rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-27 16:19:18 +0000 UTC]

Yess, and your point? Naruto didnt stop it, and even using a jutsu the old man couldn't either.

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-27 16:29:36 +0000 UTC]

Actually he did stop it, the first meteor but failed to stop the second one

And the point of all this is that you stated Madara wouldn't get any stronger. Guess your dead wrong about that

Also Naruto has only gotten started idiot.

Aizen never showed a feat close to what Madara did and neither has Ichigo and that meteor is far bigger than a Mountain.

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-27 16:36:26 +0000 UTC]

That was a jutsu that comes with the Rinnegan, so he hasnt gotten stronger as soon as he used those eyes it was a given he would have been able to do that, like the sage of the six paths.

"Also Naruto has only gotten started idiot."

Your right, he is all out of kyuubi chakra, and sage mode chakra, and yet he is just getting started.

"Aizen never showed a feat close to what Madara did and neither has Ichigo and that meteor is far bigger than a Mountain."

Ichigo changed the landscape with a swing of his sword, so every time he sung a mountain fell, if we compile all that into a single thing, it would at least be a city big meteor.

The fact still remains that until Naruto can stop huge ass meteor's from falling, until Naruto can take a hit that could create a crater in the ground larger than a city, until Ichigo can destroy mountains by simple swinging his fists, ICHIGO WOULD WIN.

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-27 16:53:54 +0000 UTC]

That was a jutsu that comes with the Rinnegan, so he hasnt gotten stronger as soon as he used those eyes it was a given he would have been able to do that, like the sage of the six paths"

Madara has the rinnegan retard. That's the eqaulient to the Hyoguku .


"Your right, he is all out of kyuubi chakra, and sage mode chakra, and yet he is just getting started"

Ever considered he'll recover and get back his powers? Geez you're an bigger idiot than i thought.

"Ichigo changed the landscape with a swing of his sword, so every time he sung a mountain fell, if we compile all that into a single thing, it would at least be a city big meteor"

The meteor is actually much lager than a city or mountain.[link]
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"until Ichigo can destroy mountains by simple swinging his fists, ICHIGO WOULD WIN."

Din;t you mean Naruto retard ? Also Naruto defeated the previous tuschikage which was even stronger than Onoki who stopped the meteor. That means Naruto is already on a level higher than mountain buster.

Also this chapter puts to rest the argument that Captains are stronger than kages. Unless a captain could stop a meteor, they are nowhere near eqaul.

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-27 17:03:33 +0000 UTC]

"Madara has the rinnegan retard. That's the eqaulient to the Hyoguku ."

The Hyoguku makes the wishes of ones heart come true, the Rinnegan is nothing near that.

"Ever considered he'll recover and get back his powers? Geez you're an bigger idiot than i thought."

You cant say he is just starting when he is out of energy, dumb fuck, thats what I was saying.

"The meteor is actually much lager than a city or mountain."

You totally missed what I meant. If we get every mountain Ichigo busted with a swing of his sword, and pile them on top of each other, that equals a city.

"Din;t you mean Naruto retard ? Also Naruto defeated the previous tuschikage which was even stronger than Onoki who stopped the meteor. That means Naruto is already on a level higher than mountain buster."

You are right, thank you. Naruto did not defeat Mu, if he did Mu wouldn't be standing next to Madara, retard.

"Also this chapter puts to rest the argument that Captains are stronger than kages. Unless a captain could stop a meteor, they are nowhere near eqaul."

equal*
Im not even going to argue the fact that he didnt stop it, that it took kage+kage+jutsu, dont change the subject dumb fuck. Ichigo owns Naruto

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-27 17:13:20 +0000 UTC]

"The Hyoguku makes the wishes of ones heart come true, the Rinnegan is nothing near that"

No it just gives you God powers in wish you can virtually manipulate reality to your own desire. That's nothing like the Hyoguku right ?

"You totally missed what I meant. If we get every mountain Ichigo busted with a swing of his sword, and pile them on top of each other, that equals a city "

Actually mountains are several miles in diameter and at least a mile high so one mountain is around the size of a city.Ichigo only leveled a few mountains .

"You are right, thank you. Naruto did not defeat Mu, if he did Mu wouldn't be standing next to Madara, retard"

Moron he overpowered mu, not killed him.Due to Edo tensei, Mu regenerated and is now under Madara's control.

"Im not even going to argue the fact that he didnt stop it, that it took kage+kage+jutsu, dont change the subject dumb fuck. Ichigo owns Naruto"

Okay that wasn't the argument, the argument was that no captain or rather even if all the captains (Excluding Yamamoto and the elder captains) were to use Bankai, they can't stop the meteor .

Also you must be an delusional retard to still think Naruto would lose when we haven't even seen the outcome of Madara vs Naruto and so far Madara seems to be more powerful than even Aizen which in turn would make Naruto even stronger than Ichigo when he beats him.

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-27 17:41:05 +0000 UTC]

"No it just gives you God powers in wish you can virtually manipulate reality to your own desire. That's nothing like the Hyoguku right ?"

Dude here is the definition from Bleach wiki: capable of dissolving the boundaries between Shinigami and Hollows, allowing one race to attain the powers of the other. However, its true power lies in its ability to sense the hearts of those around it, and to materialize their deepest desire.

does that sound like the rinnegan?

"Actually mountains are several miles in diameter and at least a mile high so one mountain is around the size of a city.Ichigo only leveled a few mountains ."

No, watch the fight again, every time he swings his sword a mountain blows up.

"Moron he overpowered mu, not killed him.Due to Edo tensei, Mu regenerated and is now under Madara's control."

Moron, he did not defeat Mu, he knocked Mu done, and Mu got back up.

"Okay that wasn't the argument, the argument was that no captain or rather even if all the captains (Excluding Yamamoto and the elder captains) were to use Bankai, they can't stop the meteor ."

Your kidding right? Sajin's bankai is a giant samurai, Byakuya's bankai is just like Gaara's sand, Sui Feng's bankai is a nuke, any of those three could have stopped them, well maybe not Byakuya he would probably just help.

"Also you must be an delusional retard to still think Naruto would lose when we haven't even seen the outcome of Madara vs Naruto and so far Madara seems to be more powerful than even Aizen which in turn would make Naruto even stronger than Ichigo when he beats him."

Dude stop looking ahead! We are saying at their peak of power, so Naruto and Kyuubi chakra, and Ichigo after Dangain trainging, and Ichigo would win.
And Aizen would still own Madara, without the Hyoguko, he would win.

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-27 17:53:14 +0000 UTC]

"Dude here is the definition from Bleach wiki: capable of dissolving the boundaries between Shinigami and Hollows, allowing one race to attain the powers of the other. However, its true power lies in its ability to sense the hearts of those around it, and to materialize their deepest desire."

The holder of Rinnegan can completely master all five basic nature .transformations that form the basis of ninjutsu. It was said that in times when the world is in disorder, a person is sent down from the heavens to become either a "God of Creation" who will calm the world, or a "Destroyer" who reduce everything to nothing. It also allows the user to use all of the six paths techniques, as well as the seventh path - that is "beyond life and death".

"Moron, he did not defeat Mu, he knocked Mu done, and Mu got back up"

He knocked down Mu and knocked him out for 3 chapters .That's a defeat given none of Mu's attacks hurt Naruto.

"Your kidding right? Sajin's bankai is a giant samurai, Byakuya's bankai is just like Gaara's sand, Sui Feng's bankai is a nuke, any of those three could have stopped them, well maybe not Byakuya he would probably just help"

Are you fucking retarded ? Sajin's Bankai is nowhere near that level of strength.Byakuya can't shield a city with Bankai and Soifon's blast can't even destroy FKT much less a meteor 10 times lager than FKT. There powers combined come nowhere near the power of one kage. Gaara could defeat all of them himself.

"Dude stop looking ahead! We are saying at their peak of power, so Naruto and Kyuubi chakra, and Ichigo after Dangain trainging, and Ichigo would win.
And Aizen would still own Madara without the Hyoguko, he would win"

Do you really think Aizen could stop a meteor 10 times the size of a mountain whereas he couldn't even stop a causal mountain buster like Ichigo with the Hoyguku ? Are you seriously this retarded.

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-27 17:58:23 +0000 UTC]

"The holder of Rinnegan can completely master all five basic nature .transformations that form the basis of ninjutsu. It was said that in times when the world is in disorder, a person is sent down from the heavens to become either a "God of Creation" who will calm the world, or a "Destroyer" who reduce everything to nothing. It also allows the user to use all of the six paths techniques, as well as the seventh path - that is "beyond life and death"."

If I had the Hyogoku I could simply desire to become a god of creation and I would, it makes desires come true, you dont have to train it like the Rinnegan, it just happens.

"He knocked down Mu and knocked him out for 3 chapters .That's a defeat given none of Mu's attacks hurt Naruto."

Mu got up and summoned Madara, which means Naruto did not defeat him.

"Are you fucking retarded ? Sajin's Bankai is nowhere near that level of strength.Byakuya can't shield a city with Bankai and Soifon's blast can't even destroy FKT much less a meteor 10 times lager than FKT. There powers combined come nowhere near the power of one kage. Gaara could defeat all of them himself."

Not arguing about this, get back on topic.

"Do you really think Aizen could stop a meteor 10 times the size of a mountain whereas he couldn't even stop a causal mountain buster like Ichigo with the Hoyguku ? Are you seriously this retarded."

Aizen could shoot a cero that would take out both the meteors, then use shikai, and now Madara is under complete hypnosis. Fight won, Aizen is the victor, so Aizen > Madara.
Ichigo > Naruto

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-27 18:12:19 +0000 UTC]

"If I had the Hyogoku I could simply desire to become a god of creation and I would, it makes desires come true, you dont have to train it like the Rinnegan, it just happens"

It's not unlocked by training. It's unlocked by fusing the power of the sharraigan with the cells of Senju. Also even if it did require training, it makes no real difference in power between Hyguouku and Riingean.

Mu got up and summoned Madara, which means Naruto did not defeat him "

It was kabuto controlling Mu who summoned them. Mu as a being was soundly defeated. Mu can't attack due to the spliting technique he used to escape sealing and recover form the damage Naruto inflicted on him.


"Not arguing about this, get back on topic"

What's a matter, can't disprove it ? You're unable to refute my claims so you're running like a little bitch, That's so typical of you. No captain can lift a city much less hurl one or stop a meteor the size of 10 cites

"Aizen could shoot a cero that would take out both the meteors "

His cero's are nowhere near the size to take out the meteors, the meteors are 10x the size of cites. He would need 10 blasts for each meteor and Madara could keep casually summoning meteors.

" use shikai, and now Madara is under complete hypnosis"

His shikai is useless against Madara. Madara his EMS. MS alone gives one immunity to genjustu or illusion based attacks and with the rinnegan, he's able to absorb any form of energy against him. Meaning that KS is completely useless against Madara.

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-28 00:25:17 +0000 UTC]

"It's not unlocked by training. It's unlocked by fusing the power of the sharraigan with the cells of Senju. Also even if it did require training, it makes no real difference in power between Hyguouku and Riingean."

Yess it does, can the Rinnegan instantly heal any wounds the user may have received? No, does the Rinnegan make the user so strong that all the kages combined might cannot defeat the user? No. The Hyogoku does.

"It was kabuto controlling Mu who summoned them. Mu as a being was soundly defeated. Mu can't attack due to the spliting technique he used to escape sealing and recover form the damage Naruto inflicted on him."

For Naruto to defeat Mu he would need to beat both bodies, which he has not done.

"What's a matter, can't disprove it ? You're unable to refute my claims so you're running like a little bitch, That's so typical of you. No captain can lift a city much less hurl one or stop a meteor the size of 10 cites"

No because your stupid little mind cannot accept things, like Sajins Bankai, the Bankai that is as tall as a skyscraper, would be able to stop it, but for some reason you dont believe this, so I am not arguing it. Get back on topic.

"His cero's are nowhere near the size to take out the meteors, the meteors are 10x the size of cites. He would need 10 blasts for each meteor and Madara could keep casually summoning meteors."

Look at what his Cero did against Ichigo, it would only take one to destroy one meteor, and break the other apart.

"His shikai is useless against Madara. Madara his EMS. MS alone gives one immunity to genjustu or illusion based attacks and with the rinnegan, he's able to absorb any form of energy against him. Meaning that KS is completely useless against Madara."

Dude, you are retarded, its complete hypnosis, never fails. It is not a genjutsu, it takes control of all five senses, it would be the equivalent of Tsukuyomi x 10, and Aizen doesnt use energy based attack, he uses his zanpakuto, and there isnt a damn thing Madara can do against a sword through his heart

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-28 00:40:54 +0000 UTC]

"Yess it does, can the Rinnegan instantly heal any wounds the user may have received? No, does the Rinnegan make the user so strong that all the kages combined might cannot defeat the user? No. The Hyogoku does"

Madara easily defeated two kages and stop equating Captains to Kages, there nowhere near eqaul to a Kage. Also Madara is in Edo Tensei form, he instantly regenerates and he has intangibility as well .

"For Naruto to defeat Mu he would need to beat both bodies, which he has not done "

Mu no longer has mind of his own and is now completely controlled by Kabuto fucktard. Also Naruto also defeated the Raikage without Kyuubi chakra.


"No because your stupid little mind cannot accept things, like Sajins Bankai, the Bankai that is as tall as a skyscraper, would be able to stop it, but for some reason you dont believe this, so I am not arguing it. Get back on topic"

Sajin being as large as a skyscraper doesn't eqaul a fucking meteor that is 1,000 times stronger and larger.


"Look at what his Cero did against Ichigo, it would only take one to destroy one meteor, and break the other apart."

No it won't the meteor itself is bigger than the cero's blast radius.

"Dude, you are retarded, its complete hypnosis, never fails. It is not a genjutsu, it takes control of all five senses"

That's what a Genjustu does you fucking retard. It controls all five senses. Also it doesn't work on people who have special visual condition's such as blind people like Tousen or powers slimair to KS.


"it would be the equivalent of Tsukuyomi x 10, and Aizen doesnt use energy based attack"

KS doesn't have the ability to warp time and space or control psychical and mental mass within tysumoki so KS is actually weaker than KS.

"he uses his zanpakuto, and there isnt a damn thing Madara can do against a sword through his heart"

Except one one fucking problem retard. Madara can't be touched due to intangibly and two he's already dead and just comes back with Edo Tensei so that fails .

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-28 00:57:30 +0000 UTC]

"Madara easily defeated two kages and stop equating Captains to Kages, there nowhere near eqaul to a Kage. Also Madara is in Edo Tensei form, he instantly regenerates and he has intangibility as well ."

Yess, but that is not because of the Rinnegan, so the Hyoguko is better, and they are no where near the same.

"Mu no longer has mind of his own and is now completely controlled by Kabuto fucktard. Also Naruto also defeated the Raikage without Kyuubi chakra."

Doesnt matter fucktard he did not defeat Mu.

"Sajin being as large as a skyscraper doesn't eqaul a fucking meteor that is 1,000 times stronger and larger."

You are a fucking retard, get back on topic.

"No it won't the meteor itself is bigger than the cero's blast radius."

Ichigo throw Aizen thousands of miles away from KT, and even from KT the explosion was 1,000 times bigger than the city. It would destroy at least one, and Aizen can easily shoot more.

"That's what a Genjustu does you fucking retard. It controls all five senses. Also it doesn't work on people who have special visual condition's such as blind people like Tousen or powers slimair to KS."

Is Madara blind? No, so why bring it up? And yess it does, Shinji's zanpakuto is a type of hypnosis, and Aizen's shikai still affected him.

"KS doesn't have the ability to warp time and space or control psychical and mental mass within tysumoki so KS is actually weaker than KS."

Yess, it wraps reality, Aizen switched places with Momo several times, it warped reality.

"Except one one fucking problem retard. Madara can't be touched due to intangibly and two he's already dead and just comes back with Edo Tensei so that fails ."

The guy in the mask isnt Madara!! So we have no clue whether or not Madara can go intangible, and Aizen could use a kido to seal him.

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-28 11:16:28 +0000 UTC]

"Yess, but that is not because of the Rinnegan, so the Hyoguko is better, and they are no where near the same"

Intangibility is his own power further enhance by rinnegan and the the rinnegan has the ability to control life and death

"Doesnt matter fucktard he did not defeat Mu "

So knocking him out 3 chapters doesn't count as a defeat ? By your shitty argument, Ichigo never defeated Byakuya or Kenpachi.

"You are a fucking retard, get back on topic "

The fact Captain's can't eqaul a Kage is part of the topic retard.Also you are butthurt because you have nothing to validate your argument that Captains >Kages.

"Ichigo throw Aizen thousands of miles away from KT, and even from KT the explosion was 1,000 times bigger than the city. It would destroy at least one, and Aizen can easily shoot more."

Okay he only threw him several miles,not thousands so quit bullshting . You're not fooling anyone, not even yourself and that explosion was nowhere near 1,000 x a city. If that was the case, it would be as big as the fucking Moon .

"Yess, it wraps reality, Aizen switched places with Momo several times, it warped reality"

That's not warping reailtiy retard, that's casting an illusion and using shunpo to switch places moron.It doesn't even compare to Izanagi .

"The guy in the mask isnt Madara!! So we have no clue whether or not Madara can go intangible, and Aizen could use a kido to seal him"

Madara could just counter with ninjjustu to escape the kido or simply dodge it

"Is Madara blind? No, so why bring it up? And yess it does, Shinji's zanpakuto is a type of hypnosis, and Aizen's shikai still affected him"

Dojustu and normal genjustu type attacks are very different.Dojustu like the sharrgian negate or gives one resistance to Genjustu whereas a normal genjustu doesn't grant such protection . Madara won't be affected by KS idiot due to special eye protection. Mentioning Tousen's blindness was a example of special eye protection.

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-28 15:41:27 +0000 UTC]

"Intangibility is his own power further enhance by rinnegan and the the rinnegan has the ability to control life and death"

Can it instantly heal wounds like the Hyogoku does?

"So knocking him out 3 chapters doesn't count as a defeat ? By your shitty argument, Ichigo never defeated Byakuya or Kenpachi."

A defeat would mean that those two characters never fought again. Naruto did not defeat Mu since they are still fighting. Ichigo beat Byakuya since they are now on the same team, get it.

"The fact Captain's can't eqaul a Kage is part of the topic retard.Also you are butthurt because you have nothing to validate your argument that Captains >Kages."

See, there you go again, blocking out facts. Either drop it or accept the fact that at least Sajin, and maybe Mayuri, in bankai could do what any kage does.

"Okay he only threw him several miles,not thousands so quit bullshting . You're not fooling anyone, not even yourself and that explosion was nowhere near 1,000 x a city. If that was the case, it would be as big as the fucking Moon ."

He threw him from a city to a mountain range, that is at least a thousand. and yess, it was, go what the fucking fight. [link]

"That's not warping reailtiy retard, that's casting an illusion and using shunpo to switch places moron."

Are you fucking retarded? He has a sword through him, attacks, gets killed and then its Momo, that's some crazy fucking Illusion and shunpo to get stabbed and still be able to use it, then when its over be in harmed.

"It doesn't even compare to Izanagi ."

Izanagi: takes your eye sight away
Complete Hypnosis: Doesnt do shit ti Aizen.

"Madara could just counter with ninjjustu to escape the kido or simply dodge it"

Ninjutsu*
No ninjutsu can block Kuyō Shibari, takes no incantation, and unless Madara has chakra levels higher than any of the kages put together, inescapable

"Dojustu and normal genjustu type attacks are very different.Dojustu like the sharrgian negate or gives one resistance to Genjustu whereas a normal genjustu doesn't grant such protection . Madara won't be affected by KS idiot due to special eye protection. Mentioning Tousen's blindness was a example of special eye protection."

Dude it wouldn't do shit against KS, as I said before it is the equivalent of tysumoki, it wouldnt matter if Madara hand special protection or not all it would take was one moment "Shatter" and Aizen has won

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-28 16:04:57 +0000 UTC]

"Can it instantly heal wounds like the Hyogoku does?"

That's not confirmed as of yet but it can bring back the dead repair all the damaged paths so i wouldn't doubt it can heal wounds.

"A defeat would mean that those two characters never fought again. Naruto did not defeat Mu since they are still fighting. Ichigo beat Byakuya since they are now on the same team, get it "
Naruto never fought Mu again either. Mu isn't fighting Naruto is he? He's not even really Mu anymore.Also Aizen kicked Ichigo's ass in SS arc yet Ichigo returned to kick his ass 300 chapters later.


"See, there you go again, blocking out facts. Either drop it or accept the fact that at least Sajin, and maybe Mayuri, in bankai could do what any kage does"

Okay then show me Sajin lifting an hurling back meteors. Also Mayuri is the weakest captain in strength, there's no fucking way he could stop meteors the size of islands. Please show me the manga chapter where Mayuri stopped a meteor with Sajin please.

"He threw him from a city to a mountain range, that is at least a thousand. and yess, it was, go what the fucking fight"

You're a moron ! That was several dozen, not thousand miles. If it was a thousand miles, he would be in Alaska and Ichigo's friends wouldn't be able to see the cero aizen fired.

"Are you fucking retarded? He has a sword through him, attacks, gets killed and then its Momo, that's some crazy fucking Illusion and shunpo to get stabbed and still be able to use it, then when its over be in harmed"

No idiot, he already tricked them from the beginning given they were already under KS . It's not the same thing as turning actual death into Illusion like Izangai does. Just watch the Sasuke vs Danzo fight to see what i'm talking.

"Izanagi: takes your eye sight away
Complete Hypnosis: Doesnt do shit ti Aizen "

But that's only because Izangai is far more powerful than KS. Iznagai allows the user to control their own state of existence. It basically wraps reality. Whenever the user receives a fatal injury, he or she automatically fades away as though they were an illusion all along and then returns back to reality, physically real and unscathed. KS only creates illusions,it comes nowhere near the power of Izangai.


"Dude it wouldn't do shit against KS, as I said before it is the equivalent of tysumoki, it wouldnt matter if Madara hand special protection or not all it would take was one moment "Shatter" and Aizen has won "

If Tysumoki is the fucking equivalent to KS, it won't work against Aizen and Aizen's KS won't do shit against Madara but the fact is that Tysumoki is actually superior to KS.


Tsyumoki alters the perception of time with ease within the genjutsu to make it seem to last for days when in fact it only lasts a few seconds in addition to creating Illusions whereas KS only does parlor trick illusions.

Also it's Had not " Hand " retard

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-28 16:26:10 +0000 UTC]

"That's not confirmed as of yet but it can bring back the dead repair all the damaged paths so i wouldn't doubt it can heal wounds."

When I see the Rinnegan instantly heal Madara from a wound that would other wise kill him, than Ill say they similar.

"Naruto never fought Mu again either. Mu isn't fighting Naruto is he? He's not even really Mu anymore.Also Aizen kicked Ichigo's ass in SS arc yet Ichigo returned to kick his ass 300 chapters later."

Doesnt matter, Mu is not sealed, and they still arnt on the same side.

"Okay then show me Sajin lifting an hurling back meteors. Also Mayuri is the weakest captain in strength, there's no fucking way he could stop meteors the size of islands. Please show me the manga chapter where Mayuri stopped a meteor with Sajin please."

Allow me to spell it out for you
Sajin: Sajin's Bankai follows all of his movement, correct? Sagin, alone, could lift Pow, who was the size of his bankai. So, let us that stength would be put into the samurai, and be changed to be appropriate to his size. Sagin > 4-story tall Pow, Giant Samurai > an island at least. Get it now?

and I agree Mayuri is one of the weaker ones, I have no idea why I brought him up.

"You're a moron ! That was several dozen, not thousand miles. If it was a thousand miles, he would be in Alaska and Ichigo's friends wouldn't be able to see the cero aizen fired."

They were in the soul society, dumb fuck.

"No idiot, he already tricked them from the beginning given they were already under KS . It's not the same thing as turning actual death into Illusion like Izangai does. Just watch the Sasuke vs Danzo fight to see what i'm talking."

No idiot, he fights back, Momo would have died right from the start, he fights back, gets fucked, and distorts reality to switch places with Momo.

"But that's only because Izangai is far more powerful than KS. Iznagai allows the user to control their own state of existence. It basically wraps reality. Whenever the user receives a fatal injury, he or she automatically fades away as though they were an illusion all along and then returns back to reality, physically real and unscathed. KS only creates illusions,it comes nowhere near the power of Izangai."

I already proved KS does, and Aizen can use it as much as he wants, even Madara can only use it twice.

"If Tysumoki is the fucking equivalent to KS, it won't work against Aizen and Aizen's KS won't do shit against Madara but the fact is that Tysumoki is actually superior to KS."

Dude you are fucking retarded. KS would trap Madara, would trap any of them, and they would be fucked, that is the situation of it.

"Tsyumoki alters the perception of time with ease within the genjutsu to make it seem to last for days when in fact it only lasts a few seconds in addition to creating Illusions whereas KS only does parlor trick illusions."

KS lasts at least 110 years because it affected the Vizards after their banishment. KS controls the five senses to the point that it can make the target misinterpret another person's form, shape, mass, feel and smell to be that of the enemy. Even if the target is aware that they are under the hypnosis, they cannot resist its influence.

If you are going to be a dick about it than you misspelled Ninjutsu, dumb fuck.

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-28 16:53:30 +0000 UTC]

"Doesnt matter, Mu is not sealed, and they still arnt on the same side."

But he's unable to fight retard, do you even know the definition of defeat is ?

"Allow me to spell it out for you
Sajin: Sajin's Bankai follows all of his movement, correct? Sagin, alone, could lift Pow, who was the size of his bankai. So, let us that stength would be put into the samurai, and be changed to be appropriate to his size. Sagin > 4-story tall Pow, Giant Samurai > an island at least. Get it now?"

Pow was 30 stories not 4 idiot and second an Island is miles in diameter. Sajin's Bankai is nowhere near that size and Sajin has never shown a feat close to Island busting and if he has please show me the manga chapter.

Also Mayuri is the weakest in strength, there isn't anyone who is weaker than him when it comes to brute strength out of all the captains.


"No idiot, he fights back, Momo would have died right from the start, he fights back, gets fucked, and distorts reality to switch places with Momo"

Switching places isn't the same as distorting reality. If that was the case, then every Naruto character is a reality warper given they switch places with objects all the time, it's called Substitution justu .

" already proved KS does, and Aizen can use it as much as he wants, even Madara can only use it twice"

No it doesn't you fucking retard, KS is nowhere near that power. Substitution and turning an actual injury into an illusion isn't the fucking same thing


"Dude you are fucking retarded. KS would trap Madara, would trap any of them, and they would be fucked, that is the situation of it "

KS would not affect Madara and even if it did, Madara's real self is already dead and can't be killed and the Fake Madara is intangible.

'KS lasts at least 110 years because it affected the Vizards after their banishment. KS controls the five senses to the point that it can make the target misinterpret another person's form, shape, mass, feel and smell to be that of the enemy. Even if the target is aware that they are under the hypnosis, they cannot resist its influence."

Still nothing compared to Tyusmoki where the victims mind is under complete control. Also any Genjustu manipulates all five senses, just a low level genjustu is eqaul to the effects of KS.

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-28 17:14:05 +0000 UTC]

"Pow was 30 stories not 4 idiot and second an Island is miles in diameter. Sajin's Bankai is nowhere near that size and Sajin has never shown a feat close to Island busting and if he has please show me the manga chapter."

Thats better for my argument, retard. If Sajin can lift something 4 times his size, than so can his bankai.

"Switching places isn't the same as distorting reality. If that was the case, then every Naruto character is a reality warper given they switch places with objects all the time, it's called Substitution justu ."

Are you a fucking moron? He gets stabbed, and fights back, gets stabbed again, gets one of his arms frozen, and only when his arm is frozen does he switch to Momo. Lets see one Naruto character do that.

"No it doesn't you fucking retard, KS is nowhere near that power. Substitution and turning an actual injury into an illusion isn't the fucking same thing"

He gets stabbed by Sui Feng's Shikai, twice! and still appears unscratched, and he didnt die. He turned a injury into nothing.

"KS would not affect Madara and even if it did, Madara's real self is already dead and can't be killed and the Fake Madara is intangible. "

I already explained this to you! Once caught by KS all Aizen would have to do at that point is use a kido.

"Still nothing compared to Tyusmoki where the victims mind is under complete control. Also any Genjustu manipulates all five senses, just a low level genjustu is eqaul to the effects of KS."

How many genjutsus last 110 years? How many can effect 21 people every time its used? How many can warp reality so that a normal fatal strike does nothing? Using KS is like using Izangai and Tyusmoki at the same time, for as long as you want, with no side effects.

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-28 17:36:57 +0000 UTC]

"Thats better for my argument, retard. If Sajin can lift something 4 times his size, than so can his bankai "

Okay Sajin's Bankai is 330 feet high. By that argument, he could only lift up to 1,320 foot objects, that's 2 city blocks . the meteor Madara summoned is miles in diameter. See how your math doesn't add up.

"Are you a fucking moron? He gets stabbed, and fights back, gets stabbed again, gets one of his arms frozen, and only when his arm is frozen does he switch to Momo. Lets see one Naruto character do that"

Moron they weren't stabbing Aizen, they were attacking an illusion and when Aizen was in trouble, he simply trolled them by using Shunpo to substitute Momo in his place. It's nowhere near reality warping . Also any Naruto character can substitute, they do it all the fucking time.

"He gets stabbed by Sui Feng's Shikai, twice! and still appears unscratched, and he didnt die. He turned a injury into nothing "

That's not nearly on the same level. Aizen didn't take a starch form her. Izangai takes a injury that's actually fatal and turns it into an illusion. Aizen's spiritual power protected him from the blow, it had nothing to do with KS.

"I already explained this to you! Once caught by KS all Aizen would have to do at that point is use a kido"

KS doesn't work on Madara dipshit.


"How many genjutsus last 110 years? How many can effect 21 people every time its used? How many can warp reality so that a normal fatal strike does nothing? Using KS is like using Izangai and Tyusmoki at the same time, for as long as you want, with no side effects."

1)Plenty actually , just look at Kunreai's genjustus, she could easily affect multiple opponents and she was merely fodder to Itachi. Tysumoki alone could affect anyone within visual range with their eyes open

2)Infinite Tysumoki, also no Naruto character could live 110 years and besides once in a genjustu, they would most likely die.Also tysumoki controls time and space making a second feel like 3 days. A full day under tysumkoi would be the eqaulivent of over 700 years .

3)Izangai, no bleach character could rival Izangai moron, not even KS..

4)No it's not. Aizen can't control time and space and is nowhere near reality warping without the Hyoguku

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-29 00:25:22 +0000 UTC]

"Moron they weren't stabbing Aizen, they were attacking an illusion and when Aizen was in trouble, he simply trolled them by using Shunpo to substitute Momo in his place. It's nowhere near reality warping . Also any Naruto character can substitute, they do it all the fucking time."

Moron, watch the fight, when all the captains fight Aizen, he fights back, not an illusion, they stab him, he over powers them. Like I said, only when his arm gets frozen by Tōshirō does he switch. Yeah, all Naruto characters can do that, but how many can get stabbed through the heart, and use substitution and keep fighting?

"That's not nearly on the same level. Aizen didn't take a starch form her. Izangai takes a injury that's actually fatal and turns it into an illusion. Aizen's spiritual power protected him from the blow, it had nothing to do with KS."

Yess he did! He got his twice, thats why the butterfly-looking mark gets on him, and that is a death hit, then he is fine, not even hurt.

"KS doesn't work on Madara dipshit."

Than none of Madara's jutsus would work on Aizen, and Aizen can instantly heal any would, and Aizen has Kido, and Aizen can use his transportation, and Aizen has more spiritual pressure then anything ever, which would mean more chakra than anything, ever.

"1)Plenty actually , just look at Kunreai's genjustus, she could easily affect multiple opponents and she was merely fodder to Itachi. Tysumoki alone could affect anyone within visual range with their eyes open

2)Infinite Tysumoki, also no Naruto character could live 110 years and besides once in a genjustu, they would most likely die.Also tysumoki controls time and space making a second feel like 3 days. A full day under tysumkoi would be the eqaulivent of over 700 years .

3)Izangai, no bleach character could rival Izangai moron, not even KS..

4)No it's not. Aizen can't control time and space and is nowhere near reality warping without the Hyoguku"

!) Ok show me that chapter where it showws her affecting more than 10 people.

2) But is there any genjutsu that only takes one time to get the targets mind under its influnce any time its used? Can Tysumoki affect one person, then 10 years later, when used on someone else, still affect the original person?

3) Your right, KS just controls all five sense, height, weight, wraps reality, basically makes one a god, but its nothing to Izanagai (If you cant tell, which I believe, I'm being sarcastic)

4) Yess it is, it bends reality and is a giant, huge, hypnosis, that no one, no matter how much spiritual pressure they have, can escape.

No back onto the main topic. Ichigo would kick Naruto's ass, plain in simple.

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-29 01:15:56 +0000 UTC]

"Moron, watch the fight, when all the captains fight Aizen, he fights back, not an illusion, they stab him, he over powers them. Like I said, only when his arm gets frozen by Tōshirō does he switch. Yeah, all Naruto characters can do that, but how many can get stabbed through the heart, and use substitution and keep fighting? "

*Faceplam * Aizen was never stabbed through the heart, Momo was. He used KS to escape the attack and switch places with her. Also many Ninjas get " Cut in Half " and still substitute either with clones or objects like logs.

"Yess he did! He got his twice, thats why the butterfly-looking mark gets on him, and that is a death hit, then he is fine, not even hurt "

It has nothing to do with Aizen warping realitiy. It's just him being much stronger than Soifon, it could also be the Hoyoguku's power helping as well. It only proves he's beyond captain level power, not a reality warper.


"Than none of Madara's jutsus would work on Aizen, and Aizen can instantly heal any would, and Aizen has Kido, and Aizen can use his transportation, and Aizen has more spiritual pressure then anything ever, which would mean more chakra than anything, ever."

This is all complete bullshit. Aizen would be trapped in tsyumoki which he can't regenerate from it or use Izangai to kill off Aizen. Madara has thousands of justus which is much more than fucking kido.Also when Aizen could summon meteors the size of the moon itself, then he has more power than Madara.


!) look at the chunin exams where Kabuto put thousands to sleep under a hypnosis genjustu within a stadium. Imagine Madara's level by comparison[link] Also still waiting for you to prove Sajin is a citybuster

2) Yes it can actually given in the most recent chapter Itachi was able to break free of Edo tensei from something recorded 8+ 10 years ago so it 's effects can last for years.

3) If that's the case then even Sakura can break out of it retard. All Genjustus control five senses, it's nothing exclusive to Aizen and the Shinobi world has many ways to counter simple illusions.[link]

4)No it doesn't. When has Aizen made anything from KS reality. It's just a clever illusion which still pales in comparison to Tsyumoki where time and space is distorted. Can KS make 72 hours into one second ? Can KS make Aizen virtually immortal and any fatal injury he gets a mere illusion ? No it can't. It comes nowhere close to doing so.

Also we already went over why your fucking wrong.

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-29 01:23:31 +0000 UTC]

Im done arguing with you until you get back on topic.

I have seen no proof Naruto could even get close to defeating Ichigo. That is the argument, either get back to it, or leave.

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-29 01:36:27 +0000 UTC]

Running away again ? Typical of a Bleachtard like you to run when you have no argument. Just admit i won and you have no real proof that Ichigo could beat Naruto.

I'm going to keep doing this to you everyweek a new feat is shown until it becomes obvious to even a moron like you that Naruto=Ichgio.

Izangai> Tysumoki > KS

Aizen=Madara

Kages >>>>>>Captains

Me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you

You're a moron who can't prove me wrong with facts or mangapages so being the butthurt bitch you are, you want to change the subject.

Go ahead and quit. You already lost this debate over 2 weeks ago and your now nothing more but a joke. Even other bleachtards laugh at the absurd stupidity you utter.

Ichigo in his current state from Bleach 470 would be assraped by Madara in 0.0001 seconds.

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-29 01:43:35 +0000 UTC]

I didnt change the subject, you did, because you were losing the main argument, then you call me a butthurt bitch? Hah, whatever floats your boat.

No feat has been shown that Naruto could be Ichigo, he has not busted any mountains, he has not caught a jutsu that made a mountain wide, several mountains deep crater, he hasnt beat someone no one else cant. When he does all of those, come get me, oh and dont say Pein, we only say Pein actually fight one other person besides Naruto, where as Aizen took on all 13 court gaurd captains+second seat+vizards. So again, when Naruto 1) busts a mountain with fists 2) beats the guy with the mask 3) catches a jutsu that would kill everybody than you can say Naruto = Ichigo, till than it will always be Ichigo > Naruto

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-29 01:52:12 +0000 UTC]

Funny you reuse the same shitty arguments that have already been debunked. You're a seriously delusional retard with a serious mental disorder.

Also your the one quitting when i already sent you proof of my arguments being true to fact , so yeah kinda makes you the butthurt bitch not me .

As for your whole stupid rehashed " Ichigo catches a mountain busting sword argument " Madara causally threw meteors bigger than mountains, imagine his full power and imagine how strong Naruto would be after defeating him. You are an even bigger moron that i thought to think Naruto won't beat Madara.

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-29 01:56:14 +0000 UTC]

"Madara this" "Madara that"
Whena re you going to say "Naruto has blah blah blah"? I mean come on, I dont keep saying the crazy shit Aizen did, like Aizen destroyed buildings just by getting close to them, killed normal people just by looking at them. I never said Naruto wouldn't beat him, Im saying to date Naruto has done nothing to get to Ichigo power level. Show me proof that he has, or shut up.

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-29 02:03:23 +0000 UTC]

Okay i will keep showing as time comes retard.

Also Madara fucking wasted thousands of powerful ninjas in a second, that's much more of a feat than killing normal humans.

My argument is that Naruto has the fucking capability to rival Ichigo in any form he takes given he now has control of Kyuubi chakra and you have to be a moron not to think that.

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-29 02:08:46 +0000 UTC]

Naruto is still below Ichigo, even with Kyuubi chakra.
All Ichigo has to do is sing his sword and Naruto is on his ass, then if he uses a Getsuga Tensho Naruto is fucked. Sure, for a while Naruto would hold his own, but in the end he would loss

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345rv5 In reply to rakaru [2011-10-29 02:12:35 +0000 UTC]

Are you retard. Current Ichigo can't even use Bankai. He's not even on par with Base Naruto much less Kyuubi Naruto.

Ichigo can't even defeat a weakass fullbringer much less two kages singlehandely who are much stronger than captains.

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rakaru In reply to 345rv5 [2011-10-29 02:15:06 +0000 UTC]

We are using Peak of power, do I have to say that in all of my replies? Peak of power Ichigo would own Naruto in 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 of a millisecond.

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