jtlim In reply to karimdell [2010-06-04 10:07:50 +0000 UTC]

you're welcome friend

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jtlim In reply to Rin-7 [2010-06-04 02:14:49 +0000 UTC]

you're welcome friend, thanks for the fave and watch too

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Rin-7 In reply to jtlim [2010-06-05 12:02:52 +0000 UTC]

welcome

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jtlim In reply to Al3Xandraa [2010-05-31 12:34:20 +0000 UTC]

You're most welcome friend,

How's your day been? Am annoyed of an incredibly backward racist woman user from this website, going on preaching about how the "rest" of the world apart from Muslims are most "mature" and "sensible" while falsely claiming that Muslims are "Barbarians".

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Al3Xandraa In reply to jtlim [2010-05-31 14:13:52 +0000 UTC]

well, I'm pissed off about what happened today..

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jtlim In reply to Al3Xandraa [2010-06-04 02:09:14 +0000 UTC]

Yes, My solidarity and support for the Palestinians and the lives of the International Activist lost at sea in the hands of Israel.

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dancerher In reply to dancerher [2010-05-25 21:58:13 +0000 UTC]

and the others too

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jtlim In reply to selfregion [2010-05-28 10:35:49 +0000 UTC]

lol random emoticons

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jtlim In reply to RH-Photoworld [2010-05-22 01:40:06 +0000 UTC]

you're welcome friend

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RH-Photoworld In reply to jtlim [2010-05-22 01:44:38 +0000 UTC]

same to you, your support has been so greatly appreciated.

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jtlim In reply to MindlessDreams [2010-05-22 01:33:40 +0000 UTC]

^__^ You're welcome

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jtlim In reply to BadNarrator [2010-05-22 01:37:31 +0000 UTC]

Hmm nice

though I feel that the reason Latuff hides his comments is purely to avoid different factions in turning his dA page comment into a text war zone, or just to hide some particularly nasty comments from people who frequent his page that might get upset or something. IsabellaRose hides her comments for the fact that she isn't smart and has taken up bigoted narrow perception.

Other than that, good job

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BadNarrator In reply to jtlim [2010-05-22 05:06:51 +0000 UTC]

To be honest I don't really have any strong opinions on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I don't believe in Islam or any other religion either. The only reason I study these things is because religion and politics and sociology fascinate me. But if I'm gonna argue about something I feel like it's my obligation to know what I'm talking about. Too many people on and offline debate topics they are not qualified to speak on.

I know bullshit when I smell it and her comments are reeking of it. People who go around talking about shit they know nothing about just piss me off regardless of who they are.

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IsabellaRose In reply to BadNarrator [2010-05-25 01:02:40 +0000 UTC]

Funny that you say that because I happen to have studied social science, run a website dedicated to the freeing women and children of religious oppression and have a facebook group with 1250 + members who I update and inform everyday on issues globally regarding the rights of women and Islam seems to be the worst for the oppression of women and children.

The fact I study this, have built a website about this, have thousands inform, write article and so on shows that I am very sure if I spend 8 hours a day on this subject I know a lot more than most do, because I have to. It annoys me when people assume things expecially if you were going off anything that my teenage self wrote in my old profile. I havent been on deviant for years hence why all my artwork is not on display.

Do not assume anything of a person you when you do not know what they stand for or who they are. I am pretty sure both you and jtlim do not dedicate your lives to raising awareness on religious oppression globally and I am sure you do not set campaigns up either. So if I were you, I would think about assuming you know more, because if there is anyone on this write now who knows about religious bullshit its me. I dont spend hours in end typing articles, managing a website, replying to questions and talking to people such as yourselves for no reason.

I do it because if women and children are to be given equality with men globally, and for all the human rights violations to stop, religion needs reform and especially Islam!

By the way just because I defend Israels people does not mean I defend their governments actions, as far as I am concerned MEN need to stop being animals and stop fighting over a piece of land!

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BadNarrator In reply to IsabellaRose [2010-05-25 05:18:41 +0000 UTC]

Oh my goodness. I'm sooooo sorry. I didn't realize I was dealing with a political science guru. If you run your own website you must know what you're talking about, I mean it's not like just anybody can go and start their own website. And your own facebook group too? With 1250 plus members no less. Truly astounding. We all know what a vast impact facebook groups have had on political and environmental issues. lol

And here I thought I knew I what I was talking about by using information from the notes I took in my Abrahamic Religious Studies course taught by a tenured college professor. But clearly you are way more knowledgeable on the subject since you say you "studied social science" lol (in high school probably).


Look, I'm gonna take my tags off and talk seriously for a second. I don't care about all of this Jews vs Muslims bullshit because it's just more religious nonsense as far as I'm concerned. I deal with facts and the fact is that your information is either misleading or blatantly false.

Fact:
More Palestinians have died in this conflict than Israelis (notice I say "Israelis" and not "Jews" like your ignorant ass would). And the discrepancy isn't minor either. In the year 2000 a little more than 1000 Israelis died as a direct result of the conflict while over 6300 Palestinians died that same year (most of them non-combatants ie those poor women and children you claim you care so much about). That very same year less than 8000 Israelis were injured due to violence while nearly 40,000 Palestinians suffered injuries.

And don't get me wrong, any loss of life whether it's Israeli or Palestinian is equally tragic, but the fact that there is such a huge discrepancy and so few people know about it is truly sickening. The American media (and Australian too apparently) is biased in what it chooses to report on the conflict. Any military attack implemented by the Israeli government is portrayed as just "military action", however if Palestinian forces launch an attack on Israel it is regarded as "terrorism".

Clearly the only difference between "military action" and "terrorism" lies with the skin tone and the uniform of the person doing the shooting.


Fact:
In 2009 the US government provided the Israeli government with an estimated 7$ million per day in military aid. Compare that to the 0$ in aid provided to the Palestinians that entire year.

Fact:
In December of 2009 1 Israeli prisoner was being detained by the Palestinians. Wanna know how many Palestinian prisoners were being held at that time? I forget the exact number but I know it was between 7300 and 7400. The 1 israeli prisoner is an Israeli soldier while the Palestinian prisoners range from public officials, about 20-40 women, 300+ CHILDREN, over 200 Jerusalem prisoners, close to 800 Gaza prisoner etc. you get the picture. Say what you want about the Palestinian belligerents, but they've sure arrested a lot less children than the Israelis have.

Fact:
Not a single Israeli home has been demolished by Palestinians since 1967. Since that same year over 24,000 Palestinian homes have been demolished by the Israeli state.

Fact:
The Israeli unemployment rate is only 6% while the Palestinian unemployment rate ranges between 16-41% depending on what area your in.

Fact:
Over 200 Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land. The Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.


These are the facts. You want women and children being persecuted, there it is. And it's not a religion that's oppressing them, it's a government. You need to quit with all of this anti-muslim bullshit because this conflict isn't about Islam it's about racism. Palestinians are a race and Palestinians are being a persecuted. And if you truly cared enough about women and children (enough to do something more to help them than just start some stupid facebook group) you would quit typing racist comments and start boycotting Israeli goods.


I haven't seen your website or your facebook group but I'd imagine it's every bit as fair and unbiased as this one [link] It makes me sad to see such wealth and opportunity being wasted on such an undeserving individual as yourself. I hope in time you realize what an idiot you've been and stop bothering sensible people.

Safety and Peace upon you.

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IsabellaRose In reply to BadNarrator [2010-05-26 01:39:20 +0000 UTC]

Look, I understand that you are trying to be serious and provide facts but it does not help either of us if there are no sources for these facts. I mean how do I know whether your sources themselves are subjective or objective?

How am I to trust what you say when I have no idea where your information comes from?

Why is that you seem to think my main focus is on supporting Israel. My real issue here is Islam. Islam and religion all together is the reason for this conflict that has been happening between these people for thousands of years.

Who are we to take sides anyway when this conflict is older than our western history in America and Australia combined?

What about the millions of lives lost over those thousands of years?
Who threw the first stone? Who is to say if your facts are correct, that Palestinians did not commit more violence against Israelites in the past?

I mean this whole debate happened because I do not stand for bias propaganda whether by a Jew or a Muslim. The fact of the matter is, both are wrong for killing each other and fighting over a piece of land and both are wrong for involving women and children.

I am not a Jew and I in fact despise Judaism for it religious oppressions of women and children, I also despise any religion that involves oppression of human rights. In my eyes what is happening here is something that occurred because of religious conflict thousands of years back and if you have read the Koran you would know full well the hate there, against the Jews and Christians. I read the bible and although it is still no example of peace and love, it is not filled with verses upon verses of kill the unbelievers, slit their throats and rape their women (although it is also very violent and oppressive of women).

To me the reason why I partially defend the Jewish people (not their government) is because I know from living in a Jewish community in Sydney and meeting Muslims men in the west parts of Sydney and asking both sides questions about why there is so much hate between them, Muslims are always quick to hate, become defensive and speak aggressively and the Jewish temperament is like those you find of good little Christian school boys. What am I suppose to gauge from this behaviour.

Obviously through what I am doing, which mind you, you have no right to discredit, every organisation that is successful in helping humans rights started with a few people with a passion for something so do not be so heartless as to pop it aside because it is not as big as Amnesty, thousands turns into 10's of thousands and so on. Anyway as I was saying through what I have read, the people I have questioned, interviewed, the religious texts I have studied and the millions of docos, books, articles, forums, and debates and so on, one fact remains.

Muslim women and children suffer the most human rights violations then any other group in the world. But you can not say anything about it because of PC and the fear of being blown up if you mention the word paedophile and Mohammad in one sentence. To me this is enough for me if it really came down to having to defend one side; it is the lesser of two evils to defend the Jews.

At least they do not make their women go through the humiliation of having a stranger forced upon them literally on the night of marriage which is like a celebrated rape session to ensure the girl is a virgin as a sheet with blood on it proves her hymen was still intact. Jews do not publicly execute women for "adultery" in other words rape. Jews do not make a woman present 4 male witnesses to prove she was raped. Jews do not give women 100 lashes a day over 3 days for “adultery”. They also do not chop people’s hands and feet off when they steal. They do not force women to stay in doors for their entire lives other than to go to the market for goods while escorted by a related male. They do not make it illegal for women to work, drive, have male friends, and wear clothes that breathe and so on. Israel is a democracy and has more gender equality then all Muslim countries combined.

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(These groups above are the sort of thing my group is fighting against. Just so you know the organisation I have started with its own site and members was possible because of that one face book group and has become bigger than I could have ever hoped for, we support RAWA and all those Muslim groups who are fighting for a religious reform to bring women and children rights in Islam and other religions.)

You say it is governments doing this well, yes you are very right, Religious governments are doing this, not secular ones. Islamic countries ruled by Islamic law, SHARIA LAW, that is the government, the MUSLIM governments, is it not? Would you say it is not a Muslim government? I mean we have secular, and then we have religious governments. Sharia law written by the guide of Muslim scriptures, hadiths, sunnahs, Koran and so on allow the acts that happen to women and children because it is the LAW BY THE GOVERNMENT. Little girls can be married at the age of 9 and even younger because they take example from the oh so great paedophile Mohammad. This is the law and it is Islamic law and it is instated by the government for Muslims.

Anyway…

My point is why would I support Palestinians who abuse women in such a fashion? They are Muslim and this abuse is not secluded to some Muslims, it is in every Muslim community, even in those based here in Australia where our women have been raped by gangs of Muslim men claiming it is their fault they did not cover up.

It hurts me when you say such things "It makes me sad to see such wealth and opportunity being wasted on such an undeserving individual as yourself just because I don’t take your side. That’s a very vindictive and cruel thing to say when as I said before you do not know me, my organisation or my group so on what grounds do you have the right to be such an arsehole? My group, site, organisation have nothing to with racism or white supremacists considering I am part aboriginal, Japanese and Italian I mean how am I white in that sense? A part black, Asian wog who is a white power supporter? Honestly think about things before you say them because I am a human being, with feelings and hopes and dreams just like you. My group is not just my own anymore and it is also run by 5 other people, the website/organisation is also run by others who mind you come from all backgrounds including Muslims, Jews, Christians and atheists.

This is for women and children not for some man made conflict between men and more men who then disregard the women and children who get involved. Loosely throwing the term racist around is being just as bad as politicians who use PC to control the public which you should know very well considering PC was invented in America.

So in conclusion, I stand not for Israel/Palestine, not for Jews or Muslims, I am against racism in the sense of the actual term, and in which if you really knew me would see where you are so wrong. I think because you are so caught up in defending Palestinians you have said cruel things and judged a person you do not know based on their not agreeing with your side. I am on no ones side. All that is important here is the women and children of the world who suffer at the hands of men who can’t get over a scrap of land and have to fight each other for it. Most men need to grow up and stop fighting wars with fellow human beings. I mean for fuck sake we are all the fucking same!!! Whether black, white, yellow, pink, Muslim, Jew, atheist or whatever, what needs to stop is the crimes against each other, neither fucking side is right, there is no right side to be on, the moment one kills the other and the other retaliates both are in the wrong. Two wrongs do not make a right. So the Jews who kill are wrong, the Muslims who kill are wrong, this conflict is older than you and I. So what rights do we have to say shit all about this issue, you and I should just both get over it and support REAL ISSUES like the WOMEN AND CHILDREN who are suffering because of this BULLSHIT!!! So if you think I do not deserve to have the organisation I have setup and the support of thousands like RAWA then that is your opinion, but you are outnumbered and so is your opinion of a woman you do not know other then by a few comments of deviant art, I mean honestly think about that.

If you can not give up on your abuse towards me than I will block you on the basis your debates are personal attacks, if you stop bringing personal attacks into this and actually focus on the issue I will reply, but I am tired of your abuse of me, a woman you do not know, I do not need the personal attacks just because I disagree with you. Do not call a person names when you know NOTHING OF THEM. Stick to the FACTS, THE DEBATE, THE ISSUE. But the moment you start attacking ME AS A PERSON, no longer is the debate an intellectual one, it just becomes name calling in a school yard.

So reply without personal attack, be mature, stop assuming, it is really annoying when someone assumes so much, I do not assume who you are so don’t assume who I am. If you can not abide by these simple adult standards then I am no longer wasting my time speaking with you. This issue is not for you or me to take sides on, thousands of years these people have been through we can not fathom means we have no right to take sides. WE NEED TO STOP TAKING SIDES AND PLAYING THE BLAME GAME AND HELP ALL INNOCENTS INVOLVED IN THIS RELIGIOUS MAN MADE WAR! Both Muslim and Jewish women and children are suffering. It does not matter if one side has more, both are suffering, both sides hold innocents and both deserve help.

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BadNarrator In reply to IsabellaRose [2010-05-26 05:48:45 +0000 UTC]

tl;dr

Look, it was a lot of fun getting under your skin but this game is starting to get old. And honestly it's gotten way off topic.

I'm not here to argue about women's rights and what not because it has nothing to do with the Israeli Palestinian conflict.

I will however let you know that all of the information I have used is based on my notes and my work studying religion and social science in college, and yes I passed all my classes. If government documents, peer reviewed research papers and tenured college professors isn't as credible as wikipedia and youtube then there's not much left to say.

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jtlim In reply to BadNarrator [2010-05-24 00:44:28 +0000 UTC]

I understand, thanks mate.

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jtlim In reply to Geak-of-Nature [2010-05-21 17:41:37 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome friend ^__^

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jtlim In reply to ChikaraSama [2010-05-21 17:41:45 +0000 UTC]

you're welcome

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