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[2006-03-03 09:55:05 +0000 UTC]
"Sam Gill"
(Australia)
# Statistics
Favourites: 74; Deviations: 65; Watchers: 19
Watching: 27; Pageviews: 5901; Comments Made: 683; Friends: 27
# Interests
Favorite visual artist: Stanley DonwoodFavorite movies: Many. Watching lots of Lynch lately...
Favorite bands / musical artists: Radiohead, Mogwai, Slint, Nick Drake at the moment.
Favorite writers: Orwell, William Blake, Naomi Klein
Other Interests: Photography, Music, Writing
# About me
Current Residence: Melbourne, AustraliaFavourite genre of music: Many.
Favourite photographer: Severin Koller, Trent Parke, Boogie.
# Comments
Comments: 126
hey just looking around your gallery, how are you? 
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thats always the case (thought i'd start one up here so you can read it). But we all know art is subjective so their artwork could actually be really good in a different persons view.....
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pshhh, I can still be a bastard
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did you get rid of that macro picture of the leaf??
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I did. I was hesitant to post as I wasn't so happy with it but others in my household were, but I just figured it wasn't really worth being a scrap after the critique
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but it was pretty harsh cirtique at that... you do go to school with sting-ray yeah?
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correct, I expect it from both of them
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oh, well as long as it is expected... anyway do you all go to the same school or something?
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Sting-ray, myself and JCDecaux do, and friendofships used to.
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wow, so art department must be the main part of your school?
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Well we're basically the only 'serious' photographers unfortunately. Thankfully we can rape the art resources as a result.
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if only it was like that at my school, all we have is ONE! darkroom with like.... 6 working enlargeres, and everyone at our school does art (thats a lie but a heap do) so we are always running out of chemicals, paper, and TIME!!
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OH believe me, idiots do photography, but hate it and waste paper and chems..
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you invite debate...yet when you hear something you don't like, you "hide" it...
well ... I hope you will take a breath and consider what I have written:
[link]
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For you're enjoyment, their now unhidden.
refer to my reply, you gallant crusader for peace you.
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I appreciate you stopping by, come back soon 
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The fact that you can copy and paste your pathetic opinion, (which as a rebuttal, is irrelevant to my original statement of reply) is to be pitied. While you claim to, "stop the HATE speech/art on dA and beyond" all that your 'efforts' are achieving is a huge amount of links to articles critical of leftist opinions. Good job mate, you've now joined the ranks of legions of trail-blazing fools before you, you incite the hatred that 'Islamofascists' (as you so eloquently put it) could only dream of.
In conclusion, you are both a rabid oxygen thief, and your opinions (*cough*newspaper articles*cough) are a complete waste of bandwith. The small amount of bandwith that you do choke up with your ramblings, should be reserved for more worthy items of interest, such as pictures of dogs with birthday hats, or charming prose on the subject of icelandic war veterans.
Do all of us Members at deviantart a favour, and take your fodder some place else (like a zionist forum) and leave us to actually discuss and submit art.
Thankyou for your time.
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You say you don't want to be directed to articles...because...um....you would rather read "opinions"...well here ya go...here are some opinions..(no membership required)
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There is no Muslim political organization, academic institution, media outlet, or government, of any appreciable size, anywhere in the world, which is moderate.
As I always say, I hope that someone can prove me wrong, because the implications of the above sentence are frightening and disgusting to ponder.
Read on now, as a columnist in Australia's largest daily newspaper recounts how what he thought was the community of "moderate" Muslims is now closing ranks around the Aussie Imam who has proclaimed that [link] women who are raped should be jailed for life.
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Excuses over. The disgraced mufti of Australia set Muslims a test last month and they failed.
That test couldn't have been easier: make Sheik Taj el-Din al-Hilaly pay for preaching that unveiled women invited rape.
Prove that Muslims can't be led by a man who says raped women must be "jailed for life". Prove we have nothing to fear from your faith.
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Of course I support any moderate Muslim organization. As I have stated previously, I am not against the Muslim faith, but against those who twist the Koran to suit their own radical agenda, and sadly; many of these fundamentalists are those who get the media spotlight, sending a negative message about Muslim people.
Please do not link me to Andrew Bolt. He is by far THE most deluded
'writer' that rag of a conservative paper employs. This is the same man who commented recently "It is cold outside, therefore global warming is just another lefty hoax." Spare me his ramblings. No-one in the muslim community supported al-Hilaly's comments, and fellow senior Cleric's moved for him to be dismissed (which I can't confirm has happened yet.) I agree that if there was a moderate body, the situation could have been averted immediately. The interesting point is that what you don't know, is that all over the media, Muslim leaders and members of the community DID in fact brandish their dismissal of these comments, so your 'test' is somewhat flawed.
In what country do you love, may I ask? Israel or the US?
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okay...now we can talk.......
i now what i see...and what i see is nothing...
I see there are 10,000 peacekeepers standing next to a Hezb'ALLAH flag this past summer screaming to end the intentional targetting of civilians by Israelis and read [link] βWe strongly condemn the continued targeting of civilians, particularly children,β said UNICEF Executive Director Ann M. Veneman in a statement released on the day of the attack (in Lebanon).
So, you ask...which country do I love...
I don't think in these terms...I think more realistic...which countries would I prefer to live...i.e. which countries are the most just and compassionate....
I haven't made up my mind...but I am clear where I don't want to live
and you......
if you had your choice, where would you live?
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In any case whether you live in Australia, Austria or Uzbekistan, you can't shut yourself off from the terrible things happening around us. My point is that I don't support exentuating those terrible things through military intervention.
You say that you know where you wouldn't want to live, which just reaffirms my point of view. We can't just see these nations as nations, but we need to think of the people within them, and the people who are dying in these situations. What you don't seem to understand is, regardless of whether I don't support the Bush administration, or the nations that follow its orders (such as my own), this doesn't mean that I'm instantly a 'smiley peacekeeper' who sides with the 'islamofascists'.
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YOu ARE a smiley peacekeeper, unless you stand up to ISLAMOFASCISM.
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And this is where the argument shall end. You are a deluded fool, this being a point I cannot reiterate enough. I have spelled it out for you countless times, one can stand up to radical islamic violence, without being a supporter of VIOLENT INTERVENTION, or for that matter any action or governments decided to take on our behalf.
I hope one day you meet an Iraqi citizen who has lost someone they love in this 'liberation' and 'stand' against 'islamofascism.' Make sure that you let them know that this is the only way, and that it is necessary. Then, for good measure, link them to an article from a treasured right-wing opinion journalist and brandish it as a validation for the death of their loved ones.
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to clarify, "In what country do you love, may I ask? Israel or the US?" should read "In what country do you LIVE, may I ask? Israel or the US?
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"As I always say, I hope that someone can prove me wrong"
well have you read this comment on the link you gave ?
The organization Demokratiske Muslimer in Denmark supports the full split between secular politics and religion. There is a canadian grassroot organization that is fairly moderate, disagree on almost any mainstreram islam ideas. There is a muslim gay organization in britain, but I do not know much about them.
Are not totalitarian islam infiltrate these organizations? I dont knoe, but if they are "ideologicaly clean", works with protection for their safety and don't sufer from any intern troubles I donΒ΄t see that there is a problem with these organizations.
The tremendeous problem is that government in most west countries support mainstream islam orginazations (which are critizized by the small moderat underground organizations) and not the real reformers. Te reformers should at least be encouraged morally and the mainstream not! Bu the big picture is the total lack of real moderate islam in official organizations, thats true!!! (...and alsp amitted as the truth by e.g. the danish Demokratiske muslimer, Irshad Manji and other threatened reformers.)
By Magnus Andersson, at Friday, November 03, 2006 12:56:56 AM
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Gonzale... you wrote
"now read again that very passage :
"The tremendeous problem is that government in most west countries support mainstream islam orginazations (which are critizized by the small moderate underground organizations) and not the real reformers. Te reformers should at least be encouraged morally and the mainstream not! Bu the big picture is the total lack of real moderate islam in official organizations, thats true!!!"
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i don't mean to be stupid...but what are you trying to say?
I gave a list of 6 people who are true "reform" Muslims who speak truth and stand with Israel...
How many more people can you list....?
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There are many people just like you...all smiley and pretty...who say the Islamists are "doing bad things" but they secretly look forward to a world without Jews.
They think when the Jews are wiped off the map...then their Christian support will mean something to spare their throats being slit ....
but...smiley face...it will mean nothing...
I suggest you go visit Bethleham now, before it too is wiped off the map........
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The Islamification of Palestine
Father Raymond J. De Souza, National Post
Published: Tuesday, February 20, 2007
It remains to be seen what was accomplished at the Fatah-Hamas summit held earlier this month. Yet one thing was made abundantly clear by the very fact of the meeting -- Palestinian Christians have new cause to worry about their religious liberty.
The feuding Palestinian parties met in the holy city of Mecca (Makkah), hosted by Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah. Mecca is an odd choice for a summit site, because non-Muslims are not permitted to enter the Islamic holy cities of Mecca and Medinah. There are checkpoints on the highways into the holy cities, at which non-Muslim motorists who may have missed the "Muslims Only" signs are advised not to go any further.
Media reports were remarkably silent on the question of holding the Palestinian summit in a city where Palestinian Christians -- a small minority, but historically active in Palestinian leadership -- are barred by law. Perhaps a waiver was given to allow non-Muslims to temporarily enter, perhaps not. Perhaps the Christians were hustled through the airport on diplomatic passports; perhaps they were whisked through in disguise. Perhaps they converted before the summit; or perhaps they were just left at home. In two weeks of heavy media coverage, I have not seen the issue addressed.
Perhaps it is now simply accepted that the Palestinian question is to be understood as an exclusively Islamic question. In the last year, I have written twice in these pages about the Islamification of Palestinian politics, as the cause has been transformed from a nationalist project to a religious one. The Mecca summit would seem to confirm that this is now quasiofficial policy.
"What is happening on the ground [in Gaza] serves only the enemies of the Arab-Islamic nation and, if it continues, it will deprive the Palestinian people of the fruits of their long heroic struggle to recover their national rights," King Abdullah said during his talks with Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas.
What precisely is the "Arab-Islamic" nation of which the King speaks? Does it include only those who are Arab and Muslim -- a "nation" that would exclude Egyptian Coptic Christians, Iraqi Chaldean Christians, as well as Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic Palestinians? Meeting in Mecca would suggest that in the "Arab-Islamic" nation, the Islamic bit is the more important, in which case one wonders what relationship Iranians, Pakistanis and Indonesians might have with this new nation.
But the principal question is for those Palestinian people who wish "to recover their national rights" as King Abdullah puts it. Are those national rights to be understood in Islamic terms? Is the long delayed Palestinian state to be an Islamic republic? And if Palestinian leaders feel comfortable meeting in cities where Christians are banned, what confidence can Christians worldwide have that our holy sites -- in Bethlehem and the Old City of Jerusalem -- would be safeguarded should they ever come under the jurisdiction of a Palestinian state?
The centuries-old presence of Christians in the "Arab-Islamic" world is dwindling. Where there were hundreds of thousands, there are now communities of only a few dozen families. Most dramatic of all, Bethlehem, once a majority- Christian city, is now three quarters Muslim. Christians increasingly feel like aliens among their own people, as Islamic identity dominates the national ties of Palestinian heritage. Meetings in Mecca will only confirm the fears of Palestinian Christians that there is little future for them in the "Arab-Islamic" nation.
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when i say that i support peace between israel and palestine, you say that i look forward to a world without jews ? why?
now tell me, do you like pies ?
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Hereβ¦I gave you this list beforeβ¦I will give it to you againβ¦.(it came from this video [link]
Ayaan Hirsi Ali , formerly a Dutch legislator and now in exile in the United States;
Irshad Manji the Canadian author;
Wafa Sultan , the Syrian in exile in the United States who made her phenomenal appearance on Al-Jazeera.
Magdi Allam , an Egyptian who is now a leading Italian journalist;
Naser Khader , a parliamentarian in Denmark;
Salim Mansur , a professor and author in Canada,
Irfan Al-Alawi , in Britain.
Conversely, if we do not stand with these individuals, but instead if we stand with those who would torment them, with the Islamists, with, someone like Yusuf al- Qaradawi we are then standing with those who justify suicide bombings and defend the most oppressive forms of Islamic practice.
Here is some of my own research I did on my heroesβ¦..
Arabs who stand with Israel
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Nonie Darwish
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Honest and in-depth analysis of current issues involving Mideast culture and politics from the perspective of a woman of Mideast descent. The point is not to criticize the religion of Islam, but rather to bring about understanding of the Mideast and encourage Arabs and Moslems to have open and mutually respectful dialogue without fear, oppression or retaliation. A religion is judged by the behaviour of the people who practice it. It is up to Moslem/Arab people to seek either International respect or International fear of their Religion. There is a lot of silence from Arab/Moselms after 9/11 and little outrage. Ms. Darwish is not ashamed to express her disappointment and anger over what happened by the very culture she grew up in. This is not disloyalty but love for her culture of origin. She realizes that many in the Mideast and Moslems in America need to do much honest soul-searching. Many need to recognize the magnitude of the horrific events of 9/11, and cease the denial of Arab/Muslim responsibility. Ms. Darwish cherishes her Mideast background but she will defend America and its Constitution as all US citizens should. She takes her pledge of allegiance to the US flag seriously. Nonie Darwish is a writer, former editor and translator. She was born and raised in the Middle East and lived in the USA for over two decades. She is married with 3 children.
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Brigitte Gabriel
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Speaking as a native Arab and a professional journalist, Brigitte Gabriel offers a first hand account of her personal experiences in the opening salvos of Islamic Jihad towards the Western world in the Middle East.
Ms. Gabriel grew up in South Lebanon as the only child of a retired Christian governing administrator of the region and a successful businessman. Her Arabic society, culture and media taught her that Israel and Jews were the devil. As she turned 10, war broke out pitting the combined forces of militant Moslems and Palestinians against the Christian Lebanese.
In the Lebanon Civil War, Ms. Gabriel found herself in the first attack, beyond the Arab/Israel conflict, of Islamic Jihad against non-Moslems and the West. A barrage of Moslem rockets exploded in her house leaving her wounded and buried under the rubble. Her family lost everything and was forced to live the next seven years in an underground bomb shelter with little food, water or electricity.
In 1982 Ms. Gabrielβs mother became seriously wounded; Israel was the only place to go for medical attention. For her mother, the trip to a hospital in Israel was a life-saving experience. For Brigitte it was a life changing-experience. She saw the Israelis demonstrate respect, humanity, compassion and generosity that she didnβt know existed beyond her immediate family.
Ms. Gabriel realized she had been fed nothing but a fabricated lie for years by her government about the Jews and the Israeli people. She had to return to Lebanon to take care of her elderly parents but vowed that one day she would return to Israel. Brigitte kept that promise and more when she returned to Israel two years later and started working in Jerusalem as a journalist.
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Irshad Manji
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The Trouble with Islam Today is an open letter from me, a Muslim voice of reform, to concerned citizens worldwide -- Muslim and not. It's about why my faith community needs to come to terms with the diversity of ideas, beliefs and people in our universe, and why non-Muslims have a pivotal role in helping us get there.
The themes I'm exploring with the utmost honesty include:
the inferior treatment of women in Islam;
the Jew-bashing that so many Muslims persistently engage in; and
the continuing scourge of slavery in countries ruled by Islamic regimes.
I appreciate that every faith has its share of literalists. Christians have their Evangelicals. Jews have the ultra-Orthodox. For God's sake, even Buddhists have fundamentalists.
But what this book hammers home is that only in Islam is literalism mainstream. Which means that when abuse happens under the banner of Islam, most Muslims have no clue how to dissent, debate, revise or reform.
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Wafa Sultan
Video:
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Wafa Sultan: The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but competeβ¦.
Host: I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the
West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims?
Wafa Sultan: Yes, that is what I meanβ¦.
Host: Who came up with the concept of a clash of civilizations? Was it not Samuel Huntington? It was not Bin Laden. I would like to discuss this issue, if you don't mind...
Wafa Sultan: The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: "I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger." When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war. In order to start this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and curricula, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the infidels.
New York Times article about Wafaβs interview:
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Walid Shoebat
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Video interview: Your morning β CN8 New Jersey
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Youssef M. Ibrahim
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To my Arab brothers: The War with Israel Is Over β and they won. Now let's finally move forward
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now read again that very passage :
"The tremendeous problem is that government in most west countries support mainstream islam orginazations (which are critizized by the small moderate underground organizations) and not the real reformers. Te reformers should at least be encouraged morally and the mainstream not! Bu the big picture is the total lack of real moderate islam in official organizations, thats true!!!"
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i have no doubt you enjoy your sense of wit... but your stupid insults mean nothing.
From my eyes there is an evil in this world ...ISLMOFASCISM and you want to continue to ignore, sidestep, whitewash or opologize these terrorist acts because you enjoy being the ohhhh soooo coooool smiley peacekeeper...
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The problem I face, is that your constant barrage of foolishness only validates my 'stupid insults.' I do not want to sidestep, or ignore any objection toward ANY RADICAL MOVEMENT which harms the lives of those who are not affiliated with the said organization. That said, the current solution that our respected government bodies have chosen to use is that of combat, and military deployment in the Middle East. As you can see, for the past 3 years this solution in practice, has caused the needless deaths of not only thousands upon thousands of innocent citizens of the nation of Iraq (and surrounding areas harmed by insurgency) but also the Coalition soldiers who have been sent there under an invalid cause.
In summary, I support stopping any radical organization (religious or non-religious) if it is harming the lives of innocent people. That said, the current SOLUTION to stopping radical violence, is only furthering this deaths and eventuating the violence. Surely you can see this, most especially from you position, that affirmative combat isn't solving anything.
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excuse me ...
you say ~samthemute ~...you write Surely you can see this, most especially from you position, that affirmative combat isn't solving anything.
What assumption are you making about me and my position?
I agree with this ...
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Thank God for Moral Violence
By Dennis Prager
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 5, 2006
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do you have some answers as to what should be done after a country is attacked by planes used as bombs?
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Well the entire middle eastern campaign has been such a fucking success for the US, so why don't you try to explain the advantages that we can see so far?
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I will ask again...
do you have some answers as to what should be done after a country is attacked by planes used as bombs?
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I have no answers, hence the fact that I am not in office, or running a country. That DOES NOT mean, that by default I must support whatever our governments choose to do, you blinded buffoon. For all our sakes, build a little shed in an empty field somewhere, make a computer out of your physical compassion, then send links to people who don't exist. At this point, realize that these imaginary folks care as much about what you think as those on this ART COMMUNITY WEBSITE, and wake up to your own deluded self-righteousness.
Your are now blocked, as clearly you are the kind of idealogical imbecile who can't take 'I don't support violent intervention in any form' as an answer.
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