere. On one end are the people (such as myself) who thought "Jessica" had gone too far. On the other end are the "white knights" who believed every single thing Jessica said, and then in-between are the people who either didn't care or wanted to troll both groups.

Also, thanks for the llama

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Wild-Kitsune In reply to Eddboy [2010-07-10 06:30:26 +0000 UTC]

Sure, go to VCL and do a search for "arden the black." There are at least 3 art trades done by people there SPECIFICALLY FOR "arden the black." Right there in plain english. Arden The Black was an actual user who drew furry art in 2004/2005. There's your proof.

[link]

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Eddboy In reply to Wild-Kitsune [2010-07-10 06:34:45 +0000 UTC]

Ok, I addressed that I had found him in the comment with Roko, but these pictures still look nothing like Jessica's

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buzzair In reply to Eddboy [2010-07-10 06:41:50 +0000 UTC]

youre right... theyre too unlike jessica's

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GodRustang In reply to buzzair [2010-07-12 03:47:54 +0000 UTC]

UM hello? seriously? hes had five years to practice. over the last five years ive gone from stick figures to manga drawings. and thats a huge change. the art could very well be His/Hers.

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Eddboy In reply to buzzair [2010-07-10 06:47:17 +0000 UTC]

Thank you, you actually understand that they don't even match in style. I honestly can't find any art that looks like the kind that JE supposedly stole. That means, she made it herself.

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Wild-Kitsune In reply to Eddboy [2010-07-10 06:56:57 +0000 UTC]

I think we're confused on a point here. I never said JE stole anyone's art. I said she stole PICTURES as in real life camera shots and then claimed the person in the picture was her.

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buzzair In reply to Wild-Kitsune [2010-07-10 07:42:51 +0000 UTC]

still... are you really trusting /b/ on info here... just because two women who pose in overly common posses doesnt mean she stole the pics...

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Wild-Kitsune In reply to buzzair [2010-07-10 18:31:03 +0000 UTC]

Jessica ADMIT she stole the pics and made a public apology before her account was "hacked."

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buzzair In reply to Wild-Kitsune [2010-07-10 20:00:17 +0000 UTC]

thats was most likely the hacker

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GodRustang In reply to buzzair [2010-07-12 03:49:40 +0000 UTC]

are you an idiot? no offense but the woman is a pornstar. note me an ill give you her webpage. that is not Jessica. and if there was a hacker wouldnt the hacker go onto the furraffinity site as well? its not realistic to say that they could hack one but not the other.

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buzzair In reply to GodRustang [2010-07-12 06:32:06 +0000 UTC]

i honestly dont care... i want it to be jessica so let me just think its jessica...

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GodRustang In reply to buzzair [2010-07-12 13:59:58 +0000 UTC]

the internet was made for a humans fantasy.... fine. but be wary if commisioning from him. i still need to check but im fairly certain that he now doesnt have to pay for any commisioned goods.... which is in my opinion stealing.

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Roko-Epsilon In reply to Eddboy [2010-07-10 05:31:53 +0000 UTC]

and when you search for just "Arden" and limit it to VCL you'll find pictures mentioning a fursona named Arden who belongs to a "Arturo-Juarez"
so yeah
took like five minutes to do wow that was so hard

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Roko-Epsilon In reply to Eddboy [2010-07-10 05:28:51 +0000 UTC]

and you it is really easy to erase your own presence online. I have done it before and have friends who have done it to take new names many times. stuff also wasn't nearly as thoroughly search-engine-indexed in 2004 as it is now and plenty of sites had scripts that kept them from being indexed. hell, if a site doesn't have full public view (as in you need an account, or you need to pay), none of the hidden content is ever going to show up in a Google search.

and hey here's a piece of "literal evidence" - on VCL user Millia's "Mature stuff" gallery (so yes this is NSFW) there is a picture clearly labelled as "An art trade for Arden the Black" if you ctrl-F for it you'll find it [link]

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Eddboy In reply to Roko-Epsilon [2010-07-10 06:17:31 +0000 UTC]

Scratch that last bit about not finding Arturo-Juarez. I found Ardin the Black's art work.

There is just one problem, not one of his works even look close to Jessica' so you lied. [link] Here is his art portpholio.

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Wild-Kitsune In reply to Eddboy [2010-07-10 06:36:32 +0000 UTC]

Also, that link is to some other artist entirely who isn't Arden OR "Jessica." The guy has one piece of art that he did FOR Arden, as it says in the description. Are you intentionally just posting bogus information, or just not looking very hard before you post stuff?

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Eddboy In reply to Wild-Kitsune [2010-07-10 06:47:12 +0000 UTC]

Ok, here is a quick question, do you have a link to any official art made specifically by AtB and not just some collaboration? I am still waiting for evidence that she stole the shiny pin-ups from others. I am still not buying your claim until you show me those two things.

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Wild-Kitsune In reply to Eddboy [2010-07-10 06:52:25 +0000 UTC]

As I said previously, I do not have any pictures drawn specifically by Arden from 2004 or 2005 before he left. That is really the only thing standing between anyone with knowledge of Jessica's history and absolute irrefutable proof that "she" is a he. As for evidence that the pin-ups were stolen, as I said to others, go to Encyclopedia Dramatica and do a search for "Jessica Elwood". All along the right side are the "pinups" of "Jessica" along with the actual stolen images. Also included are screencaps of the person who Jessica stole from and her reaction to the whole reveal. I can't link to it directly because DA considering that particular site spam.

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Eddboy In reply to Wild-Kitsune [2010-07-10 07:02:45 +0000 UTC]

1. There are viruses on ED. I just got told by my AVG to stay away from it, and AVG lets me go to plenty virus prone places so it should be obvious that the place is not reliable.

2. I don't know if you haven't noticed, but Jessica Elwood's name is not archived as an article in ED. It just reads as an error when using the search bar.

3. ED likes to make up shit all the time, so they are nit legit.

Again, I see no evidence.

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Wild-Kitsune In reply to Eddboy [2010-07-10 06:34:19 +0000 UTC]

So first you claim Arden never existed, and then as soon as we prove you wrong you claim it doesn't look exactly the same as art from SIX years later? I suppose if we were somehow able to prove that link, you'd find some other trivial detail to let the fantasy live on?

Is it that hard to believe that someone on the internet decided to close his account and re-open it as a girl to get more pageviews/favorites/comissions? It's really not that radical an idea.

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Eddboy In reply to Wild-Kitsune [2010-07-10 06:39:02 +0000 UTC]

I admitted that I didn't see Arden's work at first, so it was my fault on that.

What I still don't understand is how any of these pictures look like JE's.

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Wild-Kitsune In reply to Eddboy [2010-07-10 06:43:09 +0000 UTC]

Those pics don't. When "Arden" left he removed all his art work. The ONLY proof that Arden ever existed is from art trades and comissions that other people did for him that they kept online. If they were gone, any proof that Arden ever existed would be gone forever. There isn't a direct picture-to-picture comparison available, which is one of the reasons Jessica's lie has lasted so long. Unfortunately the word of people who saw both sets of pictures before they were removed isn't enough for a lot of people, and all this additional coverup with stealing pictures of other women to prove Jessica is a "she" gets covered up the moment her lie is discovered.

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Eddboy In reply to Wild-Kitsune [2010-07-10 06:51:38 +0000 UTC]

I am sorry, but I am allergic to bull shit. If you do not have any proof, you have not argument. Please shut up and realize that you are just making shit up just to rub Jessica's name in the dirt.

I asked for evidence, you did not deliver. Good day.

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Wild-Kitsune In reply to Eddboy [2010-07-10 06:56:02 +0000 UTC]

I DID deliver, and you simply chose to ignore it. Fine, here is a direct link to the images from ED since you refuse to visit it yourself:
[link]
That's the twitter of the person JE stole the pics from.
Here is her web site:
[link]

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Eddboy In reply to Wild-Kitsune [2010-07-10 07:28:12 +0000 UTC]

She makes no mention of Jessica plagiarizing her. Even if Jessica used her photographs for example's you must conciser the fact that she spent the better half of a decade drawing, shading, rendering, and perfecting on each of those pictures. Artist have done this for years using examples from others. As far as I am concerned, all of this has been nothing but a failed attempt to plaster JE's name in the dirt. I am done for today and this argument has dragged for too long. I am out of here.

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Eddboy In reply to Roko-Epsilon [2010-07-10 06:11:19 +0000 UTC]

So? This old have been millions of things, like a guy who once worked on his art and then quit, or Millie could have gotten bored with her old user name and changed it to something else. This evidence is entirely vague.

Also, none of this stuff is even looks remotely similar to Jessica's. She always finished her work with a shinny coating effect on her works. You are obviously pulling out a lie. Oh and here is a section for her actual works. [link] Not only that, Jessica's pictures had a more rounder anatomy on the limbs and slightly less anime in the faces.

Take a close look at the picture quality of the link I showed you and the one you just showed me.

Now, how exactly would Jessica have been able to improve upon said art if she had stolen it? Most especially after only two years, she produced higher quality ones then the ones made by Millia and Arden? There re not signs that she had stolen any f these works as none of these are in her style.

Also Arturo-Juarez does not pop up anywhere furry or anthropic related. Nether on Google or VCL. You have to do better then this

An another thing, why is it only NOW that people are accusing her of theft? Did the original artist never think "hey, this person is stealing my stuff" in advance of the four years that she was on the site? I am just asking, because that is way too long for a legitimate theft accusation to really hold credit, especially since I have never seen her pictures copyrighted by anyone else.

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jackmcslay In reply to Eddboy [2010-07-10 18:51:01 +0000 UTC]

Dude, Elwood did not steal from Arden. Elwood IS Arden. He only did a few changes in style so it doesn't look the exactly same- the proportions, generic poses and recurring fantasy girl theme are identical, specially if comparing Elwood's earliest works.

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Eddboy In reply to jackmcslay [2010-07-10 19:00:50 +0000 UTC]

People keep telling me different stories. I decided not to dwell on it last night.

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Roko-Epsilon In reply to Eddboy [2010-07-10 15:38:08 +0000 UTC]

1. I never said any of those were Arden's (with an E) work. They are all work done FOR him. I pointed this out. None of those people are him, so of course the quality is completely different. So no I did not lie. That gallery you linked in your other reply? Is obviously a girlfriend if you read the description of the picture that mentions "Arden." Reading comprehension is good for you!
2. Who's accusing JE of theft? No one here is accusing her of theft of artwork. They're accusing "her" of (in this particular instance) taking Camerella Cam's photos, slapping a filter on them, and pretending it's "her;" then when found out pretending like they are actually good friends. "She" has been accused of doing the exact same thing with other camgirls several times throughout the last six years. It's not a new thing. Again, reading comprehension is your friend.
3. Yes that old could have been millions of things. But see if Arden the Black disappeared in 2004 the only evidence for his existence is going to be that old. Jessica Elwood appeared at the same time as Arden disappeared (not Millie, that was an art trade for Arden). And recent evidence could also be all those same things! You cannot dismiss evidence because it's old and give justification that would apply to anything more recent too.
4. Arturo-Juarez is not a big-time unusual name. There are some kinda prominent people with that name too, so most of the Google results are going to be related to them. Besides, most people don't want their real name attached to their Internet personality and therefore don't leave the two connected. If you Google search for my real name, you're probably not going to find this account. You're going to find prominent Russians somewhere. So of course you are not going to find out furry related shit when searching "Arturo-Juarez," a furry pinup artist won't attach their real name to their art, especially after they delete all their accounts.

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Roko-Epsilon In reply to Eddboy [2010-07-10 05:18:19 +0000 UTC]

hey man don't demand that people do your research for you

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