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deviantARThypocrisy
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[2007-06-25 17:08:55 +0000 UTC]
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Another thing. You keep saying how you don't like this site. Yet you continuously expose yourself to it. Simply for the attention you are getting from the correspondence you incite.
Self abuse for the sake of attention . . . I believe that's a sign of depression with masochistic tendencies. You've got issues, kid. More than Marvel Comics.
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WOW! Nearly three pages of people you've pissed off! Well, it's a free country to spout off your mouth in (i'nt it great 
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If all your here for is ranting then your no more of an artist yourself are you?
Just leave if you don't like it.
There are MANY other websites you could be at right now. Deviant Art doesn't have to be one of them. If you can't respect the members of this website "artists" or not then you really don't need to be here.
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Name them, because I can't find them. I'd be there if I could. Elfwood's queue system is backed up 3 months, and everything else is terrible anime/MSpaint sites.
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I never said websites you liked ;D
I believe there are millions of sites on the web.
Pick one.
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While I agree that the site does need to be regulated more, there are such things as tags for mature content. You can choose what you do and do not want to see. Some people love the shapes of the female body. Not even sexually, they just love full, rounded curves. That's okay by me. I don't want to see it all the time, but then I'll just hardly look in the photography section. Furries? Okay, I hate even the idea of furries, and furry porn just makes me want to die inside, but I just try to never ever look that way ever. They can do their own thing, and I'll do mine. There is PLENTY of other art here. PLENTY. You just need to LOOK. Sure, a lot of it is really crappy MS Paint stuff from a nine year old. But didn't we all draw that way at one point? I know that when I was nine, I thought my shitty art was the best thing ever. You want real critique, talk to an art instructor, or fellow artists. Show them your sketchbook. Or you can try other sites. DA is not the only art site in the world. ConceptArt is another art site, one that actually gives critique and tries to help you improve. If you don't like what it's becoming, leave. Wait for it to crash and burn, and then come help rebuild. You could try to become a mod here, or even start up your own art site.
But you should never try to censor the artist. You can tell them, "Your art is inappropriate for this site, please leave." But you shouldn't try to tell them what it is and is not okay to draw, or paint, or photograph.
DeviantART is an open community. Everyone can join, everyone can post. Upside? You can see a lot of really cool art that you probably would've never seen ever. Downside? You have to see somethings that you could've gone your entire life without.
This site is HUGE. They can't catch EVERYTHING. You should become a mod for this site. I want to see you take down every single piece of art that you believe to be wrong.
I wonder how long that'd take.
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I wish there was an alternative site worth a crap, because I'd be there. But sadly DA has like, the monopoly on art gallery-user sites. I gave up on Elfwood, took me 2.5 months to even get anything on my gallery, blegh. And everything else is total MSNPaint anime.
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ConceptArt.org! Tons of delicious art on there, pages and pages of it. You just have to not mind the forum format of it.
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["This site is HUGE. They can't catch EVERYTHING. You should become a mod for this site. I want to see you take down every single piece of art that you believe to be wrong."]
Oh I agree, but as far as I can see the attempt is not even being made, all you have to do is cruise the daily deviations or the populars and you can see all of this. I've personally found minors posting nudes of themselves, right in the the popular section, I have reported this when I've run across this DeviantART admins and at least once to law enforcement, and I've seen photos taken down as a result, but I've NEVER seen an account banned for this, even in the case of minors posting nudes of themselves. However I have seen several accounts of good and talented friends banned over something as trivial as negative feedback on some art work. This speaks volumes about DeviantART's priorities.
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As it is with all sites as friggen huge as this, there are going to be huuuge gaps in the regulation. I think the best course of action would be for you to try and become a moderator and deal with this yourself, or get to know one of the mods and report only to that one when you see underage nudes. Or just keep track of the accounts, and whenever a nude is thrown up, report it straight away. I think enough reports will get any account banned, but I really have no idea how the system works. I've seen some good and tasteful nudes on this site, but you always always have the blatently pornographic ones. I'll go browse the popular section (of any particular section, might I ask?) and see if I can see something that offends me muchly.
And the negative feedback thing can be taken either way, did they flame the person, or was it constructive criticism? And it doesn't speak so much about the priorities of DeviantART as a whole, but rather the individual mods that handled each situation.
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Okay, I agree 50% on this campaign. I am personally sick and tired of seeing nudity in the daily deviations. It's gotten to the point of ridiculous, and no matter how many complaints people lodge with the admins, nothing ever gets done about it. I would assume that if so many people are complaining about the nudity, shouldn't they at the very least tone it down?
I think they need to do more to ensure children under the age of 18 can't view the nudity on the site. Blocking mature content is an option that anyone can turn off and on, and that just simply isn't enough. They need to incorporate a mandatory age verification system.
True, the site isn't what it once was. But there are still some of us who are here for actual art, whether to view and/or post. I really don't even search very often, unless there really is something specific I'm looking for. Every once in a while something will catch my eye on the front page, but a lot of my art viewing is in my deviant watch.
Before I go, I'd like to mention that I'm not overly impressed by the way you have been insulting people's English skills when they don't agree with you. That's childish, demeaning and greatly uncalled for. To win an argument or enforce a point, you don't reduce yourself to petty insults. That's just not classy.
Anyway, I do hope that some good comes out of your campaign. Take care.
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Firstly, people from the age of 13 to 18 are teenagers NOT children. Saying they're children incorrectly tries to assume that they don't know anything and are completely innocent people who need to be looked after. There are a lot of people in that age group who don't even live with their parents and are quite capable of looking after themselves. And really everybody has nude bodies underneath all that clothing, seeing it is NOT going to harm anyone's mind. A lot of people are having sex before the age of 18, so they have already seen plenty of nudity.
Porn is separate from nudity. It involves the act of sexual intercourse. This I understand limiting contact to after an adult deemed age, but nudity is just a nude body and I think it is a good thing for self esteem to realise the nude body is not an evil thing.
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I don't think your opinion of when "childhood" ends has any credit to what the LAW is. The law in the U.S. says anyone under 18 is a child. And just because kids are having sex doesn't make it right.
As for your definition of porn, that isn't necessarily right either. Porn is defined as anything "depicting erotic behavior". That'd also cover all your "fetish" photographers. I'm not OFFENDED by the nude figure, I mean who is really offended by genitals? A lot of people just don't think there's anything artistic or classy at all about a spread-eagle pose with an exasperated look on the face peaking between said legs. It's clear what the motivation and message is there.
I'm not saying there's anything morally/otherwise wrong with it, just get it off of DeviantArt- this shouldn't be the place for it.
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Definition - Teenager
A person between the ages of 13 and 19; an adolescent.
Child - A person between birth and puberty.
You're not doing teenagers or children any favours in learning how the world works by keeping them in the dark. All that happens is they go to other places to find the things that people like you deem inappropriate. This is like when my mum was younger and nobody talked about sex because they wanted to keep children safe, all it did was get girls pregnant younger. There are also negatives about restricting access to view ARTISTIC NUDES. People need to know that their bodies are ok how they are. The human body is a beautiful thing. I saw books when I was 5 with nude mummies and daddies to show me how making babies works. It helped me to know these things and see what grown ups look like.
Seriously, I am a lot more concerned about children and teenagers viewing violent images than nude images. These images of suicide actually do encourage them to act a certain way. All that nudity does is show they what they have or what the opposite sex has.
I'm not a fan of the sorts of images you depicted before, but I am not actually offended by them, I just don't look, but I don't actually see things on DA that would actually offend teenagers. Now bear in mind I am not talking about children, just teenagers.
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I am sure a teenager or child will grow up sexually healthy with furries and obesity fetishists as their role models.
It is against the law. This is simple fact.
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Basically you have to LOOK for the really disturbing pictures to find them. Seeing obese people in pictures is not much worse than seeing the really skinny models that teenagers see every day.
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I don't have my mature filter on and I don't see disturbing things like you're talking about.
Laws are broken. Simple fact. If people want to they find ways around them. The teenagers on DA who view mature content images ARE just those people who find ways around the rules. They would do it even if they were kicked off DA. Just because something is a law doesn't mean it has to be supported.
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You seem to me the kind of person who tries way too hard to be open-minded. no, you don't have to go out of the way to see perverse, disturbing images. Growing up aware of one's body and growing up with a warped image of sexuality are two different things. You can't seem to distinguish the two.
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I just realise there are lots of different types of teenagers out there. You seem to have an idea that all teenagers are innocent and can't think for themselves. That's just not the truth at all.
I understand you think you're trying to protect innocents from knowing what really goes on in the world, but I think you're missing the point that a 15 year old is not so innocent anymore. A lot of kids nowadays have had sex at that age.
I honestly don't see the things that you think will warp teenagers on DA. Plus the fact that DA automatically puts on the mature content filter for under age people, so they have to turn it off if they want to see it, which means they are choosing it for themselves.
I actually think DA is pretty good at getting rid of images that go too far and I think it would be a positive influence for a teenager to have their art here and get encouragement on it.
If YOU see an image that goes too far - depicts a couple ACTUALLY having sex or goes too far in the fetish category - report it.
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Okay, but you're still missing the point; IT IS -ILLEGAL-. DEVIANTART COULD/SHOULD BE SUED.
Bless you and your perfect little utopia where everyone is responisble and understanding, but it doesn't work out that way. Kids shouldn't be learning about their bodies from the perverts on DeviantArt anyway, that's where good parenting needs to come in.
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Oh, I understand that it's illegal, but I don't support this law and so I won't be going out of my way to defend it.
If you're talking about pedophilia, that has nothing to do with nudity. That is a huge issue with anything on the net, from chat rooms to DA and everywhere in between. My problem with using the word child or kids is that in my mind a child is an innocent 5 year old. A 5 year old should not be on the net unsupervised, neither should a 10 year old, but a teenager can be, just so long as parents take them aside and explain the trust issue to them, the same as you would explain about these things in real life. Teenagers do have minds of their own and I actually think that a lot of them probably would keep on the mature content filter. Those who turn it off are doing it to TRY to get around things because they want to see these sorts of things. There is really nothing you can do to stop people who want to see mature content things. I would put work into things that you actually can control and there are plenty of causes out there that are really important to support.
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The reason I stated the phrase "children" under the age of 18 is simply because in the US you are considered a "child" if you are under 18. Since I'm from Canada, that doesn't -really- apply here when it comes to sexuality (the age of legality here is 14). I'm VERY aware of teenagers having sex and yadda yadda. I didn't mean it as a demeaning statement. When I was a teenager I got pretty pissed when people called me a child, or treated me like I didn't know any better. I was simply addressing the age range in a way that's "politically correct" (however incorrect it may actually be).
AND I wasn't actually calling any of the nudity on this site porn, if you had actually read my statement correctly. I realize it's not porn, and I also realize that there are actually some fantastic artistic nudes. However, a great many of the nudes I've seen on the front page just aren't artistic (the naked lady wearing the head of Optimus Prime comes instantly to mind), they're just simply nude. And they're ALWAYS there. I know you could just say "Then don't look" but it's pretty hard when you type in deviantart.com to miss something that's RIGHT THERE.
I'm also aware that a nude body is not an evil thing. I've been trying to say that for years now to all the prudes I've run into. It's just that if I'm going to see a nude on an art site, I would figure it should be artistic.
So, please, don't speak to me like I'm an idiot. Your point proved nothing except that you're attacking the wrong person here..
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Your comment - I think they need to do more to ensure children under the age of 18 can't view the nudity on the site.
So you say that and then when I point out that teenagers are perfectly capable of understanding and accepting nudity, you say I have misunderstood you? Saying teenagers are children IS a demeaning statement because in saying so you are trying to restrict rights to view certain images.
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I think something you don't seem to understand is that by law it is illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to view nudity, because, according to government law, it is classified as pornography, whether it is or isn't. If someone actually filed a lawsuit against deviantArt for not doing enough to ensure people of a certain age couldn't view the nudity, deviantArt would at least be reprimanded in some way. I'm not the one restricting anyone's rights to do anything, and this is the first time I've ever encountered anyone actually being offended by someone being politically correct. The fact of the matter is, according to LAW, people under the age of 18 are legally not allowed to be exposed to nudity, especially by a company that is selling it, distributing it, etc. It has nothing to do with what anyone can or cannot comprehend or accept. It's the same thing if someone under the age of, say, 19 where I'm from, were to go to a liquor store and try to buy alcohol. It's illegal, that's all. If you want to complain about it, take it up with the government.
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Legality is not what you were talking about. You are trying to make DA have tougher restrictions on people viewing nudity. But if you don't think nudity is evil, why would it bother you that people are getting through the cracks and still viewing it? Honestly, people will get around laws. Some laws like minors viewing nudity ARE going to be broken. If not on Deviant Art, then there are plenty of worse places where they can view actual porn on the net.
Just because something is a law doesn't mean you have to support it. No harm is being done by minors viewing nudity. There are plenty of other things to focus on minors not seeing that ARE actually dangerous and not a good influence. All the suicide and blood pictures for one. But ultimately, why is it your problem if some people are not following this law? Is it just because it is a law?
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Because I'd rather not have my favorite art site shut down because they're not following the law. Yeah, those suicide and blood pictures can also be tagged as mature content, but what does it matter when it's an option that can simply be turned on or off by anyone? That's another reason why they should implement an age verification. I totally agree that those are far more dangerous, not just to people under the age of 18, but to anyone, especially those with depression or something else of a serious nature. But those blood pictures and whatnot aren't illegal, are they?
And yeah, legality is what I was talking about. I don't appreciate someone I don't even know constantly trying to put words in my mouth. You can't sit there and tell me, the person who said it, what I was saying. I know what I was saying, and if you misread that, or I just simply wasn't clear enough, I apologize. But don't put words in my mouth.
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You've been getting more and more defensive and we go on, so lets just leave it as an agree to disagree statement. For me this is a simple debate, for you it's obviously personal and you feel attacked. For the record I am not attacking you, I am simply trying to point out a different way of thinking about things, but you are obviously not open to this. One more point is if you don't want Deviant Art shut down then be quiet about this whole nudity thing and don't support people who do want to make the flaws public and get Deviant Art shut down. And that's it. I don't dislike you, I just feel the need to point out flaws where I see them.
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I have a tendency to get defensive when someone puts words in my mouth, therefore feeling attacked. You stating that this is "obviously personal" for me is the same thing. This is not personal, and you thinking that it is doesn't make it any more so.
What good would me being quiet about DA's flaws do? They would come to light sooner or later anyway, and there are plenty of other people here who are commenting and either giving support or not. Little old me wouldn't make any kind of a difference.
If DA would have fixed these flaws long ago these kind of debates likely wouldn't even need to happen. If there was a proper age verification system and a filtration system for people over the age of legality, I bet this user page wouldn't even exist, or if it did it would have less people posting any kind of support. It's just simple. There shouldn't even need to be any kind of argument or debate or anything about this. What I'm open to is simple programming to keep everyone happy and DA in business. You don't need an alternative way of thinking for that.
I don't dislike you, either. I can't dislike someone I don't know.
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As late as this comment is, what exactly does that Bill of Rights state, Mr. Hypocrite?
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I support freedom of speech 100%, however, there is no reason that minors should be allowed access to pornographic content and DA takes absolutely no steps to prevent this from happening. It's funny, DeviantART will condone illegal activities (such as porn being viewed and even PRODUCED by minors) but they will not allow negative crticism of their site or any art on it.
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Ah, I see. Another question: You've been complaining and campaigning for... how long now? A few months? And how far has this gotten you in solving Deviant___'s administration problems?
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"Let there be porn for all 13 year old boys in these free states", I think.
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Well, I'm sure you love cracking the joke whip here, but if you don't mind I'd like to take this situation a little more seriously.
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Oh I'm so sorry, I understand now that this internet discussion about furry-porn is real serious business.
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It's not just the fact that there's porn; there are also a lot of other more unnecessary pieces of work on this website that don't need to be on here. Plus, you're talking to me on a page with a person who wants all of it off of here. Seriously.
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I want it all off too. That comment was a joke as well, see: Satire. Furry porn was just the most bizarre thing I could think of at the time. Possibly inflation thrown in there too.
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well this is a strong community taking care of eachother we will know how to take control of what is right and what is wrong.
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...Somehow I don't have faith in the 14 year olds drawing sexualized animals.
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yup so thats a part where we can solve that problem!Just think how we can take care of that manor.(but yeah I can't stand sexual furries made by 14 year olds 
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If you hate this place so much then why are you here? Don't you have something better to do with your free time?
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It used to be a great place, and I still have a lot of great friends posting their work here. I'd like to see it become the great site it was again.
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You mean, you want everyone who joined after a certain date to go away. Bigger sites mean more variety, mean more things you won't agree with. Deal with it.
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Hardly, I think I, and most of the people who have been long time supporters of this site want it to go back to the higher standards of content than it used to be. As well as enforcing more strict regulations regarding pornography and minors being able to access said pornography.
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Example, please?
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What sort of example? An old user? Pick me!
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I feel the same way. I've noticed that most of the people who criticize folks who miss the old DA are people who joined after 2005 or so.
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I hope you don't think I was criticizing anyone. I simply asked a question.
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That's not what it looked like to me, but perhaps I mistook your interrogative attitude for something more sinister. Either way, my comment was not addressed to you.
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