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Godzilla278 In reply to DarthWill3 [2019-10-30 18:31:00 +0000 UTC]

No it nightmare doing Frame Celestia

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bruiser128 In reply to watcher25 [2016-02-19 15:32:01 +0000 UTC]

Couldn't have written it better myself.

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watcher25 In reply to bruiser128 [2016-02-22 07:30:48 +0000 UTC]

Well thank you

However- emphasis on how Shimmer is the closest one to realize this

The show would try to tell you otherwise

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bruiser128 In reply to watcher25 [2016-02-22 12:37:20 +0000 UTC]

Although I will be honest in thinking that Sunset made for a terrible villain.

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watcher25 In reply to bruiser128 [2016-03-07 05:43:00 +0000 UTC]

Could have been better

Could have been more relatable

Could have been made wiser

Could have been the biggest heart as a prodigal, enough to see even the latent mistake of her would be Savior ...

How hard is it to realize that a title and Good Samaritan are never the same thing and for a very concret reason

one who sought power only to be proven vain would be the most damming of any initiative in word and proof... Especially under rediculous pretense like destiny

What is to say sunset didn't come to belittle ponies for their self invalidating careless exaggerations and adherence to them? Such as the example we get from Rairity and rainbow dash's cutie mark stories? Exaggerated myth and careless ego.

And celestia does zilch but to bend and profit from it while concurrently holding the ecosystem at stake in the process ... Quite a convientnt leverage point isn't it?

Not to mention all princesses suffer from victory syndrome and crumble where the answer is particularly vauge or painful especially on the personal level

Once is a fluke twice is a coincidence three times is a pattern

Heroic negligence breeds villainous justice

That sums up mlp's characters and many other fictitious and historical takes alike the virtuous and vices

You can't play the game and pretend the consequences don't reach long and far

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bruiser128 In reply to watcher25 [2016-03-07 10:08:28 +0000 UTC]

For me I also saw Sunset as someone who wanted to control where her life went. Celestia was just being a naive control freak who could NEVER learn from her mistakes.


Also it is hard to understand what you are trying to get across, because of the vocabulary you use. 

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watcher25 In reply to bruiser128 [2016-03-08 06:45:52 +0000 UTC]

Sorry,

Shimmer could have learned that power persuit is like you said- a naive attempt to jealously control what doesn't have to be controlled

Thus there is no "should" for such control- thus there is no destiney, and such ideas are not needed

This in turn could have opened her eyes to the same problems in celestia and all her ilk that lead to problems including shimmer's rebellion

Negligence from heroic things breeds justice from a villainous source - pretty non substantial myths help motivate the creation of self
Defeating concrete things

Shimmer could have become enlightened beyond her would be saviors by seeing her own self absorbed ignorance reflected in Equestrian status quo leaders and conscripts from their relative philosophy of dues ex machina being beyond question and predetermined just because they say and believe the integration of friendship makes it so- along with complete capitulation to the non sentient demands of the elements of harmony ... Along with the woeful attitude of "win = right"

She could have brought to alignment that friendship is never about power, though the princesses with everything to lose would obviously disagree, and the elements would just find new hosts to puppeteer, and when you say that friendship is magic- it might make power available, but that is not the Magic the phrase refers to, but rather what wonderful things it allows to happen with virtually nothing at all-

That friendship makes it possible for a dark age mideval style of life to be complete paradise in of itself honest and sincere - all the little things are a blessing- complete satisfaction

Not bullshit after the fact that events are excuses for self entitled delusion to rule everyone's heart and mind through tribal group mentality

Shimmer could be the one to see how friendship is used either intentionally or unintentionally that the virtues of friendship are a means to yoke ponies into fodder for the status quo- whether or not the status quo can repel the hazards of the Equestria world

We didn't really apriciate the show because of hierarchal power plays did we?

Shimmer could have been the voice that confirms "No, because that would be wrong."

As for the example of villainy- she could have been the villain that shows a would be princess that titles are just illusions to fool others and they are very inappropriate especially in the case of actual family like friendship

Or she could have been the villain that shows a deeper problem with Equestria- a universal danger or rot that Shows how ignorance is at play in some of the worst ways simply because ponies can't be bothered to care about it.

Or an actual villain that is a thorn in the princess delusion that makes it impossible to simply continence away or outright defeat reality

Any of theses would have been an improvement, and would add more along with the prodical repentance - how negative emotions were a volitle by product of reasonable disgust with a problem

Besides, power and titles never made a destined hero anyway .... And they won't either

Is what shimmer could have shown

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bruiser128 In reply to watcher25 [2016-03-08 15:02:42 +0000 UTC]

Yeah.

Believing your life is controlled by destiny is an unhealthy to borderline dangerous way to live your life, which is exemplified in Cutie Marks since you are bound to only one true talent in life. 

To be honest I like the idea of Sunset stopping herself from becoming part of the warped status quo created by Celestia, and being labeled a villain because of it is quite an interesting concept. This revelation with evidence to back it would definitely shake Twilight's values to their very core if faced with such a reiteration of Sunset Shimmer.

I also agree with what you say about the original meaning of "the magic of friendship" has been lost, could also apply to modern media with all that nakama crap they use in anime. 

For me I was thinking of Sunset starting out like in the first Equestria Girls film, but quickly changing her ways after she realizes that she is becoming no better than her parents.

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watcher25 In reply to bruiser128 [2016-03-09 06:37:36 +0000 UTC]

Good on you brother.

Very good on you

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bruiser128 In reply to watcher25 [2016-03-09 11:30:28 +0000 UTC]

What can I say I notice these things.

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0Bluse In reply to RobertKang12415 [2014-12-21 14:00:15 +0000 UTC]

탐욕에 눈을뜬 선셋 ㅎㅎ

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lpallad In reply to LanceOmikron [2015-01-01 02:47:56 +0000 UTC]

Well, in that comic there had in fact have shown us the potential of Sunset Shimmer as villain, but they have shown also her potential as a hero, because we have discover that she could have become princess if she opened her heart to friendship and learned humility. And knowing she did this in the end of first Equestria girls, this made us want more intensely an her return in the future (and we got in rainbow rocks).

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LanceOmikron In reply to lpallad [2015-01-07 08:52:24 +0000 UTC]

Having potential as a hero increases one's villain potential exponentially. Just ask Darth Vader! ^_^

That said, I do genuinely like the heroic character that Sunset evolved into in Rainbow Rocks. Definitely a major improvement over her state in EqG1. I'll just always hold a torch for the epic villain she could have been.

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0Bluse In reply to LanceOmikron [2014-12-21 13:59:57 +0000 UTC]

i also LUV "The Fall of Sunset Shimmer comic"~
character of Sunset is getting better, I was more like a sunset
after all, we'll always remember past Sunset~

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