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AdamWithers — Avengers-Justice League Duo
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(Download for the Full-Size!)A side-by-side comparison of my Justice League and Avengers pieces. The JL one was done in 2010, and the Avengers designed to match it in 2011.
You can see the full-size pieces here:
My heart wants to say the League would win this fight hands-down, but it's a pretty good match. Could go either way.
Though I DEFINITELY want to read a Power Girl/She-Hulk buddy book where the girls have a road trip of epic proportions. Mothers lock up your sons!
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Problem ... I see Ant-Man and the "Atom", but where is the = to Wasp? #Imnotseeingit
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On the Marvel side, who is that behind She-Hulk and Scarlet Witch?
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Wonder Man. He's a little more obscure now, I guess, but he was a big part of the Avengers for decades.
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Oh, well that's a goofy name.
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No more goofy than "Captain America" or "Ms. Marvel."
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What, you *don't* think the name Captain America is a little on the nose? They all have silly names. They're comic book characters!
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It's fitting for the time period. And yes getting used to calling someone Martian manhunter, or She-Hulk can be very difficult.
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Precisely my point. I mean, we have a WONDER WOMAN for Christ's sake! It's not *that* ludicrous. Also, I'm pretty sure Wonder Man is a pretty old character, as well. They weren't exactly inventive when it came to names, back then.
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I can identify all of them except for the metal guy in DC and the girl in white cape
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The metal guy is Steel. The girl in white is Power Girl
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Okay, here's how a Marvel/DC movie should go--IMO.
Loki teams up with Lex Luthor and the Joker. Tony Stark--who already knows about Batman's secret identity--goes to tell Bruce Wayne what's up and that the Avengers and Justice League need to team up.
It'd also include the following moments:
Iron Man fighting off the Joker's minions and saying the line "Anyone got an ID on these jokers?" The Joker--played by Mark Hamill--just replies "Someone say my name?"
Bruce Wayne vs Tony Stark in a battle of the basement lairs.
The Hulk taking on Bane.
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I kinda see the Justice League and Avengers as two different entities. The Avengers are heroes pretty much working for S.H.I.E.L.D., possibly unknowingly formed to keep the non-affiliated Justice League in check.
Something could happen that causes the Avengers to take on the Justice League one-on-one.
Iron Man could deduce Batman's identity from recognizing the equipment he uses, after visiting Wayne Enterprises earlier in the story.
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If they fought each other...JLA. The Green Lantern can do most anything, Superman and the Martian Manhunter have enough high-tier minimally-restricted powers to potentially win the fight on their own, Power Girl presumably has most Supe's powers, the Flash is stupidly fast (more useful than most people realize), and Batman is canonically prepared for everything. The Avengers are much more restrained, which is part of why I generally like Marvel more.
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I'll remind you that the Avengers (and Marvel in general) include god-tier characters aplenty. Thor is a literal god, Hercules a demigod, and any one of their cosmic characters could easily go toe-to-toe with equivalents in DC. Wolverine has stood at ground zero of a nuclear blast and his skeleton got up and kept fighting. Ugh. The idea that Marvel characters are less powerful than DC as some kind of flat rule is a myth.
That said, Marvel has tended to be much better written across the board for the last 15-20 years, so I can definitely see how they draw more ardent fans. If DC had half the writing talent and editorial vision Marvel does, it would be a drastically different picture today. I might even still be reading their comics.
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Have you tried reading DC rebirth or The court of owls saga?
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I enjoyed Court of Owls, but haven't been interested in getting back into DC in a serious way since I quit them after Infinite Crisis.
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You should read Flashpoint dude.
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Tried it, didn't like it. Modern DC isn't really for me.
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Did you like the concept at least?
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"God-tier" is a meaningless term when comparing settings. Some gods are omnipotent, some barely competent.
Wolverine can survive nuclear weapons. Superman can survive supernovae. It's not that Marvel heroes are weak, it's that the top tier at DC are extremely powerful.
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I'm referring more to the idea that Marvel characters are more "down to earth" and vulnerable than DC, which isn't really true. They can come across as more human sometimes, maybe, but that's just because of good writing - an area DC consistently lags behind. With a proper writer who cares enough and has the talent, DC characters are every bit as human and relatable as Marvel's.
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What, both can't be true?
I think we can both agree that Marvel doesn't have as many completely broken heroes as Clark "New Powers as the Plot Demands" Kent.
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I don't know that I agree with your premise. Some dumb storylines aside, I wouldn't call Superman "broken." He has a lot of power, sure, but no more than Thor in most respects. If the god of thunder can be challenged and tested, can work alongside mortal heroes like Cap and Iron Man (who is pretty impossibly powerful and given to developing new powers - excuse me, armor - whenever the plot demands), then there's nothing about Superman that's too over-the-top to work just fine.
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First off, the phrase "god of thunder" is basically meaningless. Thor's divine status isn't meaningful—what matters is the strength and other abilities that divinity grants. On the whole, they're more limited and well-defined than Superman's abilities. The same is true of Iron Man, who can't build a suit of armor strong enough to move planets, tough enough to endure supernovae, or equipped with a ray that turns stone into gelatin. Marvel obviously isn't a perfect example of well-defined, properly-limited powers, but on the whole it does better than DC.
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All your examples are over 40 years old. A lot changed since the Silver Age, and it isn't fair to hold these characters hostage to standards that haven't been applicable since the Carter administration. I mean, Marvel did a boat-load of truly ridiculous things back then too, they just get forgiven more easily because those things didn't become memes. Also, because their characters never starred in a show that had the national penetration of The Super Friends until after a time when kids' cartoons had matured and left that kind of silliness behind. People don't associate the Thing with an awkward geek that could put two rings together and turn into a rock-covered superhero (which was a thing that happened), but they still think The Super Friends was some kind of accurate representation of modern DC comics.
I should probably just let it go. Marvel people will never give DC the kind of fair shake it deserves on this topic, and will never accept that their side is just as rough. The court of public opinion has spoken, and the facts seem to have lost. I'd care more if I still gave enough of a damn about DC and their characters, but they've taken such a dive in the last 15 years that it just isn't worth it anymore.
Sorry for derailing. Enjoy your comics.
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I'm pretty sure post-Silver-Age Superman has still achieved planetary-scale feats.
Another thing to consider is that DC has more of those over-the-top heroes than Marvel. DC has Superman, Green Lantern, the Martian Manhunter, the Flash (even if he's not using quantum tunneling or time travel anymore), and Batman (by way of improbable levels of contingency plans) in its most central lineup; the only core Justice League members without such broken powersets are Aquaman and Wonder Woman. On the other hand, the only arguable contenders out of Marvel's A-listers are...Jean Gray as the Dark Phoenix and Thor, one each from the X-Men and the Avengers (which each have an A-list around the size of the JLA's A-list), with other major characters like Spider-Man and the F4 nowhere close.
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Hulk, Silver Surfer, Hercules, Sentry, Black Bolt, Vulcan, Scarlet Witch, Captain Marvel (both Mar-Vel, Genis, and Carol), Gladiator, Quasar, Hyperion, and that's just off the top of my head. Marvel has bucket-loads of insanely powerful characters. Phoenix? There's nothing arguable about the power to destroy solar systems. Thor has moved planets, held moons together, stopped a tsunami by throwing his hammer at it, caused storms that consumed planets, and dented Silver Surfer's head with a headbutt. Iron Man is listed as being able to toss 100 tons around, has tanked bombs that melted vibranium, and develops new tech for every situation in ways that match Batman for "improbable levels of contingency plans." So I don't see this as nearly so cut-and-dried as Marvel fans like to think it is.
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Most of those are incredibly powerful by the standards of most fictional universes, but nowhere near the top tier of the Marvel and DC universes.
The 100 tons you cite is nothing. You can't even lift most ships with that. If your powers are just brute strength, you need to at least move planets to be near the same tier as the likes of the Flash and the Martian Manhunter. And Batman's absurd power doesn't stem from his gadgets—it stems from his cinematic (to put it lightly) levels of training and preparedness.
It's not cut-and-dry, but it is a trend.
I'll grant that Marvel has more cosmic-scale villains. Which is kind of interesting, considering the above-mentioned trend.
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Everybody: We are here to stop the Hulk from eating all the food.
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Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I love this! The detail is incredible; the entire thing is just stunning. I also thought you should know that an article at whatculture.com is using this image. I hope they asked your permission to use it, but just in case they didn't, here's the article: whatculture.com/film/5-reasons… . I'm not sure what the rules are about this sort of thing, but I thought you should know where your artwork is being used.
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Thanks for the heads-up. I appreciate the compliments and the warning. I'll look into what's happening and see what needs to be done.
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My favorite part is how they mirror each other.
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